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1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Correct.  A Harris/Kelly ticket, for example, would win.  

I'm not sure where the notion she can't win PA, MI, and WI came from.  Republicans have basically lost everything there since Dobbs.  Harris might also help with turnout in the cities.

Isn't Kelly going to be busy senatoring?

"You're going to need a crew as crazy as you.  Who you got in mind?"  Who would be the VP nominee?

 

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Wonder if there would be some benefit in selecting a ticket where neither candidate has been circulating thru the Fox hate machine for years. They’d catch up, for sure, but that reflexive hatred wouldn’t be there.

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Just now, Red Five said:

Wonder if there would be some benefit in selecting a ticket where neither candidate has been circulating thru the Fox hate machine for years. They’d catch up, for sure, but that reflexive hatred wouldn’t be there.

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I only care if Biden drops out in that I want to see Democrats' chances of winning the White House, Senate, and House maximized, because the Republican Party has openly broadcast its desire to establish a fascist dictatorship.

I have not seen a ton of evidence that Biden dropping would advance that cause; although polling coming out this week, as the media has negligently and relentlessly focused on Biden's debate performance above any and all other stories, has now maybe started to suggest that. Lots of polling has indicated that a majority of voters, including independents and even Democrats, want Biden to not run. That's great, but we all know when you start identifying alternatives as opposed to the idea of a generic replacement, support plummets. This is evidenced by other options polling essentially the same. So in that sense I am somewhat agnostic. If it becomes clear to me that Biden stepping aside meaningfully increases win probability then I'd be all for it, I'm just unconvinced that it does, even now.

Kamala Harris is in all likelihood the nominee if that happens. Base your takes about whether you think Biden should step down accordingly. She is logistically by far the smoothest option and was elected by the people of the United States of America to be the next (wo)man up if, God forbid, the need ever arose. There is no reasonable argument from within the Democratic Party other than "eh, I just don't like her;" which sets off a shit show of a contested convention that I have no doubt Democrats would find a way to bungle.

If Biden does step aside, Harris's candidacy is a political damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Obviously there are undecideds/independents willing to give Democrats a second look with a younger candidate. However, we saw a black president break a good chunk of white America's brains and we see similarly inspired posts in this very thread discussing her candidacy. I have a hard time thinking a black woman retains the support in the suburbs and among white seniors that Joe Biden has, nor is she likely to be significantly additive when it comes to black and latino men. Conversely, black women are an integral part of the Democratic base and passing over a black woman who is very literally heir to the throne is not going to go over well. I don't know how much she nets over Biden, if anything.

Gavin Newsom exudes rich, California limousine liberal. While I think he is very good in interviews, and is clearly a sharp guy, and has a decent policy record, that will be the message and it will stick with receipts like the French laundry debacle. He will be a non starter in middle America.

Gretchen Whitmer and Josh Shapiro at least bring the potential to shore up key states, but see the point above about passing over Harris and the reaction from black women in the base. Whitmer also has to deal with the burden of being a woman. Shapiro probably has the shortest list of negatives, but as just a two year Governor of PA, we don't know what we don't know in terms of vetting. And I frankly struggle to see the Democratic Party passing on a sitting VP for a two-year Governor.

Anyone else is small time and not worth considering. 

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6 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

The biggest surprise for me in all this is how CNN has gone full retard .   No offense to retards.

It’s a disaster of a “news” network. It’s always been ratings driven but it’s a full fledged propaganda machine at this point. Which was basically their mission statement when the new guy took over.

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1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

I would worry about how she would do with the old school (white guy) Dems I those states

To be fair, Democrats' support among the Midwestern white working class has collapsed. I am not worried about an old school Democrat that stayed with the party to vote for Clinton and Biden defecting when Trump is on the ballot again.

It's the middle/upper middle class middle aged white voters who just don't like Harris's tone for some strange reason that I'd worry about. And seniors.

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2 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

To be fair, Democrats' support among the Midwestern white working class has collapsed. I am not worried about an old school Democrat that stayed with the party to vote for Clinton and Biden defecting when Trump is on the ballot again.

It's the middle/upper middle class middle aged white voters who just don't like Harris's tone for some strange reason that I'd worry about. And seniors.

How many of those are still around in the Democratic party? I cannot fathom that person being a likely voter, and a likely Biden voter, in the first place.  There are some middle and upper class whites in swing states, but the majority of them vote along party lines and in their own perceived interests. Who among those people will stay home if Biden's not on the ticket? However many there are, I would say we get that back and then some with lower and middle class black women who might have stayed home.

This is also a great chance to try and win back some of those Muslim voters in Michigan who vowed never to support Genocide Joe.

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28 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Wonder if there would be some benefit in selecting a ticket where neither candidate has been circulating thru the Fox hate machine for years. They’d catch up, for sure, but that reflexive hatred wouldn’t be there.


there isn’t one person that watched Fox News nightly that is voting for a dem president. Why the fuck should the democrats be running candidates that “haven’t been polluted by Fox News/newsmax/youtubeNaziguy”

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16 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This is called a moment of clarity

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I mean, my man,a moment of clarity for me would be “convicted felon tries to wrest control of the United States of America “.  Yeah I’m gonna vote for that guy!

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2 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

If you don't draw the line somewhere you're only delaying the enivitable. If not now, when?

 

There will never be a line in the sand.  Trump's 1st term provided more than enough evidence that he's completely unfit for office.  The "undecided" voters will continue to do whatever mental gymnastics necessary to justify voting for Trump/3rd party until the country/world no longer exists.

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21 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

I mean, my man,a moment of clarity for me would be “convicted felon tries to wrest control of the United States of America “.  Yeah I’m gonna vote for that guy!

No, they just won't vote at all which means the convicted felon wins unless Biden has more people who will still vote for him. The enthusiasm gap is only going to grow larger if Biden keeps stumbling. Or they'll waste a vote on the brain wormed, babysitter assaulting dog eater. 

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11 minutes ago, Captain Obvious said:

There will never be a line in the sand.  Trump's 1st term provided more than enough evidence that he's completely unfit for office.  The "undecided" voters will continue to do whatever mental gymnastics necessary to justify voting for Trump/3rd party until the country/world no longer exists.

Well, then give up.

 

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8 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

51mm people turned on the debate, and the majority of the those already wondered if Joe Biden could still do the job. Now they know he can’t. There is no coming back from this and no historical analogy applies.  He could go dap somebody at every Waffle House in America every day between now and November and it won’t change the fact that independent voters in 5 key states will not come his way, period. The window to change minds is closed. It‘s plan B or plan T.

And so the other option is voting for Trump who if elected won’t do the job because he doesn’t know how to or doesn’t really care to. He will just spend his time getting back at anyone he doesn’t like, getting the US out of NATO to help his buddy Putin and doing a major con on the American people. And he’ll spend the next four years trying to get Congress and the Supreme Court to allow him to never leave office.  

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4 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

What did you see? Not being argumentative btw. 
What I saw was 10 mins of what the fuck is this guy trying to say. And it was concerning. After that I saw Joe Biden being old. And it was softer in tone than he has been.
I didn’t see a guy who was senile or didn’t have a grasp of what was going on. I didn’t see a guy who had no understanding of what the issues are. I also saw him go after Donald pretty effectively once he got off of talking point and started winging it.
Basically my point is a I saw an old guy, not a mentally incapacitated one. 
Not to be crass but I don’t really care if he’s old and dies in office so long as he’s alive long enough to win. Nothing before, during, or after the debate makes me think he’s on the verge of death.

Two things can be true at once. Everything you just wrote is true and yes, seeing it in that context was stark. 
 

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1 hour ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Well, then give up.

 

There's no need to give up, but waiting for some magical line in the sand via something Trump says or does to turn off the undecided voters or some of his base is past wishful thinking at this point.

The hope is that the Dems figure out their own line in the sand to get the fence sitters to move towards their camp whether that be Biden stepping down, or Biden stringing together a town hall and some live interviews where he can at least look/sound lucid the whole time.

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And so the other option is voting for Trump who if elected won’t do the job because he doesn’t know how to or doesn’t really care to. He will just spend his time getting back at anyone he doesn’t like, getting the US out of NATO to help his buddy Putin and doing a major con on the American people. And he’ll spend the next four years trying to get Congress and the Supreme Court to allow him to never leave office.  

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3 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:


there isn’t one person that watched Fox News nightly that is voting for a dem president. Why the fuck should the democrats be running candidates that “haven’t been polluted by Fox News/newsmax/youtubeNaziguy”

This really fucks with my brain.  I see what I think are perfectly normal black folks - older and pleasant like most of my patients - watching FoxNews every time I see them.  I can’t wrap my head around these people all getting behind trump but I think that has to be the case.  And don’t get my started on the Hispanics.  We sooo fucked.  

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29 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

This really fucks with my brain.  I see what I think are perfectly normal black folks - older and pleasant like most of my patients - watching FoxNews every time I see them.  I can’t wrap my head around these people all getting behind trump but I think that has to be the case.  And don’t get my started on the Hispanics.  We sooo fucked.  

The same phenomenon showed up this year when season 4 of The Boys came out. MAGAts suddenly realized they were being skewered. For 3 seasons of relentless lampooning of the right, our lemming neighbors somehow loved the show. Unfortunately, I doubt there will be a politics equivalent to the season 4 Trumpkin entertainment awakening.

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I just tried to catchup on a week's worth of posts in this thread. What have I learned? Not a g-damned thing. Except for maybe:

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A few years ago there was no way in hell I thought we would seriously be about to elect the Cheeto dusted felon again. Here we are.

Fuck.

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12 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

He is too old. He's not incompetent. He's not prone to damage the republic. He gives a shit.

The only question is which candidate is better for the country in the role of president. The choice between these two men is the easiest in any election ever. It's crazy.

I think this is the argument many see for having him step aside.  Why not take his big issue of age/competence away and put someone up with isn't too old, isn't incompetent and isn't prone to damage the republic. Someone who can also energize the base to get out and vote.  With Trump on the other side there should be no downside to do so.

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Just now, MonkeyDoughnut said:

I think this is the argument many see for having him step aside.  Why not take his big issue of age/competence away and put someone up with isn't too old, isn't incompetent and isn't prone to damage the republic. Someone who can also energize the base to get out and vote.  With Trump on the other side there should be no downside to do so.

Poor reactionary strategy. Only going to be setup for failure especially this close to election. If this was the strategy it should have been put in place well over a year ago

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7 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

This really fucks with my brain.  I see what I think are perfectly normal black folks - older and pleasant like most of my patients - watching FoxNews every time I see them.  I can’t wrap my head around these people all getting behind trump but I think that has to be the case.  And don’t get my started on the Hispanics.  We sooo fucked.  

Shit I think Don carried a couple of south Texas counties last election. 



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