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Posted
2 hours ago, Red Five said:

I know nothing about satellite radio ratings, but I'm gonna guess that Howard Stern isn't "low rated". 

Yeah...they pay him 120 million a year for low ratings.  

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50 minutes ago, Superhero said:

Problem with Michigan is the Arab American diaspora is sitting this one out. I have a coworker who's family lives in Michigan, and they HATE the Biden Administration. Of course they also HATE Trump. So that's why there's the uncommitted movement in Michigan.

In 2020, the more of the Muslims in Michigan voted for Biden instead of Trump. If they sit out this one, it could hurt Harris more than Trump.

Then they're more than welcome to forfeit the free legal aid if Trump wins and Muslim Ban 2.0 - Nahga-Notta-Not Gonna-Be-A-Citizen-Anymore Boogaloo breaks box office records.

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

The problem I see is her priorities. She was in a 96% white county that Trump won in 2020 by 15k votes.

 

1 hour ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Ok? You don’t see the strategy in slicing off some of that %? 

Maybe chainsaw thinks that counties work like electoral votes within states.

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1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

Maybe chainsaw thinks that counties work like electoral votes within states.

You and I both know those R voters aren't switching to Harris. They weren't waiting to hear from Liz Cheney, either. It's a high effort, low return strategy.

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2 hours ago, nbmishoid said:

It can only be half filled with smart people.

For that to happen, doesn't "smart" have to be pretty close to "average"

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

Qpac is a good pollster, and those are bad numbers. I'd rather see Kamala win than see the Longhorns win CFP, so yeah I'm going to be concerned. Conservatives are not to be trusted and usually come home in November. I am not comfortable with a strategy that places any amount of trust in them as a voting bloc.

You saw this shouldn't be a close election over and over, and the ONLY WAY to make it Not A Close Election is to appeal and get votes from motherfuckers who didn't vote for your canddiate last time. Period. Fucking Period. And yet you sit here whining and bitching about any efforts to peel off those fucking voters. It makes zero fucking sense. 

49 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

 Centrists punching left is not helpful to the cause. 

Harris has the centrists and never-trumpers locked up. While there is no reason to alienate the Dick Cheney for Kamala voters, there is also no reason to treat Dick Cheney as an angel.  I welcome his support.  I laud his daughter for standing up to Trump.  But no intelligent Republican can possibly defend a vote for Trump in 2024, after the Supreme Court removed any guardrails on his power as President  

As this election winds down, getting out the vote is crucial. The Stalinists weren’t voting for Kamala anyway, but the progressives (who are neither commie nor Stalinist) need to turn out. 

I urge centrists to punch right and draw attention to the lack of guardrails if Trump is elected—rather than minimizing the concerns of progressives. 
 

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Maybe the progressive wing should stop bitching about whinning undecided votes and get the fuck out there and whip their own votes from the impressively fickle far left, who always look for reasons to stay home. 

8 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

You and I both know those R voters aren't switching to Harris. They weren't waiting to hear from Liz Cheney, either. It's a high effort, low return strategy.

I know R voters voting D this time, so no, I do not. What I absolutely do not know is that the far left will show the fuck up and make a difference for once, becuase I don't think I've seen that one yet in my adult life. Maybe Obama, I guess. 

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38 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Peeling away an R to vote for Harris is the same electoral value as getting out two D voters to vote for her who otherwise wouldn't have. 

That's how it works. Let's say there are 22 possible voters, 20 who will vote and are split 10 R and 10 D and 2 unmotivated D voters. Changing one of those from R to D is the same value as getting both unmotivated Ds to the polls. One makes it 11-9 D, one makes it 12-10.

Or they leave the top line blank or stay home. So at worst you get the same as convincing one D. At best you get double the benefit as you said.

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Just now, chainsaw said:

You and I both know those R voters aren't switching to Harris. They weren't waiting to hear from Liz Cheney, either. It's a high effort, low return strategy.

This seems completely true, and totally in line with the flood of public Republican for Harris endorsements and general makeup of this board. 

I hate when this thread gets chainsaw'd.

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You're forgetting the fundamental rule of conservatism: they always come home.

I'm glad you personally know some first time D voters, and I hope to see more of that, but the effort required to create those votes is much greater than the effort required to get people registered and motivated in your strongholds. I am not convinced these people exist in large enough numbers to matter.

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4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

You're forgetting the fundamental rule of conservatism: they always come home.

I'm glad you personally know some first time D voters, and I hope to see more of that, but the effort required to create those votes is much greater than the effort required to get people registered and motivated in your strongholds. I am not convinced these people exist in large enough numbers to matter.

Shut up.

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Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, chainsaw said:

Well like it or not, this race is much closer than it should be. So, yeah, I'm going to criticize her strategy. This kind of performance is unacceptable.

You should ask to talk to the manager, but it seems to me you are advocating the exact coalition strategy pursued by Texas Democrats from 1998-2016, 

1 hour ago, washparkhorn said:

 Centrists punching left is not helpful to the cause. 

Harris has the centrists and never-trumpers locked up. While there is no reason to alienate the Dick Cheney for Kamala voters, there is also no reason to treat Dick Cheney as an angel.  I welcome his support.  I laud his daughter for standing up to Trump.  But no intelligent Republican can possibly defend a vote for Trump in 2024, after the Supreme Court removed any guardrails on his power as President  

As this election winds down, getting out the vote is crucial. The Stalinists weren’t voting for Kamala anyway, but the progressives (who are neither commie nor Stalinist) need to turn out. 

I urge centrists to punch right and draw attention to the lack of guardrails if Trump is elected—rather than minimizing the concerns of progressives. 
 

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Progressives are cordially invited to shut the fuck up, liberals are trying to save the world from fascism again. 

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Posted
Just now, Chuckie Finster said:

(except for the two very high profile Republicans that I have spent the entire thread arguing about)

Politicians aren't swing state voters.

Every poll I've seen, if you look at those crosstabs you'll see that their 2020 voting history corresponds with their 2024 choice at like 94%+ (so a 2020 Trump voter has a 94% chance of supporting Trump in 2024. I haven't seen anything in the polling that shows that Kamala's efforts to court the right have been even marginally successful. I'd love to see a poll that shows otherwise though. I'd be happy to eat crow

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What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you think Rick Wilson and the Never Trumpers are going to go back now? 

You want some evidence that R voters in the past are going to vote differently now? So does everyone else. We get to wait until Nov 5th. 

Stop being an ass whipping.

Posted
2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

White gays are interesting…

No they aren’t. They’re mostly racist as fuck. 

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There goes commy California trying to…turn minor crimes into felonies for recidivists.  Those loony liberals!

i wonder which one of the supporter groups listed is actually a cover for the private prison industrial complex. 

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Pancho said:

White gays are interesting…

 

I clicked on this account.  He's got #backtheblue and #vets

So, he's for the party that bashed cops heads in on Jan6, and "suckers and losers". 

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Posted
1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

You're forgetting the fundamental rule of conservatism: they always come home.

I'm glad you personally know some first time D voters, and I hope to see more of that, but the effort required to create those votes is much greater than the effort required to get people registered and motivated in your strongholds. I am not convinced these people exist in large enough numbers to matter.

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I’m not proud of my people. At all. 

She's trying to win, not win and earn style points. Politics is just the worst business, duh.

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Posted
53 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Do you think Rick Wilson and the Never Trumpers are going to go back now? 

That's my point, I guess. The NeverTrump berry is all out of juice. I'm not worried about the Rick Wilsons of the world. He isn't a swing state voter and isn't part of Trump's 15k margin of victory in Ripon. The NeverTrumpers left the GOP in 2016.

I'm just having a very difficult time imagining that there's an untapped voting bloc of people who supported Trump in 2020 but needed Liz Cheney's permission to vote for a woman of color from California. I understand the logic behind flipping an R to a D being worth more than mobilizing a nonvoter, but the degree of difficulty is so much higher. We're comparing onside kick recoveries to extra points here.

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36 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Tim Walz is a bust. Doesn't seem to be helping the campaign at all.

I don’t know about that but I do wonder if she will end up regretting not picking someone who could have helped her more assuredly win AZ, PA, or MI. 
I am disappointed that Walz did not disqualify Vance.  He allowed Vance to convince a lot of fucking people that he’s normal and not crazy. 
 

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5 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

I don’t know about that but I do wonder if she will end up regretting not picking someone who could have helped her more assuredly win AZ, PA, or MI. 

This shit has worked like once maybe twice in the last 70 years.  1960 LBJ, and that’s about it.  

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This shit has worked like once maybe twice in the last 70 years.  1960 LBJ, and that’s about it.  

Dick Cheney securing WY electoral votes was key for GWB   I kid. 

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Posted
3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

It's dumber, and more malevolent than that.  It's "people are being harmed in Gaza, so we're going to act in a way to harm people here in the US.  That'll show you."

It's political terrorism, it's not much more complicated than that.

Way to make me sympathetic to your cause (sarcasm).  I have to give you everything you want, or you'll hurt me and my family?  Fuck YOU.

Well, that guy above said it best.  They can revolt and remove someone from power.  Yay, goody, great.  But you need to consider who takes power when you do that.  Revolution without regard to the outcome is foolish.

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Posted (edited)

Tampon Tim.

At first iI thought, "What a lame ass."

Then I realized there are a BUNCH of people that would love to use that as an 'insult' and this type of thing appeals to them. 

I've gotten too uppity, apparently.

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Posted
26 minutes ago, speed817 said:

 

 

I don’t know Ron, that was more coherent than normal.

 

”Thank you for your attention to this matter” was good stuff.

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