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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.


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17 hours ago, Captain Obvious said:

"Dems in disarray" is right up there with "Trump lies" or "Trump is a horrible human being" in terms of being played out.  None of the aforementioned things should phase anyone at this point and won't move the needle no matter how many people/bots tweet it into the abyss.

Username checks out. 

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4 hours ago, South Austin said:

Maybe Dick Cheney can take Trump on a hunting trip.

"How can you shoot a fat, orange man in the face?"

"Easy. You just don't lead him so much."

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Posted
14 hours ago, F250 said:

So much hand wringing going on here.

My prediction.

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Every time I see this thread title I hear Morbo yelling Doooooom

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1 hour ago, gmr548 said:

Do the gays count as DEI hires?

Regular gays or the straight dudes with a wife and 3 kids who still have Grindr accounts?

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The think tank behind the democratic party, those who actually make the decisions are, and have always been fucking idiots. The fact we are even in this situation pisses me off to no end. I am on the side of God damned idiots. This is their job, to strategize, for the present and for the future. Yet here we are. For decades their messaging has missed the mark while the republicans know EXACTLY how stupid/fearful the average human being is. The democrats play in LA LA land and now we may/will lose everything because of it. Maybe Ill just start to embrace my male whiteness and think, yea perhaps this is for the best. This is the best the human race can do. People refuse to critically think because thinking critically is scary. They would much rather be told what to do and get lost in their racism/fear of God bullshit. Or do nothing as they get poorer because they have no time to do anything but work. Im getting more and more pissed off by the day from all of it. Whatever.

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19 minutes ago, UTGrad98 said:

The think tank behind the democratic party, those who actually make the decisions are, and have always been fucking idiots.

And who would that be?

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Brookings, far left as they are, has gotten more cooperative and less extreme lately.  Is it Center for America Progress?  Those folks have only come here to do two things, chug absinthe and hand over the election over back to Trump.  And it looks like they're out of Absinthe. 

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This morning, I heard some politico mention that if Biden drops out of the race, Republicans would immediately file lawsuits in battleground states to block Democrats from putting anyone other than Biden on the ballot.

Is that even possible? And if so, how likely would it be to succeed? They'd only need to convince one or two swing states and then it's ballgame.

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45 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

And who would that be?

Forget it Jim he’s rolling.

These are my favorite rants from the former pubs.

Newsflash: one party messages to a solitary race and intelligence level. It ain’t that hard. 

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I've been unsuccessfully trying to get my 4 year old to use "best" instead of "goodest" for a couple of weeks now, and my 2 year old keeps eating the tips off of markers. So this presidential race is really starting to hit close to home.

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24 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said:

This morning, I heard some politico mention that if Biden drops out of the race, Republicans would immediately file lawsuits in battleground states to block Democrats from putting anyone other than Biden on the ballot.

Is that even possible? And if so, how likely would it be to succeed? They'd only need to convince one or two swing states and then it's ballgame.

They'll certainly try.  But there's lots of 'case' precedence.  Most recently when LBJ drops out in effectively April of 1968.  

If the change occurs before the convention, most state party language is pretty clear.  The party just has a placeholder spot on each state's ballot and fills it as they so desire.  There's plenty of instances in both parties, in the last 50+ years where the VP candidate was not revealed until the convention, or shortly before.  But certainly well after the deadline to file for the top candidate to be listed on most state's ballots.  Because it's the only two-person election in the United States federal mechanism, later this month the DNC couldn't just declare the Trump campaign can't be on certain state's ballots because he didn't reveal his VP running-mate until within 90 days of Election Day, or 60 days before registration deadline in most swing states.  So there's some questionable spacing in there, but parties have changed horses late in the race but this one is way more visible---to your point.  

There's three things to remember here:

1.  Doesn't matter what the Democratic ticket ends up being, even if legally valid (and I think that it is).  It is way to fucking late to be playing around.  This should have been sorted out months ago.  

2.  Registration is going to close in most states within just 90 days, some even less.  So it's not really 4 months to the election, it's more like three.  

3.  With likely no legal basis for removing a new candidate off a party ballot that already has "clearance" to appear on a state ballot.  Here's a "glitch in the system."  A few swing states controlled by GOP legislative houses and/or high courts.  They rule between now and registration deadline (Sep/Oct) that mail-in ballots, early voting rolls, absentee ballots should all be sent in early with a broader than ever window of opportunity in the name of Democracy and voter access.  You get a few hundred thousand people to vote via one of those three versions before the tickets are finally set by November (in case Biden resigns in Autumn)...that state turns around and says all those early/absentee/mailed ballots don't count.  tens of thousands in 7 seven crucial states go up in flames.  And Trump beats whoever the D's set as their 2-person ticket.  In a stroke of irony, they actually make voting easier and earlier so they can torch them when and if Biden makes the switch too late.  Perfect judicial and legal cover.  SCOTUS would affirm it, and I almost wouldn't blame 'em.  If only we'd had 3+ years to plan for this.  

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49 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said:

This morning, I heard some politico mention that if Biden drops out of the race, Republicans would immediately file lawsuits in battleground states to block Democrats from putting anyone other than Biden on the ballot.

Is that even possible? And if so, how likely would it be to succeed? They'd only need to convince one or two swing states and then it's ballgame.

No. There hasn’t been a convention so there is no official nominee. The convention leaders simply have to change the bylaws stating how the nomination occurs and then nominate their ticket

 

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I'm sure that would get immediately picked up by the Supreme Court, and they would rule within about 20 minutes that Biden has to be on the ballot, even if he dropped out before the convention. Or if he died. 

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Posted (edited)
27 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

or else what?  What are they gonna do?

If pressed collectively they’ve got lots of leverage, at multiple levels, public and private.

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11 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I'm sure that would get immediately picked up by the Supreme Court, and they would rule within about 20 minutes that Biden has to be on the ballot, even if he dropped out before the convention. Or if he died. 

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8 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I'm sure that would get immediately picked up by the Supreme Court, and they would rule within about 20 minutes that Biden has to be on the ballot, even if he dropped out before the convention. Or if he died. 

He’s not even the nominee yet.

I don’t know if everyone is familiar with what’s going on in Ohio but we have a law that says the ballot must be certified 90 days before the election which means by Aug 7. The Democratic National Convention isn’t until Aug 19th so they’re planning to have a “virtual roll call” prior to Ohio’s Aug 7 deadline to declare Joe Biden the nominee and get him on the ballot. That’s going to complicate things in the calculation of if/when Biden should drop out. 

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32 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

To do what, though, if they can't convince Joe Biden?

Members of congress don’t just speak for themselves. They are party critters deeply connected to local party organizations and structures. Team Biden isn’t some independent entity and while his delegates are certainly pledged to him they are products of the same organizations and structures that produce members of congress. 

In other words- if we get to the point that they collectively want Biden out and he doesn’t drop out, we could see a floor fight start to take shape, beginning with superdelegates and unpledged delegates begin to publicly support stalking horses, and conflict in the preliminary committees that precede the convention. 
It’s important to keep in mind that Democrats were *this* close to a floor fight in 2008 two weeks before the show started and had it gotten to that point it’s very possible that Clinton could have won the nomination. 

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5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Members of congress don’t just speak for themselves. They are party critters deeply connected to local party organizations and structures. Team Biden isn’t some independent entity and while his delegates are certainly pledged to him they are products of the same organizations and structures that produce members of congress. 

In other words- if we get to the point that they collectively want Biden out and he doesn’t drop out, we could see a floor fight start to take shape, beginning with superdelegates and unpledged delegates begin to publicly support stalking horses, and conflict in the preliminary committees that precede the convention. 
It’s important to keep in mind that Democrats were *this* close to a floor fight in 2008 two weeks before the show started and had it gotten to that point it’s very possible that Clinton could have won the nomination. 

This is how it works and this applies to Biden as well as Harris.  (The Republicans don't have super delegates.)

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4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Members of congress don’t just speak for themselves. They are party critters deeply connected to local party organizations and structures. Team Biden isn’t some independent entity and while his delegates are certainly pledged to him they are products of the same organizations and structures that produce members of congress. 

In other words- if we get to the point that they collectively want Biden out and he doesn’t drop out, we could see a floor fight start to take shape, beginning with superdelegates and unpledged delegates begin to publicly support stalking horses, and conflict in the preliminary committees that precede the convention. 
It’s important to keep in mind that Democrats were *this* close to a floor fight in 2008 two weeks before the show started and had it gotten to that point it’s very possible that Clinton could have won the nomination. 

Doesn't he already have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot and don't they belong to him barring a change of the rules?

 

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3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Doesn't he already have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot and don't they belong to him barring a change of the rules?

 

They're just pledged.  Sure, it says they're bound to vote for him but there is no penalty for doing what they want.

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4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Doesn't he already have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot and don't they belong to him barring a change of the rules?

 

What you are really asking is if their votes can be counted despite how they vote and the answer is no.

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1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

They're just pledged.  Sure, it says they're bound to vote for him but there is no penalty for doing what they want.

Hoo boy. The shit storm that would stir up would be entertaining but extremely unhelpful in November.

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Just now, David Dennison said:

Hoo boy. The shit storm that would stir up would be entertaining but extremely unhelpful in November.

There ain’t gonna be a convention floor fight. No chance. 

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Their idea goes something like this, according to a memo shared with Semafor that has been circulated to Democratic donors and bundlers as well as officials within the Biden campaign and administration:

 

  • Biden would step down as the Democratic nominee in mid-July, and announce the new system, with backing from Vice President Kamala Harris.
  • Potential candidates would have a few days to throw their respective hats in the ring. The Democratic Party then would begin a primary sprint in which the six candidates who receive the most votes from delegates pledge to run positive-only campaigns in the month leading up to the convention.
  • The “blitz primary” would involve weekly forums with each candidate moderated by cultural icons (Michelle Obama, Oprah, and Taylor Swift are among the names floated in the memo) in order to engage voters.
  • The nominee would ultimately be chosen by the delegates using ranked choice voting before the start of the Chicago convention on Aug. 19.
  • It would be announced with plenty of fanfare on the third day of the gathering. The memo imagines the nominee unveiled on stage with Biden, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton.

https://www.semafor.com/article/07/07/2024/blitz-primary-could-open-up-democratic-race-if-biden-drops-out

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Just now, David Dennison said:

I'm sure the Harris people are super on-board with that.

Of course they wouldn't be because she'd lose that to Whitmer but how can she be against actual voting?

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2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

The “blitz primary” would involve weekly forums with each candidate moderated by cultural icons (Michelle Obama, Oprah, and Taylor Swift are among the names floated in the memo) in order to engage voters

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4 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Of course they wouldn't be because she'd lose that to Whitmer but how can she be against actual voting?

You mean other than the voting that already took place in which her ticket ran the table?

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

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That's actually a great idea.  Laughed at the Taylor Swift part but people would watch that.

The whole process would captivate America and the Trump meltdown would be epic.

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

You mean other than the voting that already took place in which her ticket ran the table?

If Biden steps aside, those delegates would be open.  It would be the same as if he wasn't the incumbent and just died or something.  

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7 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

So they're just gonna return that $100M+ in fundraising? Just for a chance to say Harris lost a "blitz primary" fair and square?

Return it or spend on the new candidates behalf.

The new ticket would have $100M raised within a week.

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4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

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Fuck it, dude. The GOP has successful courted the game show and reality TV crowd for decades. It would be awkward, embarrassing, completely unbecoming, and cringey as fuck...but it might just work. Now's not the time to hold onto dignity.

Mostly kidding. I think.

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3 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

If Biden steps aside, those delegates would be open.  It would be the same as if he wasn't the incumbent and just died or something.  

And if he resigns and Harris becomes president?

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This talk of a blitz primary idea just because people think Harris can’t win / don’t want her to run for “reasons” so we can have a messy primary 4 months before the elections

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