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8 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

God forbid my kids encounter the challenges my wife and I did.  IVF is often the only hope for some couples.  Freezing embryos due to illness, necessity or the myriad of other circumstances is a real thing.  If this becomes national, my goodness what a travesty.

Us too, right there with you. IUI for the first, IVF for the 2nd and the third natural, born exactly 53 weeks after #2.  The chemistry was there, the body was accepting and we got lucky/fortunate our third was conceived w/o any help.  I dont know why but this topic just really pissed me off when I saw it on the nightly news last night.  I even called my state rep this morning to make voice my take with her.

At the risk of going CR, Im considering voting Dem for the first time in my life due to women's body issues.  Rant done.

I hear you, and it pisses me off too.  This was always going to be the next move following Roe v. Wade being overturned, as it's an easier sell for the mouthbreathers.  Contraception will be next.  I go back and forth between being rallied to fight harder and getting despondent that the nutbags have already managed to take control of the country, and there's no turning back anymore.

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1 minute ago, RDCanecutter said:

Texas will feel the need to top this. Then Alabama, devilishly creative in rules twisting, will go even farther. Repeat.

Masturbation is murder.  Just wait. 

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Meh, reported for politics!  IVF is a partisan issue!  AHHH!!!!!!

Somebody, possibly Frank Stallone, put it in the head the idea of some leaders/decision makers that stem cells stored from your child's cord blood to help them later in life with medical issues could be used/replicated/stolen for nefarious purposes.  So the possibility of that practice being outlawed is now a possibility in Texas.  So good luck when your kid gets Leukemia.  Frank's gonna burn this whole fucking thing to the ground.

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4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Masturbation is murder.  Just wait. 

Also, cremation is corpse abuse, meant to prevent them from rising up intact during the Rapture.

Pets are false children and therefore contribute to the non-life of unconceived children by people who dote on their dogs and knit them sweaters.

Hell I oughta run for office.

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32 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

 

I will join the support group - my story is slightly different though, we went through fertility treatment and the long path that it takes you. That path ended with 2 failed IVF procedures, and previously several failed IUI treatments. We had at least 3 IVF specialists that we worked with, and after the last IVF one of the Dr's said that we should consider adoption. That hit us both very hard; but we regrouped. 

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Long story short - we are adoptive parents to out 2 oldest kids (they are just kids, not adopted kids...but enough on that rant) and then we also were able to have 2 more from our own natural process, which was very unusual. Our 2 middle kids are 6 months apart, as we were 3 months pregnant when our 2nd child was born. 
Obviously there is more to those stories - but to the uninitiated, this ruling in Alabama is fucking wrong, IVF and IUI procedures rely on stimulating a womans ovaries to produce more than 1/ -2 eggs per cycle, those eggs are then harvested and petri-dish inseminated and embryo transfer is a few days later. If all goes well more embryos are harvested than will be implanted (unless you are the Octo-Mom), the rest can be frozen, used for research, donated or destroyed. The Alabama ruling has shut down IVF/IUI because it changes the legality of dealing with science.
I know that it is easy for some people to make a snap judgement about where life starts, but our generation and the science that we live with has made this a much different moral and legal dilemma. I can tell you that there is some real soul searching as you make decisions about how many embryos to implant, what to do with remaining embryo.
We met many people going through this process, through a support group Mrs Fairway found, and we all helped each other with the decisions that are made along the way, the crushing disappointments and the amazing elation when their is success. 
To take this process away from couples who struggle to have children is like finding a reason to stop science and it is a big FU from those who think that what they believe is the only right in the world. Most who have not faced this challenge cannot fathom the depth of the issue, nor do many care. Ironically, many of those who say they want to save the child because every life is precious, are the same people who support the death penalty (or at least that has been my life experience) 
I will get of my high horse and stop preaching now, and sorry to anyone who thought this crossed the CR  line.

 

Thank you for that Wally.   Those of us who have experienced this journey/choice know the path is arduous.  Mrs Jdhorn and I got married later in life and thus started a family later;  for the younger folks here, women often incur a thinning of the lining needed for attachment.  Being in our mid-30's, time was not on our side.   After our first was born in '04 through IUI, we wrestled with IVF.  Our decision really came down to.....50 years from now  will we be able to say to ourselves we exhausted all options of having our own , 2nd child.  IVF is not cheap , you know better than most , and we decided to give it a go.  Fortunately for us it took on the first try and we were blessed with 1 of the 4 placed being born.  IVF rarely works the first time and there is the possibility of the egg splitting, ie octomom.  Our Dr did not believe in reduction, so that is a painful, stressful few weeks.

Ive been doing some additional reading this morning, and it seems likley this may only be a pause.  The State Legislature of AL will be taking up the matter soon and we can only pray more pragmatic laws are enacted, one can only hope.  HTF did someone gain access to that part of the hospital?!

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So bottom line, population decline is an issue.  Replacement theory is held in high regard by many in the South.  And the grand solution is to make getting pregnant more difficult?  

It is literally impossible some of you are this fucking stupid.  

I guess it's fitting we're joining the SEC.  

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It's estimated that some 60% of pregnancies don't make it to term.  (It's not an exact number, because this would be difficult to pin down, but that's what I've read.)

So is a miscarriage -- ANY miscarriage, regardless of circumstance -- soon to be manslaughter, murder 2, whatever in red states?

Don't answer that.

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Yeah, to that point.  I didn't really realize how many pregnancies just sorta self-terminate, for lack of a better term.  Nature kinda knows what to do.  I mean it can end up bad, but usually it works itself out...hence the 8 fucking billion people on this rock right now.  But this is where we are headed.  And no CR because pregnancy is obviously a ballot issue (sarcasm implied).  If you are a white woman, you must carry the baby to term.  All else is commentary.  

My wife and I's first one was tough, but she bounced back well.  The second miscarriage was a kick in the gut.  4-5 months along, then resulting tissue complications from the D&C and had to wait for a couple of years of recovery and trying again.  Plus we were getting into our late 30's.  That the choices we made not that long ago will soon be outlawed by people that have probably endured the same suffering is beyond the pale.  

This is all being done to pander to the lowest common denominator of our citizenry.  And many more women are going to have to physically suffer.  And many more children will be born into suffering.  Because we need a temporary stop-gap to stop the bleeding of a dying train of thought.  Some of you are going to lose loved ones to lack of proper female health care, or not ever know loved ones unborn because of IVF pathway removal.  And I will laugh at your suffering every goddamn day of my life.  Yours is the last gasping breath of a nearly-extinct way of life.

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4 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I will forever be amazed that a significant number of Longhorn grads will mock every single aspect of aggy, yet decide that political issues are where those goobers have it correct.

Yeah this.  I've always laughed at them, but it took me until the last few years to realize there's thousands of Longhorn graduates who are totally content to live and behave and civically engage precisely as Aggies to with every bit of delusion and ignorance and then explain it away, "Well, yeah...I'm an insanely cruel dipshit...but I at least I don't wear maroon on Saturdays."  As if that somehow justifies their stupidity.  I mean I'm all for punishing women and children, but I have the decency to do it a smart looking Peter Millar burnt-orange sleeveless vest...we're not savages here. 

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We just got pregnant with our second one, fortunately without the need for IVF. But fuck, if every appointment isn't extra nerve-wracking here in the early going, wondering what will happen if something goes horribly wrong with the fetus or my wife's health? It really sucks having to even entertain the the thought of fleeing the state to avoid needless misery, should the worst come to pass.

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2 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

Does this mean more butt seks?

Any sex that does not lead to conception is going to be criminalized. That’s where this is headed. The gays, hetero butt sex. If there’s sperm being ejaculated with no chance of fertilizing an egg, it’s wrong and illegal 

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What's next:

- destruction of an embryo will likely be treated as murder in Alabama.

- the rights of embryos will be extended the same rights as born children in Alabama.

- IVF is legal in Alabama - but only one embryo transfer at a time, no matter the quality of the embryo and every embryo created MUST be transferred.

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Any sex that does not lead to conception is going to be criminalized. That’s where this is headed. The gays, hetero butt sex. If there’s sperm being ejaculated with no chance of fertilizing an egg, it’s wrong and illegal 

not a fake

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1 minute ago, yoladu said:

The extraction is a surgical procedure under anesthesia that is not fun. Nor is the 3 weeks of daily injections at home leading up to it.

Now, The implantation of the fertilized egg is relatively simple. Take 2 minutes and done (that's what she said).

That is why you extract as many eggs as possible in one procedure. It sucks. No woman wants to go thru that each time for a single egg.

Plus, if the first one(s) don't take, you have frozen backups on the bench ready for a another simple implantation and don't have to go thru the extraction process again.

 

(typing all that out just reinforces the notion that the true intent of these fuckwads is to truly make women suffer)

 

Yes lawmakers in Italy tried a similar approach in the early 2000s but repealed it 5 years later because it was cruel and infeasible.

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29 minutes ago, Js1 said:

If there’s sperm being ejaculated with no chance of fertilizing an egg, it’s wrong and illegal 

Good news for all the men who have had vasectomies:  their semen (theoretically) contains no sperm.  

Whew!  Whack away!

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Also, to my recollection.. let's say they extract 15 eggs during the procedure. the doctors attempt to fertilize all 15 eggs, but after the blastocyst period before implantation, some are deemed superior, others not so much. I am not sure what the typical ratio (of good to bad) is or the criteria upon which each fertilized egg is evaluated, but they definitely cull out the bad ones and don't try freeze those.

are discarding the "bad" ones murder too?

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You know, I've been all around the world twice.  And met everybody once.  Even had a few exotic adventures in the bedroom along the way.  But I have honestly never, ever heard the term "Recreational Sex" until this week.

I mean, is that like oral or vaginal penetration in somebody's Rec Room or Den?  Or like as a cardio workout?  I'm old but I'm still learning.  And we are willing to learn.  Would they send us someplace special, or?  

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9 minutes ago, yoladu said:

The extraction is a surgical procedure under anesthesia that is not fun. Nor is the 3 weeks of daily injections at home leading up to it. and not mention the physical discomfort of producing multiple eggs

Now, The implantation of the fertilized egg is relatively simple. Take 2 minutes and done (that's what she said).

That is why you extract as many eggs as possible in one procedure. It sucks. No woman wants to go thru that each time for a single egg.

Plus, if the first one(s) don't take, you have frozen backups on the bench ready for a another simple implantation and don't have to go thru the extraction process again.

 

(typing all that out just reinforces the notion that the true intent of these fuckwads is to truly make women suffer)

 

It is also expensive as shit. 

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