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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Yeah who are we talking about? Who are "they"?

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6 hours ago, troph said:

Pancho’s tweet is important, debates have zero predictive value. That rubric is really interesting too. 
 

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How do you assign economic keys when the numbers say it’s good but polling says people think it’s bad?

26 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

There’s Carville, a big Republican plant, agreeing with me.  Can’t believe he has the balls to question Biden’s run… 🙄

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He clearly wants Trump to win. 

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Fuck the media. So a bad debate performance is disqualifying, but trying to actively end our democracy and being a convicted felon and rapist isn’t?

41 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I want him to withdraw because he has very little shot of beating Trump and I don’t want Trump to win. 

He's the incumbent. The odds of him beating Trump are very good.

44 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

He's the incumbent. The odds of him beating Trump are very good.

I'm not sure it matters in this one.  But I'd gladly give up making a correlation is not causation argument if Biden wins.

 

36 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

He's the incumbent. The odds of him beating Trump are very good.

Agree to disagree.  

That's and old-fashioned mindset that assumes a rational, engaged electorate.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, Biden can't distance himself from a convicted felon, who basically killed 500k+ Americans because of his COVID response, and tried to overthrow the government.

1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said:

I want him to withdraw because he has very little shot of beating Trump and I don’t want Trump to win. 

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1 hour ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Fuck the media. So a bad debate performance is disqualifying, but trying to actively end our democracy and being a convicted felon and rapist isn’t?

1) The media only cares about who is going to win. They've mistaken the idea that appearing to be non-biased requires them to focus on the winning and not the underlying mendacity and its dangers.

2) Maybe you should watch more MSNBC.

3 hours ago, immamac said:

Throughout the debate, Trump repeatedly said we are a “failing” country. He called the United States a “third world nation.” He said, “we’re living in hell” and “very close to World War III.”

Good to see the party of Reagan is scared of Putin’s empty threats, and their leader tells the world that Republicans are a bunch of bedwetters and cowards scared of the third-world shithole run by Putin.

And sure, we are failing in a few areas - here in Texas we have doubts about our power grid and its authority that *checks notes* has been run by Republicans for almost 30 years.

6 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

The odds are not at all good. Look at the odds. 

I'm going by history. 

Incumbents have a considerable advantage.

Take it for what it's worth.

27 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Agree to disagree.  

That's and old-fashioned mindset that assumes a rational, engaged electorate.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, Biden can't distance himself from a convicted felon, who basically killed 500k+ Americans because of his COVID response, and tried to overthrow the government.

You won't know that until there's actually an election.

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I'm going by history. 

Incumbents have a considerable advantage.

Take it for what it's worth.

Single most important thing in American politics

Trump almost won in 2020 despite 4 years of ass, chaos, a global pandemic that he bungled, etc.

Incumbency 

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

You won't know that until there's actually an election.

No one will.

But I'd rather not go all in with a pair of 2's.

Just now, DixonHur said:

No one will.

But I'd rather not go all in with a potato  

But anyone questioning Biden’s nomination just wants Trump to win.  Keep that in mind, nazi.  

4 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

No one will.

But I'd rather not go all in with a pair of 2's.

I get it. It's frustrating knowing that it's up to the most powerful man on earth.

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

I get it. It's frustrating knowing that it's up to the most powerful man on earth.

Which one?  Thomas or Alito?

After the debate I thought it best to remove Biden and Kamala from the ticket and get some younger centrist Dems on the ticket.  I am now honestly in a different mindset.  They need to keep Biden on the ticket and give him Adderall or any other stimulants anytime he is in the public.  HIs campaign staff are also dumb to float the "had a cold" stuff.  He should come out tomorrow and say it wasn't a cold, but he has some nasty stomach virus the day before with a fever and explosive diarrhea and he was up for 24 hours causing him to feel like shit at the debate and was pretty out of it.  Something pretty much everyone has been through at one time or another and understands and would say, "oh, now I get why he looked terrible".  Hell, if they went with the cold idea, he should have said he had a cold and took way too much cough medicine and Benadryl and it caused him to look drugged, but he is great now.  Basically, lie like the other side does. 

My grandfather built an addition to his house out of brick at 85. 
My father just built an addition to his house at 81.
Not saying that's somehow presidential, but for fuck's sake,  Biden isn't the only motherfucker running this shit,  not by a Longshot.
 

So Vin, who did you cast to play your father? Stallone? Eastwood?

Neither Thomas, nor Alito, is actually that powerful. They are known corrupted votes, locked in by corruption and batshit. You can look at any case and already know exactly how they will rule based on their feels. 

The power belongs to Roberts, Barrett, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. They pretend to be non-biased by taking turns siding with the liberal justices. 

 

4 hours ago, Red Five said:

Yeah who are we talking about? Who are "they"?

Fuck they.

 

54 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Good to see the party of Reagan is scared of Putin’s empty threats, and their leader tells the world that Republicans are a bunch of bedwetters and cowards scared of the third-world shithole run by Putin.

And sure, we are failing in a few areas - here in Texas we have doubts about our power grid and its authority that *checks notes* has been run by Republicans for almost 30 years.

Yes, but those were RINO Republicans. If we just got some real Texas patriots in there, you'd see a power grid the likes of which, no one has ever seen. 

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Forget the fact that we have 3.5 years of results to know how the party is doing and where they are going, along with a Vice President who could take over at any moment, please freak out about your debate expectations.

16 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Forget the fact that we have 3.5 years of results to know how the party is doing and where they are going, along with a Vice President who could take over at any moment, please freak out about your debate expectations.

This was meant for debate thread. But good here too

2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

I get it. It's frustrating knowing that it's up to the most powerful man on earth.

2 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Which one?  Thomas or Alito?

George Soros and Hunter Biden’s dick, according to MAGA and Trump.

On 6/18/2024 at 3:22 PM, Red Five said:


Yeah, the choice between a good president and maybe the worst person on earth.

Well, as I read the tea leaves and headlines, that good president did a bad job of convincing people who watched the 1st debate that he should get their nod. And, if you believe the media, some (many/most) in the democratic party are ready to hit the eject button for their presumed nominee. 

Just remember that in 1992, President Bush was the presumed winner and Clinton was nominated because many Dem front runners didn't want to get run over like Dukakis. And then he said no new taxes, and his reelection defeat was set in motion.

Nobody should think this is a lock, there are many hours, days & weeks to go - but after Thursdays mumblefest DJT is on much more solid footing. Not that I like that, but I recognize it for what it is. 

1 hour ago, Pods said:

Neither Thomas, nor Alito, is actually that powerful. They are known corrupted votes, locked in by corruption and batshit. You can look at any case and already know exactly how they will rule based on their feels. 

The power belongs to Roberts, Barrett, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. They pretend to be non-biased by taking turns siding with the liberal justices. 

 

Fuck they.

 

Yes, but those were RINO Republicans. If we just got some real Texas patriots in there, you'd see a power grid the likes of which, no one has ever seen. 

Pos rep esp. for Sofi Tukker. Fucking love them.

3 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

Just remember that in 1992, President Bush was the presumed winner and Clinton was nominated because many Dem front runners didn't want to get run over like Dukakis. And then he said no new taxes, and his reelection defeat was set in motion.

I think you left out a little fact for 92

23 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I think you left out a little fact for 92

Clinton's running mate inventing the Internet?

4 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Clinton's running mate inventing the Internet?

He wouldn’t do that for a few years yet. 

1 minute ago, Chewy's Hairy Horn said:

He wouldn’t do that for a few years yet. 

That's weird since I was developing websites at UT in 91. 

2 hours ago, DixonHur said:

That's weird since I was developing websites at UT in 91. 

Websites or network pages?

8 minutes ago, Slacks said:

Websites or network pages?

We called the Web Pages in the ACT Lab, but we had to use a Unix program to access them.  

It was another couple years before Mosaic came around.

6 hours ago, BearSchlong said:


So Vin, who did you cast to play your father? Stallone? Eastwood?

My dad's more like Pacino... who's Vin though?

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Maybe y'all should all quit being such pussies.  Biden or whomever else, I don't care, gets my vote in November.  I'm voting against fascism.  Full stop.  

Of course.  That's true for 90% of us.  The question isn't how the Best Since FDR! board is voting.  It's where is this election heading.  And you don't recover from "Biden's family is encouraging him to stay in the race"-level votes of no-confidence with the 20% of the electorate that will decide this thing.

The 60 number for Joe is pretty amazing, considering he has all the delegates and the convention is next month.

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Betting markets are a hilarious joke though and aren’t predictive of anything 

39 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Maybe y'all should all quit being such pussies.  Biden or whomever else, I don't care, gets my vote in November.  I'm voting against fascism.  Full stop.  

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump didn't gain a single vote from the debate. Unfortunately, he didn't lose any either.

BUT, I can pretty much guarantee that Biden lost votes from people who won't vote for either of who will now abstain from voting all together. Being the hero that's "above it all" and who can confidently say, "I didn't vote for him" whenever whoever wins does something embarrassing is an alluring draw.

If the election was tomorrow, we are indeed fucked. Thankfully, it's not. But Biden isn't getting any younger.

I bet RFK Jr or whichever other waste of a vote 3rd party where the biggest beneficiaries of the debate. Which ultimately helps Trump. 

37 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump didn't gain a single vote from the debate. Unfortunately, he didn't lose any either.

BUT, I can pretty much guarantee that Biden lost votes from people who won't vote for either of who will now abstain from voting all together. Being the hero that's "above it all" and who can confidently say, "I didn't vote for him" whenever whoever wins does something embarrassing is an alluring draw.

If the election was tomorrow, we are indeed fucked. Thankfully, it's not. But Biden isn't getting any younger.

I agree with you, but the other side of that equation is that I don't think that Biden's performance in that debate is going to get the vote out. I am afraid that there will be people who will be okay with being able to say that they didn't vote for either. 
Voting matters, but so does not voting - particularly in battleground states. Michigan is a great example; Dearborn has a large Muslim population that likely will not support like they did in the past, students (who were all promised loan forgiveness) may not go out to vote as they did, etc. 
The MAGA supporters and the Never Trumpers will all get to the polls, but Michigan will depend on the fringe not on the core supporters. I would think Wiscy, Georgia, Pennsylvania as similar

I think there will be a fair amount of people who basically say "fuck it", and don't vote.

I was talking to a very liberal friend, who lives in a swing state, and she said that for the first time in her adult life, she's not going to vote.  I tried talking sense into her be she's basically given up on America.

She's just disgusted that out of everyone in America, these are our choices.  She's white, cis and past child bearing age, so she'll be fine either way and just wants to burn it all down.

You can call her dumb, be enraged or whatever, but that's her choice, and considering how liberal she's been over the 20 years we've known each other, I just find it disheartening and a disconcerting harbinger of how others might also feel.

She did say that if the Democrats nominated "someone with a pulse", she'd vote for them.  She just won't vote if it's Biden.

Maybe she changes her mind on election day, but it's certainly has me worried that she's not alone in her thinking.

4 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

Michigan is a great example; Dearborn has a large Muslim population that likely will not support like they did in the past, students (who were all promised loan forgiveness) may not go out to vote as they did, etc. 

Going to be a lot of fucking around and finding out, it seems.  

Just now, DixonHur said:

I think there will be a fair amount of people who basically say "fuck it", and don't vote.

I was talking to a very liberal friend, who lives in a swing state, and she said that for the first time in her adult life, she's not going to vote.  I tried talking sense into her be she's basically given up on America.

She's just disgusted that out of everyone in America, these are our choices.  She's white, cis and past child bearing age, so she'll be fine either way and just wants to burn it all down.

You can call her dumb, be enraged or whatever, but that's her choice, and considering how liberal she's been over the 20 years we've known each other, I just find it disheartening and a disconcerting harbinger of how others might also feel.

She did say that if the Democrats nominated "someone with a pulse", she'd vote for them.  She just won't vote if it's Biden.

Maybe she changes her mind on election day, but it's certainly has me worried that she's not alone in her thinking.

She's not a "liberal," she's just another disinterested cog. 

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