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49 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Won't this be limited to be cuts to benefits that aren't covered by traditional Medicare in the first place?

That is correct but seniors won't see it that way.  They have been on those plans and getting those benefits and when their benefits get worse, they will blame somebody.  The somebody will be Biden and the right will make sure they know who to blame.

 

 

46 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Isn’t it pretty easy to just reply with all the clips of the GOP and Trump talking about how easy it will be to cut Medicare and SS?

I would say the difference is one is talking about taking their benefits and the other is a real-world experience they will be having.  Big difference.

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Even as bad as Joe looked and debated, Trump’s performance just convinced a lot of people that they don’t want Trump’s lies and insane behavior back in the White House. Sure I wish Joe had done better but Trump was just as bad with his crazy statements and made up comments. 

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8 minutes ago, Brandywine said:

Even as bad as Joe looked and debated, Trump’s performance just convinced a lot of people that they don’t want Trump’s lies and insane behavior back in the White House. Sure I wish Joe had done better but Trump was just as bad with his crazy statements and made up comments. 

You know, we hear him say "I won two golf championships", and just kind of roll our eyes like oh here he goes again. To the average person, to hear a fat elderly man say that he won two golf championships recently, hopefully that hits their ear as absolutely fucking insane. Like North Korea propaganda insane.

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4 hours ago, horncyclist said:

Isn't it pretty common for people facing mental decline to have good days and bad? The problem is he's likely having days like the debate with some regularity. It doesn't matter if he's fine sometimes. The presidency --and campaigning for it--isnt a sometimes job. He needs to step aside in the next week and let a process play out to identify who beats Trump in November.

It is, but moreso when they're facing an abrupt decline like dementia.  We all have good or bad days.

If it is true that Biden had a cold, that alone could have ruined his day in a way that younger folks wouldn't experience.  And, if he took cold meds, that too could explain some stuff, alone, also.  One might think it pretty unwise to dope up on Nyquil or whatever, but if you're coughing and snotty, maybe you need something.

I really rather doubt Biden is on any kind of stimulants or anything for acuity purposes, but other, more common-or-garden drugs might have played a role if he was fighting a cold.

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You know, we hear him say "I won two golf championships", and just kind of roll our eyes like oh here he goes again. To the average person, to hear a fat elderly man say that he won two golf championships recently, hopefully that hits their ear as absolutely fucking insane. Like North Korea propaganda insane.

In light of hearing about all these club championships he’s supposedly won, I decided to see if I could see some of his scores from the Tahoe celebrity tournament. In 2006, he finished 62nd out of 80 (and lasted 30 seconds with a pron star).

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In light of hearing about all these club championships he’s supposedly won, I decided to see if I could see some of his scores from the Tahoe celebrity tournament. In 2006, he finished 62nd out of 80 (and lasted 30 seconds with a pron star).

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He was T56 in 2004 and 42nd in 2005.
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They keep boasting about those Black poll numbers and I keep saying it’s fake. Then they go and do stuff like this. keep using Blacks as pawns, I dare you

 

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16 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Rigged.

Quite literally. Every one of his claimed “championships” is from one of his own clubs where he doesn’t actually compete. He just submits a fraudulent score and declares himself the winner. His golf game is less authentic than professional wrestling. 

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They keep boasting about those Black poll numbers and u keep saying it’s fake. Then they go and do stuff like this. keep using Blacks as pawns, I dare you
 

Well, yeah…duh…that’s what black people are for: to be used and cast aside.
You know, like personal property.
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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

It is, but moreso when they're facing an abrupt decline like dementia.  We all have good or bad days.

If it is true that Biden had a cold, that alone could have ruined his day in a way that younger folks wouldn't experience.  And, if he took cold meds, that too could explain some stuff, alone, also.  One might think it pretty unwise to dope up on Nyquil or whatever, but if you're coughing and snotty, maybe you need something.

I really rather doubt Biden is on any kind of stimulants or anything for acuity purposes, but other, more common-or-garden drugs might have played a role if he was fighting a cold.

Or .. we have candidates that are old as shit. And one of them is a criminal and traitor. 

 

Of course the Idiocracy era of Americans are too stupid to realize a comatose Biden is a better candidate to vote for than a criminal and traitorous trump

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Quite literally. Every one of his claimed “championships” is from one of his own clubs where he doesn’t actually compete. He just submits a fraudulent score and declares himself the winner. His golf game is less authentic than professional wrestling. 

It’s been posted here before but he calls in and asks what the low score was. When they say 75 or whatever, he says “ok then I shot 74. I’ll send someone to come get my trophy.”

It’s too bad the democrats don’t have a candidate who could say tell a story like that on the biggest stage when Trump starts lying about winning championships.
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Is it a little too morbid to do a 1 more year chant for Joe instead of 4?

joe not finishing a second term could have lasting effects, some of which are good or needed.  
 

Maybe people will think twice before nominating super old people to that office. 

We would be getting a female POC as potus which would be a good thing even though she would not have been voted in directly.  She would then presumably be the D nominee in 28 and we get to see how that goes (though unfortunate for her she would have many headwinds).

anyway, they managed to get Reagan through a second term and I’m sure the same machine is there to help Biden.

 

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8 hours ago, Captainant said:

In his last couple years before he passed, you could tell when my dad had a virus or infection - he would go from a pretty smart and clever dude to someone that would forget what he were saying as he was saying it. And he was a couple decades younger than Biden, so I can imagine the strain he was under. Unfortunate timing, but its a risk we are exposed to when an 82yo is running. 

 

It's a damn shame that money is what gets representation rather than citizens in America, but we're just gonna keep getting bidens and other olds for as long as dollars matter more than people

I think you might have just said that people 62 years old become nonsensical when they get viruses.

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NPR the day after the debate. Rightfully, they reported the Dem worry about Joe's acuity. Then they beat into the ground for awhile.

Trump is mentioned as a contrast to Joe by being more forceful and present as a speaker. Fair that. Oh, they added as an aside, "although much of what he said were falsehoods." That's it.

 

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Why hasn’t anyone in the media asked if Trump should step down due to being a traitor? 

Trump is traitor, liar, amoral narcissist, and a felon. But the hubub is that Joe performed poorly and the Dems, as they do, panicked. 

You tell me which of the above is the big story in a presidential election?

But it's how they always cover the horse race as alluled to above. No salient issues like base qualifications as a person or citizen, instead we get coverage of how the needle moves for the morons from day to day.

The biggest news story since WW2 is that the US electorate is considering and may indeed be electing a "man" whose malignant flaws and general malignancy are in plain view. The electronic press are missing it because of the template they can't help but apply.

Any American in a coma would be a better choice than Trump who shouldn't be comfortable appearing in public.

My whole white male babyboomer run of luck is looking a little shaky. The climate will likely hold up long enough for me, but I doubt my country will. And not an argument in the world will have any impact on the future of a free republic.

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2 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I think you might have just said that people 62 years old become nonsensical when they get viruses.

Well my dad was an advanced Parkinson's patient of a couple decades in his early 60s so I guess I left that important detail out. I more meant to make the point that when you're older and your body is in worse shape, things that used to be minor can quickly become debilitating 

19 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

This sentence is hypnotizing me. What on earth are you saying?

I'm saying that the number of people who want a policy or a politician to succeed doesn't matter anymore, and that it indexes more closely to the wishes of whomever has the most money. 

https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba/

Said more plainly, were moving back towards caring more about land owners over the people living on that land. Granted, I'm sure that's how you prefer things

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Just now, Rex Kramer said:

And it’s irrelevant.  No amount of money and smart campaign advertising can supercede what we saw Thursday. 

I'm not talking about a single office, and neither was the linked Princeton study that you didn't read. Across the board, constituents do not set policy and their consent does not ever factor into its passage 

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Rex, don't you have some carcinogens or forever chemicals to dump into an elementary school or something? You're playing dumb and claiming that the consent of the governed doesn't matter in a democracy 

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25 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

That wasn't a fucking cold.

I don't mind the argument that really shitty Biden is better than Trump, or even that a demented Biden is better than Trump, but the cold argument is aggy on injected-in-the-ass-steroids.

Even if it were a cold do you want a president who responds like that to a cold?

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41 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

That wasn't a fucking cold.

I don't mind the argument that really shitty Biden is better than Trump, or even that a demented Biden is better than Trump, but the cold argument is aggy on injected-in-the-ass-steroids.

It would explain why his voice was hoarse. 

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59 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Even if it were a cold do you want a president who responds like that to a cold?

If the alternative is Trump, absolutely.

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1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said:

Biden. By far. The whole world knows Trump is a liar and a bad guy. Biden has shown glimpses of dementia. A lot. But nothing like Thursday in a showcased grand scale. It’s not quite but almost as if the Dems have Mitch McConnell, post on camera-stroke, and are forced to parade him on camera for 90 minutes and just pray they get him on a somewhat lucid night. 

What you saw was not dementia. 

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It was a woefully incapacitated candidate that happens to be our current president. What I saw was not a cold. 

He has no verbal skills anymore. I have no doubt he’s still with it, but he can’t communicate. Which is a problem.
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29 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yes but two of those were right. The thing affluent white progressives don’t seem to care about is the fact that while winning is not the only thing that matters, it is the only thing that’s required. If you don’t win you ain’t shit. 

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41 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Online chatter (mostly maga) that trunp is picking Ranaswamamy as his VP

No way that happens. Would be cool, though. I think that would be a disastrous pick. 

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2 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

It was a woefully incapacitated candidate that happens to be our current president. What I saw was not a cold. 

No one said it was. My only point was that you were throwing around the word dementia and that’s not his issue.  

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Just now, Rex Kramer said:

Who are you talking about?

Everyone that votes for Trump and makes the argument. If that includes you then you too. Every last fucking one of you. 

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58 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Trump should drop out as he is a fucking traitor. Why are Dems held to a different standard? It's ridiculous.

Because Democrats are the normalcy alternative. Of course the standard is different.

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13 hours ago, Captainant said:

for as long as dollars matter more than people

In a country that fought a war against itself over keeping some people as actual dollars...

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13 minutes ago, Slacks said:

In a country that fought a war against itself over keeping some people as actual dollars...

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Unfortunately, that sad bit of American history has fingerprints all over the Constitution.

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Just now, Rex Kramer said:

It’s upsetting Dems aren’t more ruthless. The electorate is being held hostage by both parties. Dems have a much more understandable position. 

They are plenty ruthless. Unfortunately they are also dorks and losers who treat winning elections as a subordinate outcome to being superior in any number of ways. 

Remember the Wendy Davis filibuster? There was an effort to make a movie about it. Democratic consultants and donors etc felt that was an inspiring story, and tried to make it happen.
The reason why it didn’t happen was that the Hollywood people couldn’t figure out how losing a vote on the same bill three weeks later and then losing the gubernatorial race that followed in a landslide was inspiring. Later someone who was tangentially involved in the effort said that the movie people had “internalized a right wing narrative.”

@Brisketexan will likely remember that I said in 2019 or so that the model for the national Democratic Party was the Texas Democratic Party. My opinion hasn’t changed: when a party organizes people and process to do anything other than winning, what happens is losing. It’s not complicated. 



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