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26 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

Now, I wonder which brand/car will fill the Tesla void for those who despise Elon Musk and all he stands for.

Toyota, Honda, Kia, Hyundai. Take your pick, all four have better looking EVs than Tesla. Bonus, they don’t have anybody confusing adhesives with lubricants (probably because their employees are not hardcore and instead are out getting laid).

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data published by the Potential Energy Coalition. This is based on a range of national surveys and messaging tests, with inputs from nearly 60,000 people.
It’s worth noting that Americans are some of the most reluctant EV adopters across the world. In 2022, just 8% of new cars sold were electric.¹ That’s far lower than the global average (14%) and way lower than in the EU (21%), UK (23%), China (29%), and enthusiasts such as Norway.
You can see these comparisons – based on data from the International Energy Agency – in the chart below. We’re still waiting for new IEA figures to come in for 2023, but I expect the overall differences between countries will be similar.
As we’ll soon see, there is a large partisan divide in attitudes to EVs. But, interestingly, in a poll conducted by the University of Maryland and the Washington Post, the same share of Republicans and Democrats owned one.
This is all to say that the US is one of the toughest markets to crack. If things really get moving there, we can be much more confident about uptake in other countries.
 
Up until like 2022 it wasn't considered unethical for a Democrat to buy a Tesla. In fact they probably proudly did so until Elon went publicly off the reservation. Now, I wonder which brand/car will fill the Tesla void for those who despise Elon Musk and all he stands for.
Small sample size among progressive friends but: Evs by Mercedes, BMW, Nissan and Honda. At least two of those pivoted from Tesla due to Elon's bullshit.
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6 hours ago, NoName said:

FYP broken again

currently

  • 3 tweets in a row about the mavericks game yesterday from the same account (all 21 hours ago)
  • 2 more tweets about the mavs from 2 different accounts
  • 1 tweet from the initial 3 tweets in a row account about Mavs game (20 hours ago)
  • tweet about Luka from 20 hours ago
  • mavs in game highlight from 20 hours ago
  • soccer account with quote in it from 20 hours ago
  • another tweet from the first account about mavs game from 20 hours ago
  • another tweet from the soccer account from 20 hours ago
  • Elon Musk tweet about Sheetz 20 hours ago
  • 2 more soccer tweets about a game yesterday

Sunday morning it loaded street fights and someone getting their dick sucked on a subway platform . Some other uncensored nudity too. I was just trying to find out the basketball and boxing highlights the night before on my feed lol.

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38 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Keep scrolling through the comments on that thread.

Holy shit, it’s Nazis all the way down. It’s horrifyingly amazing.

 

Right?  There is a subset of Twitter that is still legitimate news, sports, whatnot.  Then there's this whole other part of Twitter that is the absolute worst that humanity has to offer.

Twitter isn't much different than the internet as a whole.  Thing is, you have to actively go looking for the deplorable shit on the internet, where on Twitter it can get served up to you at will.   It's a feature, not a bug.

Elon is all about free speech, alright.  He wanted a platform where the worst in humanity is guaranteed a online home.

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1 hour ago, BeardIP said:

Up until like 2022 it wasn't considered unethical for a Democrat to buy a Tesla. In fact they probably proudly did so until Elon went publicly off the reservation. Now, I wonder which brand/car will fill the Tesla void for those who despise Elon Musk and all he stands for.

Who talks like this?  Fucking weirdo.

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Seems like Elon will not be vacationing down under anytime soon. Funny, a South African known to control what his people can say, complaining about censorship.

SYDNEY, April 23 (Reuters) - Elon Musk lashed out at Australia's prime minister on Tuesday after a court ordered his social media company X to take down footage of an alleged terrorist attack in Sydney, and said the ruling meant any country could control "the entire internet".
At a hearing overnight, Australia's Federal Court ordered X, formerly called Twitter, to temporarily hide posts showing video of the incident a week earlier, in which a teenager was charged with terrorism for knifing an Assyrian priest and others.
 
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Tesla driver on Autopilot caused fatal Highway 522 crash, police say

The driver was reportedly on his phone with his Tesla on Autopilot on Friday when he crashed into Jeffrey Nissen, killing him.

Jonathan Tall
  • Monday, April 22, 2024 2:44pm
A Tesla electric vehicle is seen at a Tesla electric vehicle charging station at Willow Festival shopping plaza parking lot in Northbrook, Ill., Saturday, Dec. 3, 2022. A Tesla driver who had set his car on Autopilot was “distracted” by his phone before reportedly hitting and killing a motorcyclist Friday on Highway 522, according to a new police report. (AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh)

MALTBY — A Tesla driver who had set his car on Autopilot was “distracted” by his phone before reportedly hitting and killinga motorcyclist Friday on Highway 522, according to a new police report.

Around 3:45 p.m., a Snohomish man in a 2022 Tesla Model S was driving home behind a motorcyclist at Fales Road in Maltby, according to the report.

The man, 56, had activated Tesla’s Autopilot feature. He was using his phone when he heard a bang as his car lurched forward and crashed into the motorcycle in front of him, troopers wrote.

The motorcyclist, Jeffrey Nissen, was ejected. The Tesla was lodged on top of him, police said.

The Tesla driver exited his car and called police. Nissen died at the scene. He was 28.

Using sobriety and drug recognition tests, authorities determined the driver was not impaired by drugs or alcohol, according to the report. Troopers arrested the Tesla driver for investigation of vehicular homicide while driving distracted.

Troopers wrote the driver’s inattention while his car was on Autopilot, “putting the trust in the machine to drive for him,” gave them probable cause to arrest the man. He was booked into the Snohomish County Jail.

Tesla’s Autopilot feature has come under regulatory and legal scrutiny. Since 2019, at least 17 people have been killed in crashes involving Teslas in Autopilot mode, The Washington Post reported in June.

The crash came a day before Tesla slashed the price of its Full Self-Driving software from $12,000 to $8,000.

The technology does not mean the car is autonomous. Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability are “intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment,” according to the company’s website.

The man posted $100,000 bail and was released from jail Sunday night.

Jonathan Tall: 425-339-3486;jonathan.tall@heraldnet.com; Twitter: @snocojon.

 

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Tesla driver on Autopilot caused fatal Highway 522 crash, police say

The driver was reportedly on his phone with his Tesla on Autopilot on Friday when he crashed into Jeffrey Nissen, killing him.

Jonathan Tall
  • Monday, April 22, 2024 2:44pm
A Tesla electric vehicle is seen at a Tesla electric vehicle charging station at Willow Festival shopping plaza parking lot in Northbrook, Ill., Saturday, Dec. 3, 2022. A Tesla driver who had set his car on Autopilot was “distracted” by his phone before reportedly hitting and killing a motorcyclist Friday on Highway 522, according to a new police report. (AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh)

MALTBY — A Tesla driver who had set his car on Autopilot was “distracted” by his phone before reportedly hitting and killinga motorcyclist Friday on Highway 522, according to a new police report.

Around 3:45 p.m., a Snohomish man in a 2022 Tesla Model S was driving home behind a motorcyclist at Fales Road in Maltby, according to the report.

The man, 56, had activated Tesla’s Autopilot feature. He was using his phone when he heard a bang as his car lurched forward and crashed into the motorcycle in front of him, troopers wrote.

The motorcyclist, Jeffrey Nissen, was ejected. The Tesla was lodged on top of him, police said.

The Tesla driver exited his car and called police. Nissen died at the scene. He was 28.

Using sobriety and drug recognition tests, authorities determined the driver was not impaired by drugs or alcohol, according to the report. Troopers arrested the Tesla driver for investigation of vehicular homicide while driving distracted.

Troopers wrote the driver’s inattention while his car was on Autopilot, “putting the trust in the machine to drive for him,” gave them probable cause to arrest the man. He was booked into the Snohomish County Jail.

Tesla’s Autopilot feature has come under regulatory and legal scrutiny. Since 2019, at least 17 people have been killed in crashes involving Teslas in Autopilot mode, The Washington Post reported in June.

The crash came a day before Tesla slashed the price of its Full Self-Driving software from $12,000 to $8,000.

The technology does not mean the car is autonomous. Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability are “intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment,” according to the company’s website.

The man posted $100,000 bail and was released from jail Sunday night.

Jonathan Tall: 425-339-3486;jonathan.tall@heraldnet.com; Twitter: @snocojon.

 

When your testing products on the public, a few innocent people will have to die. 

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26 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Elon Musk – Dead at 52 – Says There Is No Need for Misinformation Laws

Billionaire Elon Musk, found dead in his home last night, says it is not the role of social media networks to determine what is true or not.

The Tesla and X owner, who is believed to have died from a heroin overdose while watching animal porn, said he would fight any attempts to stop the spread of misinformation on his platform.

 

Police revealed that Musk, who says it is up to the public to decide what was true or not, had been fighting incest charges at the time of his death.

His funeral is next week.

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This is an updated version of the article: Mark Zuckerberg – Dead at 36 – Says Social Media Sites Should Not Fact Check Posts

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Was hoping it wasn’t. 

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11 hours ago, Captainant said:

It really is fucking weird that all you know is culture war framing for literally everything in life. Why would people want to do business with someone who welcomes no-shit nazis onto his privately owned platform?

I was sharing data that showed an equal number of Dems and GOP own EV's.

The lionshare of those EVs are Teslas.

The reason so many Dems own Teslas is because it used to be an ethical purchase for Dems up until a certain point (and you can almost track that point by looking at this 366 page thread and finding the inflection point where it went from Musk and Tesla has defenders to where there was near universal derision and disgust.)

I'm sure there is a segment of the population of who drive their Tesla with some shame (and we've seen on this thread pics of people who have the bumper stickers that say something like "I bought this before I knew Elon sucked"), but for the most part Democrats will still want to buy EVs but NOT Teslas. So my question was, I wonder what EV will benefit from Elon turning off half of his total addressable market.

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9 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Seems like Elon will not be vacationing down under anytime soon. Funny, a South African known to control what his people can say, complaining about censorship.

SYDNEY, April 23 (Reuters) - Elon Musk lashed out at Australia's prime minister on Tuesday after a court ordered his social media company X to take down footage of an alleged terrorist attack in Sydney, and said the ruling meant any country could control "the entire internet".
At a hearing overnight, Australia's Federal Court ordered X, formerly called Twitter, to temporarily hide posts showing video of the incident a week earlier, in which a teenager was charged with terrorism for knifing an Assyrian priest and others.
 

https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/23/24138062/elon-musk-fighting-australia-stabbing-video-x-twitter-censorship

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Elon Musk is currently embroiled in a battle with Australian authorities over demands for X to remove violent content of a stabbing that took place during a livestreamed service at a church in Sydney last week. Musk is arguing that such decisions could give countries the power to control “the entire internet,” while the Australian government is arguing that geoblocking content isn’t enough in its plea for decency and social responsibility.

“Our concern is that if ANY country is allowed to censor content for ALL countries, which is what the Australian ‘eSafety Commissar’ is demanding, then what is to stop any country from controlling the entire Internet?” said Musk, noting that the objectionable content is already geoblocked in Australia and only resides on US servers.

Meanwhile, Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said that “social media companies, that make a lot of money out of their business, have a social responsibility” to remove violent content from their platforms.

On Monday, the Australian eSafety Commission argued that geoblocking did not meet the definition of removal of the footage under the Online Safety Act, which gives Commissioner Julie Inman Grant power to order the removal of materials that “promotes, incites, instructs in or depicts abhorrent violent conduct, such as kidnapping, rape, torture, murder, attempted murder and terrorist acts” if it could “go viral and cause significant harm to the Australian community.”

This dispute started on April 16th, when Meta and X — formerly known as Twitter — were ordered by Inman Grant to globally remove videos and imagery of the stabbing within 24 hours or risk facing fines that depend on “the gravity of the non-compliance.” The maximum penalty is about $500,000 per violation, according to The Wall Street Journal. In a blog post on Monday, Meta said it had complied with the order to “protect the community from harmful content.”

 

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X’s Global Government Affairs team responded with a statement a few days later, noting it had complied with the order despite claiming the posts don’t violate the platform’s rules on violent speech. X said it would challenge the global takedown order in court and claimed they “go against the very principles of a free and open internet and threaten free speech everywhere.” 

On Monday, the Federal Court of Australia hit X with an injunction compelling the platform to temporarily hide the violent content for global users until the court can determine the validity of Inman Grant’s removal notice.

“We’ll do what’s necessary to take on this arrogant billionaire who thinks he’s above the law, but also above common decency,” Albanese told ABC News on Tuesday. “The idea that someone would go to court for the right to put up violent content on a platform shows how out-of-touch Mr Musk is. Social media needs to have social responsibility with it. Mr Musk is not showing any.”

Musk has lashed out multiple times on X over the ruling, accusing the Australian prime minister and eSafety commissioner of limiting global free speech. “Should the eSafety Commissar (an unelected official) in Australia have authority over all countries on Earth?” Musk said in a post, having previously referred to Inman Grant as the “Australian censorship commissar.”

Earlier this month, Musk had a face-off against Brazil after he claimed to have defied orders to block certain X user accounts, prompting an investigation over potential obstruction of justice. The spat was later settled on April 15th after a letter from Musk’s lawyers said that “all orders issued by this Supreme Court and the Superior Electoral Court will continue to be fully complied with by X Corp.”

 

do these people think stabbing videos are good for the platform, advertisers, normal users, etc?

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Tesla driver on Autopilot caused fatal Highway 522 crash, police say

The driver was reportedly on his phone with his Tesla on Autopilot on Friday when he crashed into Jeffrey Nissen, killing him.

Jonathan Tall
  • Monday, April 22, 2024 2:44pm
A Tesla electric vehicle is seen at a Tesla electric vehicle charging station at Willow Festival shopping plaza parking lot in Northbrook, Ill., Saturday, Dec. 3, 2022. A Tesla driver who had set his car on Autopilot was “distracted” by his phone before reportedly hitting and killing a motorcyclist Friday on Highway 522, according to a new police report. (AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh)

MALTBY — A Tesla driver who had set his car on Autopilot was “distracted” by his phone before reportedly hitting and killinga motorcyclist Friday on Highway 522, according to a new police report.

Around 3:45 p.m., a Snohomish man in a 2022 Tesla Model S was driving home behind a motorcyclist at Fales Road in Maltby, according to the report.

The man, 56, had activated Tesla’s Autopilot feature. He was using his phone when he heard a bang as his car lurched forward and crashed into the motorcycle in front of him, troopers wrote.

The motorcyclist, Jeffrey Nissen, was ejected. The Tesla was lodged on top of him, police said.

The Tesla driver exited his car and called police. Nissen died at the scene. He was 28.

Using sobriety and drug recognition tests, authorities determined the driver was not impaired by drugs or alcohol, according to the report. Troopers arrested the Tesla driver for investigation of vehicular homicide while driving distracted.

Troopers wrote the driver’s inattention while his car was on Autopilot, “putting the trust in the machine to drive for him,” gave them probable cause to arrest the man. He was booked into the Snohomish County Jail.

Tesla’s Autopilot feature has come under regulatory and legal scrutiny. Since 2019, at least 17 people have been killed in crashes involving Teslas in Autopilot mode, The Washington Post reported in June.

The crash came a day before Tesla slashed the price of its Full Self-Driving software from $12,000 to $8,000.

The technology does not mean the car is autonomous. Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability are “intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment,” according to the company’s website.

The man posted $100,000 bail and was released from jail Sunday night.

Jonathan Tall: 425-339-3486;jonathan.tall@heraldnet.com; Twitter: @snocojon.

 

So THATS why 522 was closed on Friday and traffic sucked going home. 

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...this is why he fired the ad team?

"too generic"

look at this funny lady who liked it, then said it lacked the wow factor

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also, Musk in the last 30 days has 2000+ tweets! which are numbers only exceeded by these people

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for comparison here are how many tweets the other accounts in the top 10 most followed (per social blade) have sent in the last 30 days

  • Obama: 23
  • CR7: 20
  • Bieber: 0 (actually he deleted 4 in the last 30 days so he has -4)
  • Rihanna: 11
  • Katy Perry: 29
  • Nardendra Modi (indian PM): 589
  • Taylor Swift: 14
  • Trump: 0
  • Ariana Grande: 113

looking at the rest of the top 25 with a notable # of tweets

  • NASA: 164
  • youtube: 390
  • Kim Kardashian: 39
  • X: 51
  • CNN: 192
  • CNN Breaking News: 160
  • NYT: 1813

NYT is #25 in followers.

so just to be clear, he has more tweets in the last 30 days than the #2-24 most followed accounts on his website...combined

all while, on paper, being the CEO of SpaceX, the CEO of Tesla and the CEO of Twitter.

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i kind of love how this guy has gone from a misunderstood genius to someone who is going to be a case study for how not to run a business, any business. terrible rebrands, terrible business decisions DAILY, fumbling a years long lead on EVs, waiving due diligence, firing off dumb lawsuits, major course changes within days/weeks/months of making the decision, horrible executive hiring practices, etc

what a fucking moron.

 

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9 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Seems like Elon will not be vacationing down under anytime soon. Funny, a South African known to control what his people can say, complaining about censorship.

SYDNEY, April 23 (Reuters) - Elon Musk lashed out at Australia's prime minister on Tuesday after a court ordered his social media company X to take down footage of an alleged terrorist attack in Sydney, and said the ruling meant any country could control "the entire internet".
At a hearing overnight, Australia's Federal Court ordered X, formerly called Twitter, to temporarily hide posts showing video of the incident a week earlier, in which a teenager was charged with terrorism for knifing an Assyrian priest and others.
 

Elon: go ask the prime minister 

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13 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


Keep scrolling through the comments on that thread.

Holy shit, it’s Nazis all the way down. It’s horrifyingly amazing.

 

14 minutes ago, NoName said:

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One thing about the new Twitter/X is that without authentic verification, the Nazis can easily have multiple accounts similar to what this woman did with hers. She has at least 3 accounts apparently. People did that on the Dorsey version as well, but there was an attempt at least to minimize some of the damage due to bot swarms of hate, etc.

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

When *your testing products on the public, a few innocent people will have to die. 

*you're

 

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25 minutes ago, NoName said:

...this is why he fired the ad team?

"too generic"

look at this funny lady who liked it, then said it lacked the wow factor

jfo8xw5sn4wc1.png

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also, Musk in the last 30 days has 2000+ tweets! which are numbers only exceeded by these people

9mrqpy4jqcb41.jpg

for comparison here are how many tweets the other accounts in the top 10 most followed (per social blade) have sent in the last 30 days

  • Obama: 23
  • CR7: 20
  • Bieber: 0 (actually he deleted 4 in the last 30 days so he has -4)
  • Rihanna: 11
  • Katy Perry: 29
  • Nardendra Modi (indian PM): 589
  • Taylor Swift: 14
  • Trump: 0
  • Ariana Grande: 113

looking at the rest of the top 25 with a notable # of tweets

  • NASA: 164
  • youtube: 390
  • Kim Kardashian: 39
  • X: 51
  • CNN: 192
  • CNN Breaking News: 160
  • NYT: 1813

NYT is #25 in followers.

so just to be clear, he has more tweets in the last 30 days than the #2-24 most followed accounts on his website...combined

all while, on paper, being the CEO of SpaceX, the CEO of Tesla and the CEO of Twitter.

edward-norton-as-miles-bron-in-glass-oni

i kind of love how this guy has gone from a misunderstood genius to someone who is going to be a case study for how not to run a business, any business. terrible rebrands, terrible business decisions DAILY, fumbling a years long lead on EVs, waiving due diligence, firing off dumb lawsuits, major course changes within days/weeks/months of making the decision, horrible executive hiring practices, etc

what a fucking moron.

 

Musk is an idiots/poors version of what a CEO is.   

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13 hours ago, Covri said:

Sunday morning it loaded street fights and someone getting their dick sucked on a subway platform . Some other uncensored nudity too. I was just trying to find out the basketball and boxing highlights the night before on my feed lol.

hmm... I might have given up on twitter prematurely.

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3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

https://www.heraldnet.com/news/tesla-driver-on-autopilot-caused-fatal-highway-522-crash-police-say/

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Tesla driver on Autopilot caused fatal Highway 522 crash, police say

The driver was reportedly on his phone with his Tesla on Autopilot on Friday when he crashed into Jeffrey Nissen, killing him.

Jonathan Tall
  • Monday, April 22, 2024 2:44pm
A Tesla electric vehicle is seen at a Tesla electric vehicle charging station at Willow Festival shopping plaza parking lot in Northbrook, Ill., Saturday, Dec. 3, 2022. A Tesla driver who had set his car on Autopilot was “distracted” by his phone before reportedly hitting and killing a motorcyclist Friday on Highway 522, according to a new police report. (AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh)

MALTBY — A Tesla driver who had set his car on Autopilot was “distracted” by his phone before reportedly hitting and killinga motorcyclist Friday on Highway 522, according to a new police report.

Around 3:45 p.m., a Snohomish man in a 2022 Tesla Model S was driving home behind a motorcyclist at Fales Road in Maltby, according to the report.

The man, 56, had activated Tesla’s Autopilot feature. He was using his phone when he heard a bang as his car lurched forward and crashed into the motorcycle in front of him, troopers wrote.

The motorcyclist, Jeffrey Nissen, was ejected. The Tesla was lodged on top of him, police said.

The Tesla driver exited his car and called police. Nissen died at the scene. He was 28.

Using sobriety and drug recognition tests, authorities determined the driver was not impaired by drugs or alcohol, according to the report. Troopers arrested the Tesla driver for investigation of vehicular homicide while driving distracted.

Troopers wrote the driver’s inattention while his car was on Autopilot, “putting the trust in the machine to drive for him,” gave them probable cause to arrest the man. He was booked into the Snohomish County Jail.

Tesla’s Autopilot feature has come under regulatory and legal scrutiny. Since 2019, at least 17 people have been killed in crashes involving Teslas in Autopilot mode, The Washington Post reported in June.

The crash came a day before Tesla slashed the price of its Full Self-Driving software from $12,000 to $8,000.

The technology does not mean the car is autonomous. Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability are “intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment,” according to the company’s website.

The man posted $100,000 bail and was released from jail Sunday night.

Jonathan Tall: 425-339-3486;jonathan.tall@heraldnet.com; Twitter: @snocojon.

 

 

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

When your testing products on the public, a few innocent people will have to die. 

 

22 minutes ago, Nivek said:

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“Distracted Driver Kills Motorcyclist” doesn’t really get the clicks does it?

Tesla’s Autopilot is not FSD.  It’s different software altogether.  But that’s beside the point.  
 

If the headline was “Ford Driver Using Cruise Control with Lane Assist Caused Fatal Crash” no one would give it a second look, because…

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11 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Tesla’s Autopilot is not FSD.  It’s different software altogether.  But that’s beside the point.  
 

Maybe dipshit shouldn't call it Autopilot then. Since, you know, most people driving are dipshits. 

 

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34 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

 

 

“Distracted Driver Kills Motorcyclist” doesn’t really get the clicks does it?

Tesla’s Autopilot is not FSD.  It’s different software altogether.  But that’s beside the point.  
 

If the headline was “Ford Driver Using Cruise Control with Lane Assist Caused Fatal Crash” no one would give it a second look, because…

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Yeah, no one gave Ford crap for their rollover prone vehicles....

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18 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Maybe dipshit shouldn't call it Autopilot then. Since, you know, most people driving are dipshits. 

 

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Maybe so, but there are plenty of dipshits who also misunderstand cruise control.   
 

This is my anecdotal evidence, but I get more reminders and warnings from my Tesla’s driver assist features than I have ever gotten from any other make of vehicle. 
 

I have a Volvo that has TACC and lane-keeping.  I get nothing but a “ding” when I engage it.  I have also had it turn off the lane-keeping function with no notice multiple times.  It’s quite disconcerting.  I am far more comfortable using Tesla’s features than the Volvo’s. 

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3 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

This is my anecdotal evidence, but I get more reminders and warnings from my Tesla’s driver assist features than I have ever gotten from any other make of vehicle. 

I have a Volvo that has TACC and lane-keeping.  I get nothing but a “ding” when I engage it.  I have also had it turn off the lane-keeping function with no notice multiple times.  It’s quite disconcerting.  I am far more comfortable using Tesla’s features than the Volvo’s. 

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...of course adaptive cruise control alerts you less than FSD. it exists for a very specific use case, has a much smaller scope and typically you don't have it on all the time.

...so of course it is going to drop in significantly fewer notifications than FSD Beta. or it certainly should.

here's what Volvo's website says about their Adaptive Cruise Control:

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Adaptive Cruise Control helps your Volvo maintain a set speed or time interval in relation to the vehicle ahead.  This feature utilizes a camera as well as a radar sensor to detect slower moving vehicles ahead of you and automatically adjusts your Volvo's speed.  Once you are no longer behind the vehicle you will speed back up to your preset speed.  To activate the function, you must be driving at speeds 9 mph (15 km/h) or higher, the seatbelt needs to be fastened, and the doors need to be closed.  

Note: This system is designed to be a supplementary driving aid.  It is not intended to replace the driver's attention and judgment.  Adaptive Cruise Control cannot cover all driving situations and traffic, weather and road conditions.  ACC is not a collision avoidance system!  It does not sense pedestrians, animals, bicycles, or motorcycles.  You, as the driver, are always responsible for braking the vehicle.

ACC is absolutely not a 1:1 comparison for FSD - and again, you know that.

come on, dude.

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10 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

Maybe so, but there are plenty of dipshits who also misunderstand cruise control.   
 

This is my anecdotal evidence, but I get more reminders and warnings from my Tesla’s driver assist features than I have ever gotten from any other make of vehicle. 
 

I have a Volvo that has TACC and lane-keeping.  I get nothing but a “ding” when I engage it.  I have also had it turn off the lane-keeping function with no notice multiple times.  It’s quite disconcerting.  I am far more comfortable using Tesla’s features than the Volvo’s. 

Serious question as you seem to genuinely like the Tesla as a car and driving experience based on your posting history here: do you have any ethical qualms regarding being a current Tesla owner? On any level does it give you "the ick", as the kids say?

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...of course adaptive cruise control alerts you less than FSD. it exists for a very specific use case, has a much smaller scope and typically you don't have it on all the time.

...so of course it is going to drop in significantly fewer notifications than FSD Beta. or it certainly should.

here's what Volvo's website says about their Adaptive Cruise Control:

ACC is absolutely not a 1:1 comparison for FSD - and again, you know that.

come on, dude.

I should have been more clear.  I am comparing my experience with Tesla's TACC and Autopilot (lane-keeping) to my experience with Volvo's.  Tesla has more overt notifications when engaging these systems along with on-screen warnings as compared to Volvo.  Driver-monitoring is more frequent and obvious in the Tesla than the Volvo.

FSD is a different animal.  

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3 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I should have been more clear.  I am comparing my experience with Tesla's TACC and Autopilot (lane-keeping) to my experience with Volvo's.  Tesla has more overt notifications when engaging these systems along with on-screen warnings as compared to Volvo.  Driver-monitoring is more frequent and obvious in the Tesla than the Volvo.

FSD is a different animal.  

funny enough IIHS gave both the FSD and Autopilot a P (Poor) rating on safety, which is the same as the Volvo Pilot Assist

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/partial-automation-safeguards

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to be fair, all but 3 tested systems got poor ratings. the Lexus version got an A (Acceptable), the GM and Nissan version version got an M (Marginal)

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15 minutes ago, NoName said:

ACC is absolutely not a 1:1 comparison for FSD - and again, you know that.

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But that's the problem with a lot of the discussion in this thread.  People continually conflate Tesla's Autopilot features with FSD.  Tesla's "Autopilot" feature is simply TACC + Lane-keeping.  Tesla's Enhanced Autopilot takes it a step further and adds in automatic lane changes based on traffic conditions and set speed.  There is a third level of Autopilot called "Navigate on Autopilot" which will navigate highway interchanges and take highway exits.  FSD (Supervised) - the current revised Tesla nomenclature - does all of the above plus navigation on city streets.

The vehicle in the article above was in "Autopilot" = TACC + Lane-keeping. 

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2 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

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But that's the problem with a lot of the discussion in this thread.  People continually conflate Tesla's Autopilot features with FSD.  Tesla's "Autopilot" feature is simply TACC + Lane-keeping.  Tesla's Enhanced Autopilot takes it a step further and adds in automatic lane changes based on traffic conditions and set speed.  There is a third level of Autopilot called "Navigate on Autopilot" which will navigate highway interchanges and take highway exits.  FSD (Supervised) - the current revised Tesla nomenclature - does all of the above plus navigation on city streets.

The vehicle in the article above was in "Autopilot" = TACC + Lane-keeping. 

It's a weird thing to name, market and hype something as autopilot, as a word that people know and use with a specific meaning, and then put the onus on people to understand that what they mean is actually not even close to autopilot.

Don't you think so?

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7 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

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But that's the problem with a lot of the discussion in this thread.  People continually conflate Tesla's Autopilot features with FSD.  Tesla's "Autopilot" feature is simply TACC + Lane-keeping.  Tesla's Enhanced Autopilot takes it a step further and adds in automatic lane changes based on traffic conditions and set speed.  There is a third level of Autopilot called "Navigate on Autopilot" which will navigate highway interchanges and take highway exits.  FSD (Supervised) - the current revised Tesla nomenclature - does all of the above plus navigation on city streets.

The vehicle in the article above was in "Autopilot" = TACC + Lane-keeping. 

Tesla should be better at naming things, marketing those things and explaining why they have value so people buy those things. instead, they just fired their entire US-based advertising team.

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7 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

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But that's the problem with a lot of the discussion in this thread.  People continually conflate Tesla's Autopilot features with FSD.  Tesla's "Autopilot" feature is simply TACC + Lane-keeping.  Tesla's Enhanced Autopilot takes it a step further and adds in automatic lane changes based on traffic conditions and set speed.  There is a third level of Autopilot called "Navigate on Autopilot" which will navigate highway interchanges and take highway exits.  FSD (Supervised) - the current revised Tesla nomenclature - does all of the above plus navigation on city streets.

The vehicle in the article above was in "Autopilot" = TACC + Lane-keeping. 

That's a shitty and misleading name for a feature then. It should be actioned by the FTC because people are buying Tesla's thinking they can do autopilot, like the name would suggest. 

And further, you're continuing to not address that your $10,000 paid beta software is just as poor at unsupervised driving as the current "norm"

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