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1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The top post when you click on the "Francis Scott Key" trending topic on X 

Actual Biden quote she posted if you click on the link: "At about 1:30 a container ship struck the Francis Scott Key bridge, which I've been over many, many times, commuting from the state of Delaware either by train or by car". 

 

It's almost like that specific person has a history of materially misrepresenting public figures, or something. There's a reason why the deacon loves her so much

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42 minutes ago, JMFP said:

Teska Autopilot crashes into motorcycle riders - why?

Because motorcycle riders are aholes.  I'm on Tesla's side here.

42 minutes ago, JMFP said:

Teska Autopilot crashes into motorcycle riders - why?

Because motorcycle riders are aholes.  I'm on Tesla's side here.

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8 hours ago, Smax said:

 

I don't mind the porn bots :) .... my wall is inundated with right wing politics. My "following" tab leaves out tweets from people I follow and fills with with right wing bullshit, doesn't matter how many time I select not interested I still get them. The "for you" tab has even more maga bullshit and now, when you click on tweet to see comments... its nothing but blue check mark accounts less then a year old spamming some crap. Elon has ruined twitter

 

The cyber truck is the ugliest vehicle ever to hit the road, it looks like something out a cheap cheesy 80s sci fi movie

This post wins yesterday’s “No fucking shit” award.  Congratulations. 

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On 3/26/2024 at 3:08 PM, Mrs Whiggins said:

Has anyone put a Texas DPS official in the passenger seat with one of these self-driving cars and, with no assist from the owner, tested the car to see if it could pass? Also, does the self-driving software enable the vehicle's cameras to look right before turning right because I've almost been killed (pedestrian/runner) numerous times had I not noticed the driver wasn't looking my way. That's all I got.


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11 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Things are moving along as expected 

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Odds that the very same political leaders who are up in arms about porn dirtying up the minds of our precious youth will take action against X similar to their suits against Pornhub and such?  What's that?  Chances are 0.0%, because no way will they go after Elon?  Gosh, you're a cynical bunch.

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https://jalopnik.com/teslas-quality-control-is-so-bad-customers-are-taking-d-1851369990\

 

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Tesla’s build quality problems are well known; from panel gaps to crummy interiors to glass roofs that just fly off for no reason, it’s safe to say customers should be on the lookout when they purchase a brand-new Tesla. The Cybertruck has been just as bad as previous models, despite its over $100,000 price tag. Customers looking to protect themselves against the company they’re giving 100 grand to can now use aftermarket checklists to ensure all the problems with their brand new truck are recorded. 

 

 

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We first spotted the forms on Bluesky by a post from automotive writer and critic E.W. Niedermeyer. An Etsy seller by the name of EverydayChrisTesla is selling a 10-page Tesla Cybertruck delivery checklist for $4.99. That price gets you a “comprehensive” .pdf document to help Cybertruck owners double check their own vehicles. It’s even got Tesla-style font and branding! From the Etsy description:

 

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TESLA Cybertruck Delivery CHECKLIST!

Got your new Tesla Cybertruck? Take the stress out of figuring out what to look for that needs to be fixed! This is a thorough checklist that keeps you organized and prevents you from forgetting the small things before it’s TOO LATE to fix!

 

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This entrepreneur provides checklists for every other Tesla model for owners to check for manufacturing errors specific to that model. For instance, the Cybertruck checklist says to check for imperfections and defects in the stainless steel body and to inspect the weather seals and LED lighting in the cargo bed. The checklist for the Model 3 — as well as the new Highland refresh — has things to check for like windows and making sure the hood and other body panels are flush. 

This is pretty sad, when you think about it. If Tesla completed similar checklists before delivery, customers wouldn’t need to inspect every inch of their immensely expensive purchase. In fact, the seller makes sure to mention that the checklists are “UNOFFICIAL” and, “created by a Tesla owner, but is not affiliated nor endorsed by Tesla, Inc.”

Instead of being up in arms about quality issues on one of the most expensive purchases most people will ever make, Tesla customers are selling ways to double check quality problems to other owners. It’s safe to say, no other automaker could ever get away with something like this.

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://jalopnik.com/teslas-quality-control-is-so-bad-customers-are-taking-d-1851369990\

 

 

 

 

 

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This entrepreneur provides checklists for every other Tesla model for owners to check for manufacturing errors specific to that model. For instance, the Cybertruck checklist says to check for imperfections and defects in the stainless steel body and to inspect the weather seals and LED lighting in the cargo bed. The checklist for the Model 3 — as well as the new Highland refresh — has things to check for like windows and making sure the hood and other body panels are flush. 

This is pretty sad, when you think about it. If Tesla completed similar checklists before delivery, customers wouldn’t need to inspect every inch of their immensely expensive purchase. In fact, the seller makes sure to mention that the checklists are “UNOFFICIAL” and, “created by a Tesla owner, but is not affiliated nor endorsed by Tesla, Inc.”

Instead of being up in arms about quality issues on one of the most expensive purchases most people will ever make, Tesla customers are selling ways to double check quality problems to other owners. It’s safe to say, no other automaker could ever get away with something like this.

 

 

 

 

That's just necessary because Tesla is so EXTREME and HARDCORE and NOT WOKE.  Only WOKE cars are manufactured up to exacting standards of quality.  You don't want a WOKE car, do you?  That's WOKE MIND VIRUS thinking!

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

That's just necessary because Tesla is so EXTREME and HARDCORE and NOT WOKE.  Only WOKE cars are manufactured up to exacting standards of quality.  You don't want a WOKE car, do you?  That's WOKE MIND VIRUS thinking!

The opposite of WOKE is ASLEEP. So you’re saying that Tesla is sleeping on the job?

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I feel like I should start inoculating my commentary with the following two standing statements:

1.  Musk has revealed himself to be an incredible piece of shit.  I used to be ambivalent about him, but find myself more and more in the camp that he just needs to shut up and go away.

2.  The Cybertruck is a terrible hunk of shit from concept to execution. 

 

That said, here goes...

Tesla has earned a lot of scrutiny with their quality issues, but let's not pretend that they are unique in the industry:

Toyota Prius

Ford F-150

Chevy Camaro

My Volvo XC90 has been in the shop twice in two years to replace a known quality issue with the electric heating element.

 

For 2024, Consumer Reports has Tesla as the highest rated American auto manufacturer for reliability.  

Tesla gets the extra scrutiny because it has revolutionized the auto industry and people are very interested in what the company does, and people generally dislike Musk.

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33 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

For 2024, Consumer Reports has Tesla as the highest rated American auto manufacturer for reliability.  

Tesla gets the extra scrutiny because it has revolutionized the auto industry and people are very interested in what the company does, and people generally dislike Musk.

yeah man, fuck straight off with this dumb as hell take.

Tesla ranks #14 of 30 in the Consumer Reports reliability rankings. here's the top 20. if you are buying a vehicle and even kind of considering reliability as one of the things you are thinking about - you absolutely, totally and completely, do not buy a fucking Tesla nor do you buy an EV at all. a 48 out of 100 is abysmal.

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Tesla is closer to #30(Chrysler at a score of 18) than they are to Toyota (#1 at 79)

here is the CR info on powertrain info, which also shits on Tesla due to the powertrain:

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Hybrid vehicles were found to have the best reliability among powertrain types. Consumer Reports found that, on average, hybrid vehicles have 26% fewer problems than gas vehicles. Fully-electric vehicles had 79% MORE problems, and plug-in hybrids scored the worst by far with 146% more problems than gas vehicles.

As a category, electric cars scored 44, and electric SUVs earned a score of 43 across the growing segment. Full-sized electric pickup trucks make up the least reliable category, with an average reliability score of 30.

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for what it's worth Toyota has 7 of the 10 most reliable cars in this survey, the other 3 are the BMW x5, Subaru Forester and the Acura RDX

but sure, if you want a fucking Tesla you can make sure you defend it however you want. just don't try to use something like reliability as a reason to buy one.

side note, are we acting like Buick (GM division) is not an American auto manufacturer now? they score higher than Tesla

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how do you even identify an "American made" car now?

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There's no 2023 model-year vehicle in the world that's made entirely in the U.S., according to a American Automobile Labeling Act report compiled by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

Tesla claims 100% but that NHTSA list has them at anywhere between 60-75% made in the USA - which genuinely is awesome for them.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2023-03/MY2023-AALA-Alphabetical-3-31-23.pdf

other cars in the top 10 made in the USA below are the ID.4 EV (somewhere between 65-75% depending on trim level) and the Passport (at 75%),

here's the top 15 American Made cars per Cars.com: https://www.cars.com/articles/2023-cars-com-american-made-index-which-cars-are-the-most-american-467465/

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A substantial year-over-year boost in employment at its plant in Austin, Texas — where the No. 1-ranked Model Y is produced — aided all Teslas in our workforce calculations and ultimately lifted the Model X and Model S, lagging of yesteryear, to complete the sweep.

The appearance of multiple Hondas won’t come as a surprise to followers of the index. The automaker continues to feature prominently thanks to the Odyssey, Passport, Pilot and Ridgeline — all of which are built in Alabama. Its Ohio plants are well represented in the top 15 by the Acura MDX, RDX and TLX, as well as by the Honda Accord. It’s also worth once again noting the Passport’s overall U.S. and Canadian parts content of 75% — a requirement of the original AMI and a bar many models once met. It’s a struggle for most vehicles in 2023 to hit even 60%.

That parts content mix is a key reason behind this year’s outlier at the top, the Volkswagen ID.4. After its model-year 2021 debut as a German-made vehicle, production shifted for examples sold in the U.S. to VW’s plant in Chattanooga, Tenn., replacing space on the line once held by the Passat sedan. With some (but, unlike the Passport, not all) variants of the ID.4 hitting 75% U.S. and Canadian parts content, plus powertrains credited entirely to the U.S. (more on that in a minute), the ID.4 settles comfortably at the sharp end in its first appearance.

 

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for what it's worth here are the 3 highest rated Consumer Reports cars and their % American in that report above:

  • Toyota 4Runner: 100% Japan
  • Toyota Camry Hybrid: 45% USA, 30% Japan
  • Toyota Camry: 65% USA, 10% Japan

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edit: again, this guy is acting like scoring 14th in the most reliable cars ranking is a good thing! 14th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here is how the Toyota models score!

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just for a shitty comparison, here is the buick:

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here is the nissan:

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27 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I feel like I should start inoculating my commentary with the following two standing statements:

1.  Musk has revealed himself to be an incredible piece of shit.  I used to be ambivalent about him, but find myself more and more in the camp that he just needs to shut up and go away.

2.  The Cybertruck is a terrible hunk of shit from concept to execution. 

 

That said, here goes...

Tesla has earned a lot of scrutiny with their quality issues, but let's not pretend that they are unique in the industry:

Toyota Prius

Ford F-150

Chevy Camaro

My Volvo XC90 has been in the shop twice in two years to replace a known quality issue with the electric heating element.

 

For 2024, Consumer Reports has Tesla as the highest rated American auto manufacturer for reliability.  

Tesla gets the extra scrutiny because it has revolutionized the auto industry and people are very interested in what the company does, and people generally dislike Musk.

And yet you bought Elon’s laughable prediction that your Tesla will be an income producing robotaxi hook, line and sinker. So while you profess to dislike him, you went all-in on his snake oil.

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5 minutes ago, NoName said:

yeah man, fuck straight off with this dumb as hell take.

Tesla ranks #14 in the Consumer Reports reliability rankings. here's the top 20. if you are buying a vehicle and even kind of considering reliability as one of the things you are thinking about - you absolutely, totally and completely, do not buy a fucking Tesla.

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here is the CR info on powertrain info:

 

for what it's worth Toyota has 7 of the 10 most reliable cars in this survey, the other 3 are the BMW x5, Subaru Forester and the Acura RDX

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side note, are we acting like Buick (GM division) is not an American auto manufacturer now?

how do you even identify an "American made" car now?

Tesla claims 100% but that NHTSA list has them at anywhere between 60-75% - which genuinely is awesome.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2023-03/MY2023-AALA-Alphabetical-3-31-23.pdf

other cars in the top 10 below are the ID.4 EV (somewhere between 65-75% depending on trim level) and the Passport (at 75%),

here's the top 15 American Made cars per Cars.com: https://www.cars.com/articles/2023-cars-com-american-made-index-which-cars-are-the-most-american-467465/

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I didn't say American-made.  I said American manufacturer.  I posted a link to the latest Consumer Reports rating that has them in the middle of the pack and ahead of the big three, considerably.    People in this thread continually throw Tesla under the bus a if it is a unique outlier in build quality in reliability, and it's just not true.

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5 minutes ago, royiv said:

And yet you bought Elon’s laughable prediction that your Tesla will be an income producing robotaxi hook, line and sinker. So while you profess to dislike him, you went all-in on his snake oil.

That was only part of the calculus that went into my decision.  The main factor is that I wanted to support the development of self-driving technology and experience it firsthand.

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14 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

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I didn't say American-made.  I said American manufacturer.  I posted a link to the latest Consumer Reports rating that has them in the middle of the pack and ahead of the big three, considerably.    People in this thread continually throw Tesla under the bus a if it is a unique outlier in build quality in reliability, and it's just not true.

oh my god man.

if you want a reliable car 1) you don't buy an EV and 2) you don't buy from the big 3

if you want a car made in america, go re-read my info above. it goes into it.

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funny enough, their spread is also shit comparatively. even though trucks score notoriously badly in these rankings

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but sure man. die on the platform, if you are buying american made cars and buying for reliability you really are dumb as hell.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

That was only part of the calculus that went into my decision.  The main factor is that I wanted to support the development of self-driving technology and experience it firsthand.

Lol. Paying to be a beta tester.

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1 minute ago, royiv said:

Lol. Paying to be a beta tester.

LOL all you want, but I have a car that drives itself.  I enjoy it.  It has had a continuously improving level of self-driving features since I purchased it over three years ago.  Latest update with v 12.3.1 is impressive.

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7 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

LOL all you want, but I have a car that drives itself.  I enjoy it.  It has had a continuously improving level of self-driving features since I purchased it over three years ago.  Latest update with v 12.3.1 is impressive.

With the added bonus of putting money in the pocket of a traitorous sack of shit that is facilitating and cheering on the downfall of American society! Way to go!

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47 minutes ago, NoName said:

just don't try to use something like reliability as a reason to buy one

But that's not what I have been doing.  I'm not touting Tesla as some model of reliability.  I've simply been saying that their quality issues are not unique in the industry.  That's it.  

47 minutes ago, NoName said:

side note, are we acting like Buick (GM division) is not an American auto manufacturer now? they score higher than Tesla

Yep.. I missed Buick ahead of Tesla there.  My bad. 

 

Doesn't change my overall point, though.  Tesla is not uniquely bad with quality issues, despite the fact that they have only been manufacturing vehicles at large scale for less than a decade.

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6 minutes ago, royiv said:

With the added bonus of putting money in the pocket of a traitorous sack of shit that is facilitating and cheering on the downfall of American society! Way to go!

Fuck outta here with this.  A lot has changed in the last three and a half years since I bought it.

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7 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Fuck outta here with this.  A lot has changed in the last three and a half years since I bought it.

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Cool. Keep enjoying driving your MAGA hat on wheels while sniffing your own farts and stanning for Tesla and Elon. 

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1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

I feel like I should start inoculating my commentary with the following two standing statements:

1.  Musk has revealed himself to be an incredible piece of shit.  I used to be ambivalent about him, but find myself more and more in the camp that he just needs to shut up and go away.

2.  The Cybertruck is a terrible hunk of shit from concept to execution. 

 

That said, here goes...

Tesla has earned a lot of scrutiny with their quality issues, but let's not pretend that they are unique in the industry:

Toyota Prius

Ford F-150

Chevy Camaro

My Volvo XC90 has been in the shop twice in two years to replace a known quality issue with the electric heating element.

 

For 2024, Consumer Reports has Tesla as the highest rated American auto manufacturer for reliability.  

Tesla gets the extra scrutiny because it has revolutionized the auto industry and people are very interested in what the company does, and people generally dislike Musk.

 

You know what you should do? Heed the advice "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt." You're the one defending Tesla and Elon here, not anyone else. You could have kept quiet about this and been fine - instead you are getting rightly flamed because:

1. You started this. No one called you out, no one said for you to say anything about Tesla.

2. The "other cars suck, so the Tesla can suck too" isn't some sort of great defense.

3. When you are factually wrong (the Consumer Reports thing), you are going to take it on the chin.

 

My advice to you is sit down junior and leave this thread for the big boys.

 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

 

But that's not what I have been doing.  I'm not touting Tesla as some model of reliability.  I've simply been saying that their quality issues are not unique in the industry.  That's it.  

Yep.. I missed Buick ahead of Tesla there.  My bad. 

 

Doesn't change my overall point, though.  Tesla is not uniquely bad with quality issues, despite the fact that they have only been manufacturing vehicles at large scale for less than a decade.

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1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

Tesla has earned a lot of scrutiny with their quality issues, but let's not pretend that they are unique in the industry:

My first post today.  NoName fits your meme better.

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1 hour ago, NoName said:

yeah man, fuck straight off with this dumb as hell take.

Tesla ranks #14 of 30 in the Consumer Reports reliability rankings. here's the top 20. if you are buying a vehicle and even kind of considering reliability as one of the things you are thinking about - you absolutely, totally and completely, do not buy a fucking Tesla nor do you buy an EV at all. a 48 out of 100 is abysmal.

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Tesla is closer to #30(Chrysler at a score of 18) than they are to Toyota (#1 at 79)

here is the CR info on powertrain info, which also shits on Tesla due to the powertrain:

for what it's worth Toyota has 7 of the 10 most reliable cars in this survey, the other 3 are the BMW x5, Subaru Forester and the Acura RDX

but sure, if you want a fucking Tesla you can make sure you defend it however you want. just don't try to use something like reliability as a reason to buy one.

side note, are we acting like Buick (GM division) is not an American auto manufacturer now? they score higher than Tesla

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how do you even identify an "American made" car now?

Tesla claims 100% but that NHTSA list has them at anywhere between 60-75% made in the USA - which genuinely is awesome for them.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2023-03/MY2023-AALA-Alphabetical-3-31-23.pdf

other cars in the top 10 made in the USA below are the ID.4 EV (somewhere between 65-75% depending on trim level) and the Passport (at 75%),

here's the top 15 American Made cars per Cars.com: https://www.cars.com/articles/2023-cars-com-american-made-index-which-cars-are-the-most-american-467465/

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for what it's worth here are the 3 highest rated Consumer Reports cars and their % American in that report above:

  • Toyota 4Runner: 100% Japan
  • Toyota Camry Hybrid: 45% USA, 30% Japan
  • Toyota Camry: 65% USA, 10% Japan

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edit: again, this guy is acting like scoring 14th in the most reliable cars ranking is a good thing! 14th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here is how the Toyota models score!

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here are the Tesla models:

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just for a shitty comparison, here is the buick:

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here is the nissan:

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I couldn’t gaf about Tesla, especially their cars, but that list you provided has all sorts of funky shit in it. Mini and X5’s as some of the most reliable vehicles?  Subaru? Did they stop the test at 40k miles before the timing belts explode?  There’s a millions reasons to point and laugh at Tesla, shouldn’t need paid programming from Toyota to accomplish it. 

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3 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Tesla is the number two selling vehicle brand in CA, which is hardly MAGA country.   But keep up with this and someday fetch may actually happen for you.

Actually, it's hardcore MAGA country.  May have more MAGA voters there than most any other state.  Sure, they're slightly outnumbered by non pieces of shit (well, at least they're not pieces of shit for THAT reason....I mean, some of 'em are fucking Dodgers fans, so definitely pieces of shit), but there are still many millions of them.

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19 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

3. When you are factually wrong (the Consumer Reports thing), you are going to take it on the chin.

 

My advice to you is sit down junior and leave this thread for the big boys.

I admitted that I missed Buick and their 170K vehicles ahead of Tesla on the reliability ranking.  Imagine that, someone on the Surl admitting that they made a mistake.

But it doesn't change my point AT ALL.  So they were second on a list of twelve American manufacturers in that particular ranking.   

Reading this echo chamber circle jerk thread would leave you with the impression that Tesla is bottom of the barrel for quality and reliability.  And it's just not factual.

  

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