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Fuck you you fucker.

Good. Do it.
And then, end it by passing a CR that fucks over the little guy, victims of disasters, farmers, kids with cancer. Do it.

The only way anything will ever improve is for the suffering to become excruciating. We need more of this. 1000x more.
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The solution here is obvious. Stand alone bills. Vote them up, or vote them down on their own merits. The CR/omnibus whatever has just become a mechanism for institutionalized dysfunction, alternately used by the Rs and the Ds based on how the board is set at the moment. 

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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Good. Do it.
And then, end it by passing a CR that fucks over the little guy, victims of disasters, farmers, kids with cancer. Do it.

The only way anything will ever improve is for the suffering to become excruciating. We need more of this. 1000x more.

 

But here's the thing:  the GOP would willingly embrace and pass a CR double whatever was tanked on Wednesday of this week after January 20, because reasons.  

 

 

 

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58 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The solution here is obvious. Stand alone bills. Vote them up, or vote them down on their own merits. The CR/omnibus whatever has just become a mechanism for institutionalized dysfunction, alternately used by the Rs and the Ds based on how the board is set at the moment. 

No one has time for that, when they have to campaign, and mock the other side. 

What has it been 20+ years since there was anything except a omnibus bill, the times they have changed. Just don't say line item veto or DJT and his lapdogs will go hyper active about that possibility.

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41 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

No one has time for that, when they have to campaign, and mock the other side. 

What has it been 20+ years since there was anything except a omnibus bill, the times they have changed. Just don't say line item veto or DJT and his lapdogs will go hyper active about that possibility.

Apparently lightning is striking, cause the new plan is three stand alones. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, bluto said:

Asking earnestly, why is the incoming admin who ran on slashing govt spending demanding the debt limit be removed?

Short answer because they want to do handouts AND get rid of the people that could tell Donny NO.

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So that dumbass Latina who lost the Missouri SoS race has now moved to Texas to run for congress.

 

Why does she just have to be in politics? I’m guessing its really about the grift?

 

 

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4 hours ago, Anastasis said:

The solution here is obvious. Stand alone bills. Vote them up, or vote them down on their own merits. The CR/omnibus whatever has just become a mechanism for institutionalized dysfunction, alternately used by the Rs and the Ds based on how the board is set at the moment. 

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18 minutes ago, Pancho said:

So that dumbass Latina who lost the Missouri SoS race has now moved to Texas to run for congress.

 

Why does she just have to be in politics? I’m guessing its really about the grift?

 

 

174k isn't a bad gig for a 25 year old ignoramus.

Also, this says terrible things about Texas.  Nothing new, but terrible just the same.

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36 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Elon AND Pronghorn continue to lie?  Color me shocked.

There was a bipartisan stand-alone bill regarding that particular aspect of cancer research.  Do you know what it did NOT include?  That's right....appropriation/funding.  Instead, it expressly DEFERRED on that to a further act of Congress (so....the exact continuing resolution we've all been discusssing) - see the full text of the referenced bill in its funding section:

When in doubt, do NOT read what "Libs of TikTok" says.  Read the actual bill text.  Go ahead, read it.  You won't find a funding appropriation in it.

Elon Musk, and his mouthpieces like Pronghorn, lie.  They do it without hesitation, without taking a breath in between the lies.  It is their natural state of being.

So Elon didn't kill the funding since the bill was never passed in senate?

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4 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Apparently lightning is striking, cause the new plan is three stand alones. 

hope you are right, but nothing has passed until it is passed. if nothing is going to pass then the MAGA crowd wants something to point at the Dems as blame for a shutdown. 

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

So that dumbass Latina who lost the Missouri SoS race has now moved to Texas to run for congress.

 

Why does she just have to be in politics? I’m guessing its really about the grift?

 

 

It would be a shame if this Colombian refugee were to get sent back to Colombia

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7 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

hope you are right, but nothing has passed until it is passed. if nothing is going to pass then the MAGA crowd wants something to point at the Dems as blame for a shutdown. 

Listening to CNBC, sounds like it is now one bill. 

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6 hours ago, Jive Turkey said:

 

Republicans have consistently been really good at shutting down the government, getting rightly blamed for it, and not learning from it. Even under Trump, with Democrats holding the House. One of the more incredible phenomena in the clownshow that is US politics.

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6 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


Good. Do it.
And then, end it by passing a CR that fucks over the little guy, victims of disasters, farmers, kids with cancer. Do it.

The only way anything will ever improve is for the suffering to become excruciating. We need more of this. 1000x more.

 

 

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

174k isn't a bad gig for a 25 year old ignoramus.

 

But it’s a bad gig for a 35 year old CPA or 50 year old entrepreneur or family farmer. Successful ones, anyway.
Not for nothing, we’d have much better people in congress if we raised their salary to $1mm/year. We get what we pay for. 

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Asking earnestly, why is the incoming admin who ran on slashing govt spending demanding the debt limit be removed?

Responding earnestly, they plan to run it up and blame the Dems.
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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

But it’s a bad gig for a 35 year old CPA or 50 year old entrepreneur or family farmer. Successful ones, anyway.
Not for nothing, we’d have much better people in congress if we raised their salary to $1mm/year. We get what we pay for. 

Dan Pfeiffer said that we should pay them more because, among other things, they have to have two houses: one in DC and one in their district. Why don’t we have tax payer funded Congress housing in DC?  Like a dorm or something.

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17 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Dan Pfeiffer said that we should pay them more because, among other things, they have to have two houses: one in DC and one in their district. Why don’t we have tax payer funded Congress housing in DC?  Like a dorm or something.

We should pay them $1-2M/year and senators should make $3-5mm.

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23 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Dan Pfeiffer said that we should pay them more because, among other things, they have to have two houses: one in DC and one in their district. Why don’t we have tax payer funded Congress housing in DC?  Like a dorm or something.

 

Imagine the hijinks.  

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Fine. But what about my dorm idea?  Knock them down a peg. 

If anything, we need to elevate their station so we can dump the fucking toadies we allow the powerful to install today without any talented opposition. 

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2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

If anything, we need to elevate their station so we can dump the fucking toadies we allow the powerful to install today without any talented opposition. 

Dude.  There is no solution.

Pay them jack shit?  We end up with toadies, or massively independently wealthy tools doing it as a power trip (see Rick Scott).

Pay them lots?  Then it becomes about the money, and people who want the money.  And don't think that $3 million makes a fucking difference and gets us there.  Because you know what someone with $3 million REALLY wants?  $30 million.  And they'll use their office to get it.

There is no solution, because the problem is our collective nature and character as Americans.  The pool of potential congresscritters is "Americans," and "Americans" are loathsome fucking creatures who will sell their grandmother to rapists for $1.

We're just re-arranging rotted deckchairs on the fucking Arizona.  After it blew the fuck up and sank.

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6 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

An unelected mega billionaire trying to control the country is a bad look and will age even worse.

Imagine the right if this were Obama and George Soros.

 

For at least a decade now, I've read and heard the name Soros as some kind of puppetmaster who was the ills of all society and was secretly running the legislative and executive branches of the federal government (when Dems were in charge).

Today, the GOP has their very own version of this; the difference is he's actually running the show and bragging about it.  And has no qualms on using his media megaphone in order to inflict as much pain and chaos as possible.  And has received billions in government contracts and will use his influence to cripple any potential competitors to his business interests.

But tell me all about this Soros bogeyman.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Pay them lots?  Then it becomes about the money, and people who want the money.  And don't think that $3 million makes a fucking difference and gets us there.  Because you know what someone with $3 million REALLY wants?  $30 million.  And they'll use their office to get it.

They already do. They just finagle their way to it. 
One of my favorite lessons of history is that officers of the British East India Company were paid very little and expected to come home rich, both by themselves and the company. To fail to get rich was seen as a sign of laziness, stupidity, or worse, naive sympathy towards the natives.
Thus the Hindustani word “loot” entered our language. 
 

You pay for the employees want.

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2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

You pay for the employees want.

Our pool of employees is a vat of shit.

Pay what you want, it won't make a difference.  You can decide WHICH type of shit you want, not whether or not it will be shit.

Our national character has swung so hard to the absolute extreme of hyper-individualist "fuck you, I got mine," not just at the expense of but connected with the downright complete opposition to and demonization of any notion of "public service/the common good" that this discussion is utterly pointless.  All we will get is selfish fucks determined to fuck us over for personal gain.  The decreasing pool of people who may have some notion of public service is simply overwhelmed, and has no chance.

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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Our pool of employees is a vat of shit.

Pay what you want, it won't make a difference.  You can decide WHICH type of shit you want, not whether or not it will be shit.

Our national character has swung so hard to the absolute extreme of hyper-individualist "fuck you, I got mine," not just at the expense of but connected with the downright complete opposition to and demonization of any notion of "public service/the common good" that this discussion is utterly pointless.  All we will get is selfish fucks determined to fuck us over for personal gain.  The decreasing pool of people who may have some notion of public service is simply overwhelmed, and has no chance.

This is ‘Merica now! It’s just sad that we as a collective have become the things we have always said we are not. Everything that the men and women who built America into what it became post World War II is now dissolving.  I am glad that almost all of them have passed on and do not have to witness the abject selfishness on display from sea to shining sea.We are far from being the only country with this issue, but we insist on being the loudest and proudest about it.

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Dan Pfeiffer said that we should pay them more because, among other things, they have to have two houses: one in DC and one in their district. Why don’t we have tax payer funded Congress housing in DC?  Like a dorm or something.

A lot of them live together...3 congressmen rent a 3 bedroom house, etc. 

Then there are the crooks.  Remember "Duke" Cunningham?  He lived on a defense contractors yacht. 

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13 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Our pool of employees is a vat of shit.

Pay what you want, it won't make a difference.  You can decide WHICH type of shit you want, not whether or not it will be shit.

Our national character has swung so hard to the absolute extreme of hyper-individualist "fuck you, I got mine," not just at the expense of but connected with the downright complete opposition to and demonization of any notion of "public service/the common good" that this discussion is utterly pointless.  All we will get is selfish fucks determined to fuck us over for personal gain.  The decreasing pool of people who may have some notion of public service is simply overwhelmed, and has no chance.

This is also the same in corporate America. Our “account manager of the year” at my company got recognized as such because she would straight up lie and threaten our customers to get them to do what she wanted. 

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17 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Our pool of employees is a vat of shit.

Pay what you want, it won't make a difference.  You can decide WHICH type of shit you want, not whether or not it will be shit.

Our national character has swung so hard to the absolute extreme of hyper-individualist "fuck you, I got mine," not just at the expense of but connected with the downright complete opposition to and demonization of any notion of "public service/the common good" that this discussion is utterly pointless.  All we will get is selfish fucks determined to fuck us over for personal gain.  The decreasing pool of people who may have some notion of public service is simply overwhelmed, and has no chance.

I finally landed, with this post, on the problem with "common good" government, as advocated by a bunch of neo-Catholic christofascists.

It's that if that doesn't inhere to the majority of the people, and must be forced on them by government and by some arbitrary choices made by the government, we're completely fucked and the government isn't going to fix it.

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5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Elon AND Pronghorn continue to lie?  Color me shocked.

There was a bipartisan stand-alone bill regarding that particular aspect of cancer research.  Do you know what it did NOT include?  That's right....appropriation/funding.  Instead, it expressly DEFERRED on that to a further act of Congress (so....the exact continuing resolution we've all been discusssing) - see the full text of the referenced bill in its funding section:

When in doubt, do NOT read what "Libs of TikTok" says.  Read the actual bill text.  Go ahead, read it.  You won't find a funding appropriation in it.

Elon Musk, and his mouthpieces like Pronghorn, lie.  They do it without hesitation, without taking a breath in between the lies.  It is their natural state of being.

 

 

So why have the dems been sitting on it since March?

 

 

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16 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I finally landed, with this post, on the problem with "common good" government, as advocated by a bunch of neo-Catholic christofascists.

It's that if that doesn't inhere to the majority of the people, and must be forced on them by government and by some arbitrary choices made by the government, we're completely fucked and the government isn't going to fix it.

Correct.  If we aren't the kind of society that will CHOOSE the common good to some extent, then we won't get it at all.  You can't force basic decency on humanity.  If we have decided to descend into full-on monkey-on-monkey zero-sum gaming, then that's what we're going to have.  Overall, it is a dramatically worse outcome than the alternative, but that's what we've chosen, culturally and socially.  Politics trails and reflects society, it doesn't control it.

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3 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

So why have the dems been sitting on it since March?

 

 

You mean the unfunded bill?  Beats me.  Without funding, it's functionally aspirational.

Of course, you're playing the deflection and distraction game -- why don't you answer "why did the GOP remove funding for it from the CR bill?"  

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5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

You mean the unfunded bill?  Beats me.  Without funding, it's functionally aspirational.

Of course, you're playing the deflection and distraction game -- why don't you answer "why did the GOP remove funding for it from the CR bill?"  

Dug around on this.  It was apparently the Gabriella Miller Kids First Research Act, which was passed in 1994 and funded by the initial legislation at 12,600,000 annually until 2023.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriella_Miller_Kids_First_Research_Act

So funding "ran out."  This would have re-appropriated funding for another 10 years.



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