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Posted (edited)
Just now, David Dennison said:

This brat shit is dumber than the Macarena.

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Let kids be kids, the olds of our times thought a bunch of the stuff we did and said was dumb too. At least they stopped eating Tide pods, right? ,. . . Right?

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7 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:


 

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46 minutes ago, Texas Flood said:

White women need to get on the coconut bus

 

39 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

White women (and I am one) should be fucking shamed if they vote for Trump. To be absolutely clear though, I think educated white women are largely in the bag.  It is the uneducated that most likely swing Trump. It is shocking how people vote against their interests. Then again, they are the common clay of the new west.

I think MAGA will go with the slut shaming; Kamala had a thousand abortions and slept her way to her current position. This is stereotypical, but, sadly, I think it works with voters looking to believe anything so they can hate their opponents instead of merely compete with them. It's about emotions not the obvious pragmatism of choosing liberty for women or other citizens.

Outside of the cult, I think the appeal should drive undecided women away. I form this opinion not because I pretend to have some insight into women; I do have insight into decent people.

Again, I'm notoriously errant in my political predictions.

 

25 minutes ago, mdmost said:

MOAR!!!

 

But wait, I thought you can't remove someone from the ballot once they're made the nominee? Isn't that a coup?

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Fuck these assholes. I'm sure CNN will jump right on this:

Crawl at bottom of screen: Breaking News, MAGA GOPs calling for Civil War should Trump lose.

Hello I'm Wolf Blitzer in the Situation Room. The the GOP is threatening war should they lose the election. They say this election is their last chance to save the country. Let's unpack that by examining what they think they're saving the country from and the extremism of threatening war. 

Let's get our political panel in here and speculate about how this will play in the polls. Bobby?

I think it's a strong message that could motivate the base.

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From what I've seen from the Kentucky governor, he could destroy Vance in a debate, appeal to the midwest and Rust Belt, and appeal to the people currently voting against their own self-interests in red states. You have got to break the Rust Belt free from Trump's sway. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I listen to that podcast when I want to feel like a terrible person. It’s like sitting around Les Amis patio back in the day, smoking cigarettes and talking shit with the skinniest, bitchiest art history grad students in town. 

Look, man....I don't come around here to have you second-guess my strategies for getting laid back in the day.  I went with the high-percentage plays, and they worked out just fine.  Plus, those skinny bitchy art history students....knew things.

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

 

WHAT THE FUCK IS FUCKING WRONG WITH YOU, WOMEN (MOSTLY WHITE WOMEN)?  We correctly point out the Leopards Eating Faces tendencies of hispanics, but FFS, women....MAGA LOATHES you.  You are good for being indentured servants, bending to their will.  They don't believe that sexual assault of women is a problem because women don't really have bodily autonomy anyway -- you can't assault a "thing."  Wake the fuck up.

1 hour ago, Pancho said:


Starting to see White women on social media say they need to have a call similar to what the Black women did. I think Latina and Asian women are organizing something similar.

They best get on that shit toot-sweet, because those polling numbers above are fucking embarrassingly bad.

25 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

And a whole lot of this.  Kamala and the Dems should spend 0.0% of their time on the defensive, and 100% of their time on the offensive/attack.  Nonstop.  By every mouthpiece that will matter, on every outlet imaginable.  They shouldn't pause to take a breath until after midnight on election day.  Attack.  Constantly.  Relentlessly.

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19 minutes ago, Pancho said:

That was quick. Looks like this is happening this week for White Women!

This is being led by Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action

I thought women would lead the way after the pussy hat protest in 2017. They form the biggest persecuted group and seem more prone to united action than men.

Colin Cowherd made an interesting point about that noting how women have marches for breast cancer and other causes. Men can't be bothered to do anything about prostate cancer.

We're just sort of inert about most things. Maybe it's the sports heroin. Or laziness. Or lack of care about other people. What's a white man got to worry about, anyway? I'm generalizing dangerously, but I think there is something to it.

Go women!  As many may have noticed, I advocate voting for persons other than white men. Enough already.

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Posted (edited)
32 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

they're gonna spend $100M telling voters that Kamala's parents weren't born in 'Murica, she's black (but not that black), she has a vagina but never popped a baby out of it, and she slept her way to the top.

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You guys have to stop fretting over every poll or pole as Trump would say. Shit will level out soon and push polls are going to do what they do. Trump tying himself to that hillbilly moron will be beautiful to watch. 

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

Look, man....I don't come around here to have you second-guess my strategies for getting laid back in the day.  I went with the high-percentage plays, and they worked out just fine.  Plus, those skinny bitchy art history students....knew things.

WHAT THE FUCK IS FUCKING WRONG WITH YOU, WOMEN (MOSTLY WHITE WOMEN)?  We correctly point out the Leopards Eating Faces tendencies of hispanics, but FFS, women....MAGA LOATHES you.  You are good for being indentured servants, bending to their will.  They don't believe that sexual assault of women is a problem because women don't really have bodily autonomy anyway -- you can't assault a "thing."  Wake the fuck up.

They best get on that shit toot-sweet, because those polling numbers above are fucking embarrassingly bad.

And a whole lot of this.  Kamala and the Dems should spend 0.0% of their time on the defensive, and 100% of their time on the offensive/attack.  Nonstop.  By every mouthpiece that will matter, on every outlet imaginable.  They shouldn't pause to take a breath until after midnight on election day.  Attack.  Constantly.  Relentlessly.

I'm pretty sure plenty of white women, evangelicals in particular, truly like these ideas. Especially when it comes to abortion. Only whores have abortions, and its their fault, no other plausible reason for abortions, at least nothing they've ever encountered in their charmed life, and that's pretty much the white evangelical ethos, I got mine, so fuck you.

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55 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

For now.  Shit, I can easily see Trump pulling that ripcord as late as September if he thinks it would help.

 

 

He would only pick someone even worse.  Bring it.  

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Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And a whole lot of this.  Kamala and the Dems should spend 0.0% of their time on the defensive, and 100% of their time on the offensive/attack.  Nonstop.  By every mouthpiece that will matter, on every outlet imaginable.  They shouldn't pause to take a breath until after midnight on election day.  Attack.  Constantly.  Relentlessly.

That's what I liked about the earlier tweet where Kamala says she knows criminal types like Trump from her days as a prosecutor. It wasn't just her words that got me; it was her demeanor. I could see her pinning Trump to a board and dissecting him like a living frog.

Yummy

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Posted
16 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Longwell publishes The Bulwark - a group of never Trumpers who have bailed on the GOP. 

 

This will be my last post on this in here as I don't want to fuck up this thread with a topic everyone hates, but I had a conversation with a relative last week (pre-Biden dropout) that really shook me.  For my entire life, she's been the most reliable Democratic voter I know, yet she informed me that while she would never vote for Trump, any politician that she does vote for in November will be Republican... and it's because she feels betrayed by how the Democratic party has treated Israel, the lack of support for Jewish students on college campuses, etc.  (NOTE: I pushed back, highlighted how many feel that they are too PRO-Israel, how this is NOT the election to make a point, how it's insane to make this the single issue that defines your politics... yada yada yada).  In no way am I trying to say that she has a point or that I agree with her so please don't attack the messenger, I am merely pointing out that while much of the analysis is on how bringing in a pro-Israel candidate for VP could hurt the party, I do imagine there is probably some thought behind how it could mend some frayed relationships.  This relative is active in the Jewish community and I have to think her opinion is shared among most of her circle.  

 

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To me, the most important aspects of potential VP are 

1. Someone Kamala genuinely likes, compatible, and most importantly will not overshadow her on campaign trail. 

2. Attractive to middle America voters

3. Can beat and embarrass Vance in a debate 

 

Beshear and Kelly seem like the best options on the surface. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And a whole lot of this.  Kamala and the Dems should spend 0.0% of their time on the defensive, and 100% of their time on the offensive/attack.  Nonstop.  By every mouthpiece that will matter, on every outlet imaginable.  They shouldn't pause to take a breath until after midnight on election day.  Attack.  Constantly.  Relentlessly.

Tim Miller - former Republican opposition research - says this exact same thing: 

 

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39 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Lol wat? 

Mark Kelly is a:
- Veteran
-Astronaut
-Senator
-Husband to Gabby Gifford
-Common Sense Gun Control Advocate


He’s seen some shit and not a lifer politician. Pretty squeaky clean.  Like I said, I don’t care and Kamala can’t make a wrong choice for VP, unless it’s Tim Kaine. 

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Just now, 6th Street said:

Shapiro adds PA but loses Michigan

Kamala is the top of the ticket. If the "uncommitted" were really going to stay home for Biden and let Trump turn their homeland into glass, they aren't changing their mind for Kamala, who is going to hold the same position, or even if she's a little harsher on Israel, she isn't going to stop arms sales.

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38 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Kelly also amplifies the gun violence issue in regards to his wife.

Not just that, but he can also speak credibly as a border-state senator on the issue of immigration.  I don't mean that the Democrats can take that issue back.  But he can talk about how Trump sabotaged the legislation that Arizona and the other border states need to address immigration.

7 minutes ago, mdmost said:

You guys have to stop fretting over every poll or pole as Trump would say. Shit will level out soon and push polls are going to do what they do. Trump tying himself to that hillbilly moron will be beautiful to watch. 

Beyond that--every fucking poll coming out today was in the field before Biden withdrew.  It doesn't reflect the present reality.  They're polling a purely hypothetical matchup, which we've seen in other circumstances is very different from an actual matchup.  

No poll of consequence is going to come out before Thursday.

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

You don't know.

More than 200K Arabs in Michigan and they won't be happy with an anti-cease fire/anti Gaza candidate. Margin or error is low and that voting bloc is enough to swing Michigan.

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I think there's absolutely no doubt that Trump wants to sack Vance now, as performative art is really the only way he judges anyone, and Vance is a steaming hot pile of shit in that regard.

While Trump outwardly projects strength, the real truth is that he is a puppet controlled by various factions.  Internationally it's by people like Putin, but domestically it's by the tech bros who want him to be a lackey to their aspirations to dominate and profit off the AI revolution, i.e. Peter Thiel and co.

There is zero chance those guys will let Trump sideline Vance and I'm here for the Truth Social meltdown over it that is coming in the weeks ahead.

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4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Mark Kelly is a:
- Veteran
-Astronaut
-Senator
-Husband to Gabby Gifford
-Common Sense Gun Control Advocate


He’s seen some shit and not a lifer politician. Pretty squeaky clean.  Like I said, I don’t care and Kamala can’t make a wrong choice for VP, unless it’s Tim Kaine. 

I'm not seeing a lot of executive or otherwise relevant experience there in that resume.  

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4 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

This will be my last post on this in here as I don't want to fuck up this thread with a topic everyone hates, but I had a conversation with a relative last week (pre-Biden dropout) that really shook me.  For my entire life, she's been the most reliable Democratic voter I know, yet she informed me that while she would never vote for Trump, any politician that she does vote for in November will be Republican... and it's because she feels betrayed by how the Democratic party has treated Israel, the lack of support for Jewish students on college campuses, etc.  (NOTE: I pushed back, highlighted how many feel that they are too PRO-Israel, how this is NOT the election to make a point, how it's insane to make this the single issue that defines your politics... yada yada yada).  In no way am I trying to say that she has a point or that I agree with her so please don't attack the messenger, I am merely pointing out that while much of the analysis is on how bringing in a pro-Israel candidate for VP could hurt the party, I do imagine there is probably some thought behind how it could mend some frayed relationships.  This relative is active in the Jewish community and I have to think her opinion is shared among most of her circle.  

 

I truly empathize with anyone massively affected by the Israel/Palestine conflict, but these voters are so highly emotional that they can't be trusted to be swayed by a VP nomination. 

 

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Posted (edited)
16 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Tim Miller - former Republican opposition research - says this exact same thing: 

 

This this this.

Hell, even when the MAGAs attack, don't fucking retreat, don't defend.  Go full-on devil dogs at Chosin.

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C'mon brisket, any poll saying Trump will get basically half the female vote is very obvious bullshit. Stealing from bluesky:

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A ton of polls about this race have indicated that the largest political realignment in American history has happened since 2022 (with enormous shifts of minorities and women and young voters to Trump and old white people to Biden). Does that jibe with anything any single person here has seen in real life?  Sure I could see Trump making marginal gains among minorities similar to the gains he made from 2016 to 2020, and I could see Biden continuing to make gains among white voters, but nothing remotely to the degree that polls have reflected.  And there's literally nothing to corroborate the polling.  Yeah, there's been some dissatisfaction among younger voters over Gaza and indications that some younger voters won't vote, but we're not seeing reporting about actual groups of young, organized black voters turning to Trump or anything like that. I think if the largest voter realignment in American history were happening, we'd see some other evidence of it.  

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21 hours ago, Zonahorn said:

Hope y’all are ready to go to war and fight back against this every day.

lol. 

this is going to end poorly for them. it's one thing to pick on fiesty uncle Joe but he's an old white guy so nobody cares. 

start coming for kamala and you are going to get showered with coconuts amd lime green. 

fuck wit the kids at your political peril old white Republican guys. 

#teamkamala

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6 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

C'mon brisket, any poll saying Trump will get basically half the female vote is very obvious bullshit. Stealing from bluesky:

bafkreidzioozkic7y4euyndaodhoixsyocrdble

A ton of polls about this race have indicated that the largest political realignment in American history has happened since 2022 (with enormous shifts of minorities and women and young voters to Trump and old white people to Biden). Does that jibe with anything any single person here has seen in real life?  Sure I could see Trump making marginal gains among minorities similar to the gains he made from 2016 to 2020, and I could see Biden continuing to make gains among white voters, but nothing remotely to the degree that polls have reflected.  And there's literally nothing to corroborate the polling.  Yeah, there's been some dissatisfaction among younger voters over Gaza and indications that some younger voters won't vote, but we're not seeing reporting about actual groups of young, organized black voters turning to Trump or anything like that. I think if the largest voter realignment in American history were happening, we'd see some other evidence of it.  

i think that the most real thing is a slipping of the youth vote being able to say you're fighting against the shit system.  when the bad party is the party in power, youthful contrarianism is easy to focus.  now, less so.  

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21 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Mark Kelly is a:
- Veteran
-Astronaut
-Senator
-Husband to Gabby Gifford
-Common Sense Gun Control Advocate


He’s seen some shit and not a lifer politician. Pretty squeaky clean.  Like I said, I don’t care and Kamala can’t make a wrong choice for VP, unless it’s Tim Kaine. 

Why did you say that? WHYYYYYYY?
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11 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

C'mon brisket, any poll saying Trump will get basically half the female vote is very obvious bullshit. Stealing from bluesky:

bafkreidzioozkic7y4euyndaodhoixsyocrdble

A ton of polls about this race have indicated that the largest political realignment in American history has happened since 2022 (with enormous shifts of minorities and women and young voters to Trump and old white people to Biden). Does that jibe with anything any single person here has seen in real life?  Sure I could see Trump making marginal gains among minorities similar to the gains he made from 2016 to 2020, and I could see Biden continuing to make gains among white voters, but nothing remotely to the degree that polls have reflected.  And there's literally nothing to corroborate the polling.  Yeah, there's been some dissatisfaction among younger voters over Gaza and indications that some younger voters won't vote, but we're not seeing reporting about actual groups of young, organized black voters turning to Trump or anything like that. I think if the largest voter realignment in American history were happening, we'd see some other evidence of it.  

Oh, I agree that polling is broken.  But two things:

1) in line with that, I don't trust shit except for the actual final vote totals in November.  That's it.  Be on the constant attack, and run all the way through the finish line.

2) that said, both polling AND actual voting totals show as that Latinos and women are fucked in the head.  It's the stupidest, most voting-against-your-own-interests shit imaginable, but that's the timeline we live in.

Posted
1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

If this is true, seems unlikely that it would be Shapiro. And speaking just strategically, they should not put a spotlight on a powder keg issue via a VP nomination

 

I like Shapiro, but I think this is where I am as well.

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26 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

to address immigration.

Beyond that--every fucking poll coming out today was in the field before Biden withdrew.  It doesn't reflect the present reality.  They're polling a purely hypothetical matchup, which we've seen in other circumstances is very different from an actual matchup.  

No poll of consequence is going to come out before Thursday.


Word is a Marist poll is coming today that was done after the Biden dropout

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So this is petty, but I heard a radio interview with Kelly before he got into politics and about his experience in space, and it was memorable as one of the most boring and least informative interviews I've ever listened to. He would give the least interesting responses to space questions, how do you make space boring? Anyway, that's why I hope he isn't picked. 

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:


Starting to see White women on social media say they need to have a call similar to what the Black women did. I think Latina and Asian women are organizing something similar.

I need to find a way to finagle these calls into steelshank-esque tail smashing session(s).

Posted
1 hour ago, Pancho said:

 

Ok, I know the focus has been on white women, but what the hell is wrong with the 21% of black people preferring Trump?

Talk about voting for the Leopards Eating Faces Party... that's like the Jews for Hitler demographic.



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