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2 hours ago, aggie08 said:

But I also think that these athletes will continue to be a rarity, and the idea that it could become commonplace for men to transition just so they can dominate women's sports to be some extreme low-IQ, slippery-slope fear mongering.

I have no idea what the correct answer is. I just know the correct answer isn't creating a culture war out of this thing that directly affects so few people

Are people allowed to discuss and hold positions on any topic out of principle alone?

Or will you gatekeep the discussion by poisoning the well unless the topic exceeds some rarity threshold?

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16 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

 

 

Being against trans in opposite-birth-gender sports is 77% of those who took a position.

Which is the 2nd strongest consensus after being FOR protection of trans in other aspects of society (86%)

 

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Question stated without any reference to rules that are in place at every major competitive level. So most respondents are thinking Randy Savage wearing a bow and competing against women. The discussion is meaningless without that context, and the most vocal don't give a shit because their sole interest is in virtue signaling. 

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1st issue that is completely ignored is safety.  Example 1 Payton McNabb.

RALEIGH, N.C. (TND) — A high school volleyball player who suffered severe head and neck injuries resulting in long-term concussion symptoms after a girl she says is transgender spiked a ball in her face is now speaking out publicly for the first time.

"Due to the North Carolina High School Athletic Association policy allowing biological males to compete against biological females my life has forever been changed," Payton McNabb, now a senior at Hiwassee Dam High School in Murphy, North Carolina, said during a Thursday committee hearing of the North Carolina state legislature.

McNabb indicated that, to this day, she is still recovering from her injuries, and continues to face other health struggles as a result of what happened, such as impaired vision, partial paralysis on the right side of her body, constant headaches, anxiety and depression.

Injured volleyball player speaks out after alleged transgender opponent spiked ball at her (wlos.com)

 

2.  One of her own teammates has joined the lawsuit against her

SJSU Volleyball Player Joins Lawsuit Against NCAA’s Transgender Policies (thespearsjsu.com)

 

3.  There is not one Olympic or world record that a female holds over a male.  To deny or downplay physical differences between the sexes in nonsense. 

Florence Griffith-Joyner set the WR in 1988 with a 10.49 100m.  This is accomplished by thousands of high school boys every year.

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Posted (edited)
16 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

So maybe its not a hate thing?

You don't think people in favor of laws limiting the medical treatment a trans person can get, limiting where they can go to the bathroom, and limiting whether their very existence can be taught about at school don't have some fucking hate in their heart? 

Women use men's restrooms at public events all the fucking time because of the lines. There is no law against it. The people in favor of laws for trans people ONLY want those laws to apply to trans people. It is punishment. It is hate. That's all the fuck it is. 

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4 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

Are people allowed to discuss and hold positions on any topic out of principle alone?

Or will you gatekeep the discussion by poisoning the well unless the topic exceeds some rarity threshold?

Absolutely, my stance is rooted in principle. Humans have been competing in sports for thousands of years. This issue was manufactured by a group of people who want to demonize a group of people. I’m against demonizing groups of people. If the folks who created this wedge issue would reevaluate their approach and come at it with a thoughtful discussion involving multiple stakeholders and craft a solution that doesn’t put trans athletes at risk for public humiliation or worse, then hell yeah, let’s do that. Until that happens, the folks who manufactured this culture war shit can go fuck themselves.

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5 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Question stated without any reference to rules that are in place at every major competitive level. So the implication for most respondents is Randy Savage wearing a bow and competing against women. The discussion is meaningless without that context, and the most vocal don't give a shit because their sole interest is in virtue signaling. 

If you’re talking about the question of this poll alone, yes its necessarily a broad question to gauge the general sentiment on various trans issue (not a forensic study of sports). 

The polling is done primarily online, so there is no incentive or social credit to virtue signal through faking a response. 

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2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

You don't think people in favor of laws limiting the medical treatment a trans person can get, limiting where they can go to the bathroom, and limiting whether their very existence can be taught about at school don't have some fucking hate in their heart? 

Women use men's restrooms at public events all the fucking time because of the lines. There is no law against it. The people in favor of laws for trans people ONLY want those laws to apply to trans people. It is punishment. It is hate. That's all the fuck it is. 

You're changing the discussion.  The polling he presented showed that a majority support the protections you outline above while a majority also do not support biological males participating in female sports.

Basically, there are a shitload of people who are against it for reasons other than hate.

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4 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Women use men's restrooms at public events all the fucking time because of the lines. There is no law against it.

Tell me about it. I thought the benefit of being a dude at a Taylor Swift concert was going to be short lines for the men’s room. Instead I had to muscle past dozens of females (or were they?!?!?) so I could whip out my dong at a urinal.

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3 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

1st issue that is completely ignored is safety.  Example 1 Payton McNabb.

RALEIGH, N.C. (TND) — A high school volleyball player who suffered severe head and neck injuries resulting in long-term concussion symptoms after a girl she says is transgender spiked a ball in her face is now speaking out publicly for the first time.

"Due to the North Carolina High School Athletic Association policy allowing biological males to compete against biological females my life has forever been changed," Payton McNabb, now a senior at Hiwassee Dam High School in Murphy, North Carolina, said during a Thursday committee hearing of the North Carolina state legislature.

McNabb indicated that, to this day, she is still recovering from her injuries, and continues to face other health struggles as a result of what happened, such as impaired vision, partial paralysis on the right side of her body, constant headaches, anxiety and depression.

Injured volleyball player speaks out after alleged transgender opponent spiked ball at her (wlos.com)

 

2.  One of her own teammates has joined the lawsuit against her

SJSU Volleyball Player Joins Lawsuit Against NCAA’s Transgender Policies (thespearsjsu.com)

 

3.  There is not one Olympic or world record that a female holds over a male.  To deny or downplay physical differences between the sexes in nonsense. 

Florence Griffith-Joyner set the WR in 1988 with a 10.49 100m.  This is accomplished by thousands of high school boys every year.

1. People get injured in sports all the time. It does not take a transgender person for it to happen. 

2. I don't think anyone is downplaying the biologic differences. The primary issue is hormones and the fact is that there is a wide range of values even among those with same chromosomes. Sex isn't strictly binary and neither is hormonal distribution. There is a discussion to be had within individual sports and how to divide competitors up. But it certainly doesn't need to be legislated or unified across all sports. 

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16 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

The male athlete today is nothing like the male athlete of 30 years ago.  You can go to a 15U AAU game and multiple male children are dunking like you say 23 year old Skinner can.

My only point was the best womens basketball athletes play volleyball right now. 

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4 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

You're changing the discussion.  The polling he presented showed that a majority support the protections you outline above while a majority also do not support biological males participating in female sports.

Basically, there are a shitload of people who are against it for reasons other than hate.

No. I'm not. I've already said that opinions on it varied. But I've also pointed out that vocal element pushing the issue now aren't doing it out of concern for fairness in women's sports. They are doing it out of hate. And that is what that polling shows. That 41% that want transgender folks to be forced to use a certain bathroom under penalty of law? That's fucking hate. That's all it is. These are the same folks that wanted blacks to use colored facilities. Its the same discriminatory story repeating itself. 

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2 minutes ago, royiv said:

Absolutely, my stance is rooted in principle. Humans have been competing in sports for thousands of years. This issue was manufactured by a group of people who want to demonize a group of people. I’m against demonizing groups of people. If the folks who created this wedge issue would reevaluate their approach and come at it with a thoughtful discussion involving multiple stakeholders and craft a solution that doesn’t put trans athletes at risk for public humiliation or worse, then hell yeah, let’s do that. Until that happens, the folks who manufactured this culture war shit can go fuck themselves.

And for thousands of years in basically every sport in every society, the competition is segregated by gender. 

What is the potential “thoughtful solution” here? Because I’ve not seen a single proposal yet, but only accusations of malice for daring to even broach this subject. 

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lol at a pro women’s team beating a top flight high school boys team. Most women have to shoot the ball at a laughably low release point, they’d really struggle to score from the outside. It’d have to all be breakaway layups or quick cuts.

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1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

No. I'm not. I've already said that opinions on it varied. But I've also pointed out that vocal element pushing the issue now aren't doing it out of concern for fairness in women's sports. They are doing it out of hate. And that is what that polling shows. That 41% that want transgender folks to be forced to use a certain bathroom under penalty of law? That's fucking hate. That's all it is. These are the same folks that wanted blacks to use colored facilities. Its the same discriminatory story repeating itself. 

I would agree that 100% of those that favor bathroom laws support a ban on biological males playing female sports.  But not vice versa.

And I am under the impression that this thread is about biological males playing female sports.

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2 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

And for thousands of years in basically every sport in every society, the competition is segregated by gender. 

What is the potential “thoughtful solution” here? Because I’ve not seen a single proposal yet, but only accusations of malice for daring to even broach this subject. 

Posters keep saying there's nuance or differing opinions but then also say anyone who is questioning it is doing so out of hate.

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1 minute ago, Helobious said:


lol at a pro women’s team beating a top flight high school boys team. Most women have to shoot the ball at a laughably low release point, they’d really struggle to score from the outside. It’d have to all be breakaway layups or quick cuts.

The whole divergence into ‘well i guarantee heres 1/2/3 examples of a professional female athlete better at x/y/z than most of you men’ is predictably dull

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6 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

And for thousands of years in basically every sport in every society, the competition is segregated by gender. 

What is the potential “thoughtful solution” here? Because I’ve not seen a single proposal yet, but only accusations of malice for daring to even broach this subject. 

Hi. 

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1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

I hear the senate race ads. It’s a political issue because Lia Thomas does happen, and it’s viewed as wokeness run amok. Leaving rule making to an utterly toothless organization like the NCAA is dangerous, and I am pretty certain in instances like Thomas (not a great number I would imagine), it’s not a vocal minority. It’s the majority, at the very least, and probably vast majority. 

Having said that, as I said, it’s not an issue I get wound up about. And absolutely there are bigger fish to fry. 

So we need to pass legislation based on one single athlete? What a waste of government resources.

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

The whole divergence into ‘well i guarantee heres 1/2/3 examples of a professional female athlete better at x/y/z than most of you men’ is predictably dull

I started the discussion with many men think they can compete with elite women athletes. In one survey 12% of men - JAGs - thought they could handle a Serena Williams serve and score a point off of her serve. Absent a double fault on her part (which isn’t out of the question) that’s just insanely sexist. 

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9 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

And for thousands of years in basically every sport in every society, the competition is segregated by gender. 

What is the potential “thoughtful solution” here? Because I’ve not seen a single proposal yet, but only accusations of malice for daring to even broach this subject. 

Haven’t read the thread have you?

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2 hours ago, royiv said:

Who cares? How is this even an issue that anyone gives a shit about? Do people really think that cisgender men are going to electively transition to compete in women’s sports? This issues is so incredibly ridiculous. 

Why would one have to think to care?

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6 minutes ago, troph said:

I started the discussion with many men think they can compete with elite women athletes. In one survey 12% of men - JAGs - thought they could handle a Serena Williams serve and score a point off of her serve. Absent a double fault on her part (which isn’t out of the question) that’s just insanely sexist. 

JAGs cannot.  But the 203 ranked male in the world beat her 6-1, 6-2 and said he took it easy on her.

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Just now, troph said:

Hi. 

I was gonna tag/quote you in that question actually.

I like you, and have never written a single bad word against you, though we may have disagreed in good faith. So lets start from basics:

Should sports be segregated? On what basis? If your current biological measurements all align outside your birth group, does it invalidate that grouping — ie should it be ignored for basis of segregation? What is the alternative?

 

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1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

This is just straight up bullshit. Professional women's basketball players would wipe the floor with any high school team. How can you be this fucking dumb? It's fine not to enjoy women's basketball, but this is an absolute dogshit take.

Congratulations. On a thread full of shitty takes, yours outdistances everybody else's shitty take by 300%. Basketball is a sport dominated by height, speed, strength and athleticism. Is it your theory that while they are getting dunked on, blocked, muscled out for rebounds, and constantly smoked down the court on fast breaks, the  women would ultimately pull out the win due to their crisp, fundamentally sound bounce  passes? 

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8 minutes ago, troph said:

I started the discussion with many men think they can compete with elite women athletes. In one survey 12% of men - JAGs - thought they could handle a Serena Williams serve and score a point off of her serve. Absent a double fault on her part (which isn’t out of the question) that’s just insanely sexist. 

Serena averages 106 on her serve and a max of 128.  High school boys serve over 100mph in the high levels of UTSA, and routinely hit and return serves this hard.  The pace on their groundstrokes is also equal, but the consistency and shot making are not world class like Serena.  I've seen the radar guns at academies and tournaments etc.  She would still destroy them in a match, but return of serve/win a point etc wouldn't be an issue for many.

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9 minutes ago, royiv said:

Haven’t read the thread have you?

Ive counted in the thread 3 to 4 instances (including yours) policing the discourse to the tune of: something rational should be done. people only talk about this now because theyre hateful. 
 

except, curiously, that something is never explained. 

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2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Except that is literally false.  FFS, the ACTUAL TRANS PERSON ON THIS THREAD EXPRESSED A MIXED VIEWPOINT.  Most of us believe that there is surely a rational and balanced way to approach the issue, and we lament that the current "conversation" has ZERO interest in finding such a way.

I think the issue is that there simply isn’t a solution that’s simultaneously ‘fair’ to biological females and transitioned females. This has been discussed for several years now and I’ve yet to see any brilliant idea. One group or the other justifiably feels wronged. I have no idea what the answer is, but I don’t think it’s fair to have every record ever set by biological females inevitably beaten and buried by transitioned females. 

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1 minute ago, 52-80 said:

Ive counted in the thread 3 to 4 instances (including yours) policing the discourse to the tune of: something rational should be done. people only talk about this now because theyre hateful. 
 

except, curiously, that something is never explained. 

Because a poster, who has firsthand experience, offered a lot of good insight. I didn’t feel like I can add a lot more to the wisdom that she shared.

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13 minutes ago, troph said:

I started the discussion with many men think they can compete with elite women athletes. In one survey 12% of men - JAGs - thought they could handle a Serena Williams serve and score a point off of her serve. Absent a double fault on her part (which isn’t out of the question) that’s just insanely sexist. 

what some people delude themselves into thinking they could do* doesnt change the stark reality of group differences. 

*just ask Kevin. 

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5 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

JAGs cannot.  But the 203 ranked male in the world beat her 6-1, 6-2 and said he took it easy on her.

Beat Serena 6-1

Venus 6-2 (Venus was the better player when their careers began)

"I was sitting there [in the tournament office] when the girls were saying they could beat any man ranked outside 200," Braasch told Fialkov. "I said ‘I’m 203 in the world and we can do it if you want to'. I [lost in the first round of singles and doubles] so I had another five days in Australia and had nothing to do."

The bearded Braasch, wearing glasses resembling swimming goggles and a baggy Reebok shirt, looked more like a mad scientist than a tennis pro as he squared off against Serena on Court 17 at Melbourne Park in a match played before a few hundred fans without lines people, a chair umpire or TV cameras.

The quirky lefty's herky-jerky serve and masterful skill shifting spins and creating obscure angles befuddled the teenage Serena as Braasch prevailed, 6-1.

Venus, who supported Serena from the stands, challenged Braasch immediately after the set to only a slightly better result. The German, who had a fondness for smoking Marlboros during some changeovers, extended rallies and deployed the same disorientating array of spins defeating Venus, 6-2.

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3 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Congratulations. On a thread full of shitty takes, yours outdistances everybody else's shitty take by 300%. Basketball is a sport dominated by height, speed, strength and athleticism. Is it your theory that while they are getting dunked on, blocked, muscled out for rebounds, and constantly smoked down the court on fast breaks, the  women would ultimately pull out the win due to their crisp, fundamentally sound bounce  passes? 

True or not this was hilarious. 

 

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31 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

I would agree that 100% of those that favor bathroom laws support a ban on biological males playing female sports.  But not vice versa.

And I am under the impression that this thread is about biological males playing female sports.

I have no idea what point you're making. You suggested hate wasn't the reason for the outrage, citing that poll. I pointed out that the poll in fact supports the conclusion that hate is a driving force behind the outrage. Do you disagree that people that want transgender bathroom laws (which btw, we don't have for anyone else) are doing so out of the same sort of discriminatory animus that led to segregated facilities based on race? 

If I'm right (which I definitely am), then of the 58% that favored laws limiting transgender participation in women's sports, at least 70% of them are doing so because of hate. 

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Just now, B00M said:

I think the issue is that there simply isn’t a solution that’s simultaneously ‘fair’ to biological females and transitioned females. This has been discussed for several years now and I’ve yet to see any brilliant idea. One group or the other justifiably feels wronged. I have no idea what the answer is, but I don’t think it’s fair to have every record ever set by biological females inevitably beaten and buried by transitioned females. 

I'd suspect that a conversation that begins with "we know something that is perfectly fair, and is perceived as such by all interested parties, is all but impossible.  So, we're going to come as close to it as we can.  And, we'll continue to follow progress and performance, to see if the solution requires amendment as we go forward."  Then, build something that is based on metrics tied to things that actually affect athletic performance.  Just "she was born a dude!" isn't a good metric...nor is it even a sufficient metric (because what is "born a dude?"  For example, the boxer who was the source of so much controversy was born with female genitalia, but had XY chromosomes.  Is it just chromosomes?  "Intersex" people present a real conundrum, so taking it out of "look and see if she has a dick" (which is an asshole approach anyway) is the only thing that would make sense).  I'm not a Dr., I'm no expert in phsyiology.  But I suspect that legit Drs who are experts could offer some objective metrics.

And like any rule, of course it won't be perfect.  Someone who identifies as a female will fail to pass muster on those metrics, and will not be allowed to play women's sports.  And someone who just barely passes those metrics, but appears to have numerous advantages that come from that fact (being close to the threshold levels of hormones, for example) will be able to compete as a woman, and people will bitch that she has an advantage.

And maybe, just fucking maybe, we should leave a little fucking room for grace and imperfection.

But nope.  We're just going to make a torrent of political ads about this to create division for personal gain and to feel like we've captured some sort of high ground to make us feel superior.   None of what I suggested will ever happen, for the same reason that we won't ever "solve" any other hot-button issue: there's too much invested in keeping it as a point of division and tribal identity.  We're fucking assholes, and that is the one thing we'll never, ever, ever give up.

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I'd suspect that a conversation that begins with "we know something that is perfectly fair, and is perceived as such by all interested parties, is all but impossible.  So, we're going to come as close to it as we can.  And, we'll continue to follow progress and performance, to see if the solution requires amendment as we go forward."  Then, build something that is based on metrics tied to things that actually affect athletic performance.  Just "she was born a dude!" isn't a good metric...nor is it even a sufficient metric (because what is "born a dude?"  For example, the boxer who was the source of so much controversy was born with female genitalia, but had XY chromosomes.  Is it just chromosomes?  "Intersex" people present a real conundrum, so taking it out of "look and see if she has a dick" (which is an asshole approach anyway) is the only thing that would make sense).  I'm not a Dr., I'm no expert in phsyiology.  But I suspect that legit Drs who are experts could offer some objective metrics.

And like any rule, of course it won't be perfect.  Someone who identifies as a female will fail to pass muster on those metrics, and will not be allowed to play women's sports.  And someone who just barely passes those metrics, but appears to have numerous advantages that come from that fact (being close to the threshold levels of hormones, for example) will be able to compete as a woman, and people will bitch that she has an advantage.

And maybe, just fucking maybe, we should leave a little fucking room for grace and imperfection.

But nope.  We're just going to make a torrent of political ads about this to create division for personal gain and to feel like we've captured some sort of high ground to make us feel superior.   None of what I suggested will ever happen, for the same reason that we won't ever "solve" any other hot-button issue: there's too much invested in keeping it as a point of division and tribal identity.  We're fucking assholes, and that is the one thing we'll never, ever, ever give up.

 

11 minutes ago, B00M said:

I think the issue is that there simply isn’t a solution that’s simultaneously ‘fair’ to biological females and transitioned females. This has been discussed for several years now and I’ve yet to see any brilliant idea. One group or the other justifiably feels wronged. I have no idea what the answer is, but I don’t think it’s fair to have every record ever set by biological females inevitably beaten and buried by transitioned females. 

Frankly, since hormones drive the majority of physical differences that matter to sports, if you wanted to be more fair you'd have different classes based on hormone levels. I mean, fuck, look at Lebron James in high school. Was it really fair for other high schools kids to have play against him? What does fair even fucking mean in this context? Its a sport. Its a contest. Someone is going to be better than others. It is the very nature of the thing. We add more subclasses, whether it be JV and varsity teams, weight classes in wrestling, or men's an women's teams, to allow more people to participate. We can divide it up as many times as people want. But it'll never really be fair because it can't be. 

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31 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I got a full ride to University of Niagara Falls where I could’ve been with my girlfriend. 

“Niagara Falls?! Slowly I turned ... step by step ... inch by inch...,"

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57 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

1st issue that is completely ignored is safety.  Example 1 Payton McNabb.

RALEIGH, N.C. (TND) — A high school volleyball player who suffered severe head and neck injuries resulting in long-term concussion symptoms after a girl she says is transgender spiked a ball in her face is now speaking out publicly for the first time.

"Due to the North Carolina High School Athletic Association policy allowing biological males to compete against biological females my life has forever been changed," Payton McNabb, now a senior at Hiwassee Dam High School in Murphy, North Carolina, said during a Thursday committee hearing of the North Carolina state legislature.

McNabb indicated that, to this day, she is still recovering from her injuries, and continues to face other health struggles as a result of what happened, such as impaired vision, partial paralysis on the right side of her body, constant headaches, anxiety and depression.

Injured volleyball player speaks out after alleged transgender opponent spiked ball at her (wlos.com)

 

2.  One of her own teammates has joined the lawsuit against her

SJSU Volleyball Player Joins Lawsuit Against NCAA’s Transgender Policies (thespearsjsu.com)

 

3.  There is not one Olympic or world record that a female holds over a male.  To deny or downplay physical differences between the sexes in nonsense. 

Florence Griffith-Joyner set the WR in 1988 with a 10.49 100m.  This is accomplished by thousands of high school boys every year.

The assumption for #1 here that this girl she says is transgender hit the ball harder than any female could or would?  Watching the video of the incident that's a really bold claim. That's doesn't look anything special for HS volleyball.

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45 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I hear the senate race ads. It’s a political issue because Lia Thomas does happen, and it’s viewed as wokeness run amok. Leaving rule making to an utterly toothless organization like the NCAA is dangerous, and I am pretty certain in instances like Thomas (not a great number I would imagine), it’s not a vocal minority. It’s the majority, at the very least, and probably vast majority. 

Having said that, as I said, it’s not an issue I get wound up about. And absolutely there are bigger fish to fry. 

Yeah, like collecting all their personal info all up onto a list for Ken Paxton to keep tabs on

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dps-director-asks-paxton-for-guidance-on-sex-marker-changes/ar-AA1r3DAG

Y'all better make em wear a special symbol so the public can ID them more easily, amirite?? Can't have them going into the WRONG BATHROOM(!!!!!!!)

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1 hour ago, ChickenSandwich said:

1st issue that is completely ignored is safety.  Example 1 Payton McNabb.

RALEIGH, N.C. (TND) — A high school volleyball player who suffered severe head and neck injuries resulting in long-term concussion symptoms after a girl she says is transgender spiked a ball in her face is now speaking out publicly for the first time.

"Due to the North Carolina High School Athletic Association policy allowing biological males to compete against biological females my life has forever been changed," Payton McNabb, now a senior at Hiwassee Dam High School in Murphy, North Carolina, said during a Thursday committee hearing of the North Carolina state legislature.

McNabb indicated that, to this day, she is still recovering from her injuries, and continues to face other health struggles as a result of what happened, such as impaired vision, partial paralysis on the right side of her body, constant headaches, anxiety and depression.

Injured volleyball player speaks out after alleged transgender opponent spiked ball at her (wlos.com)

1) Her social media (which was not created until after she graduated high school) reads like a stereotypical right wing personality.  Not discrediting in and of itself, but certainly notable.

2) The only evidence of this is a 7 second clip where a tall player spikes the ball into Payton's face.  As far as I can find, the opposing player has never been named and this entire story is basically contained to right wing news publications and purely based on word of mouth from Payton.

3) Her injuries were so severe that she was playing basketball, and posting highlights to hudl, within two months: https://www.hudl.com/profile/18432580/Payton-McNabb/highlights

Again, there is a severe lack of curiosity with any of this.  It's just pure rage bait, through and through.

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Posted
15 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I have no idea what point you're making. You suggested hate wasn't the reason for the outrage, citing that poll. I pointed out that the poll in fact supports the conclusion that hate is a driving force behind the outrage. Do you disagree that people that want transgender bathroom laws (which btw, we don't have for anyone else) are doing so out of the same sort of discriminatory animus that led to segregated facilities based on race? 

More smear tactics, and whatever associative fallacy bringing race race to it. 

The strong difference in responses to difference questions shows there’s some kind of motivation behind the (anonymous) answers. If hate is your blanket answer for that motivation, why wouldnt they want discrimination in employment and housing as well? (Whats the cost of expressing a wrong opinion to an online poll?)

Is there any natural, obvious reason for people to have segregation in bathroom at all (where there is none in general employment)….or is wanting girls to stay with girls a form of discrimination, and wanting girls-identifying-as-boys to use the same room a form of elevated hate-filled discrimination?

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I have disappoint. When I saw this thread title, I was confident that surly could discuss this issue objectively in DT without cloaking it up. Lol.

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7 minutes ago, Mikey4 said:

I have disappoint. When I saw this thread title, I was confident that surly could discuss this issue objectively in DT without cloaking it up. Lol.

 

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Mikey4 said:

I have disappoint. When I saw this thread title, I was confident that surly could discuss this issue objectively in DT without cloaking it up. Lol.

Dude....the very first post, and the story itself, "cloaked it up."  FFS, this issue is THE central issue in the highest profile state political race going on right now.  Why in the blue fuck would you expect one of the hot-button political topics of the day NOT to turn into a...political discussion?  

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15 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Dude....the very first post, and the story itself, "cloaked it up."  FFS, this issue is THE central issue in the highest profile state political race going on right now.  Why in the blue fuck would you expect one of the hot-button political topics of the day NOT to turn into a...political discussion?  

 

I think you meant "Why in the red fuck..."

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14 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Dude....the very first post, and the story itself, "cloaked it up."  FFS, this issue is THE central issue in the highest profile state political race going on right now.  Why in the blue fuck would you expect one of the hot-button political topics of the day NOT to turn into a...political discussion?  

The same reason that some posters think that going full throat in support of Israel is not CR but suggesting there may be nuance is pure CR and should not be discussed in DT. It's not political if it enforces status quo, despite of course that the status quo is in place because of generations of political beliefs.

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1 hour ago, royiv said:

Tell me about it. I thought the benefit of being a dude at a Taylor Swift concert was going to be short lines for the men’s room. Instead I had to muscle past dozens of females (or were they?!?!?) so I could whip out my dong at a urinal.

So you'd rather whip out your dong in a bathroom full of nothing but dudes? Noted. 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Blotto said:

Congratulations. On a thread full of shitty takes, yours outdistances everybody else's shitty take by 300%.

You must've missed Rex's comment that he's glad the state of Texas will protect his daughters. 

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