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This dipshit is starting to do irreparable harm to some of our staunchest allies in their respective regions in Colombia, Jordan and fucking Canada.   It's fucking mindbottling and we're only 6 days in.

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9 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Because it wasn’t and hasn’t been for 85 years. 
 

 

lol ok

Again, strawman. What else you got? 

I take back what I said about you being usually sane.  Go off, big dawg. 

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36 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

The dumb fucks who are actively tanking the economy can’t spell the country that just won a trade war day against Trump. 
 

 

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22 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I take back what I said about you being usually sane.  Go off, big dawg. 


This is about what Greenland wants, period. Not Trump, not Denmark. The indigenous people of Greenland are holding all the cards.
The idea that *Denmark* with a weak claim and no reason to hold onto it other than wounded patriotism could legislatively stop Greenland from declaring itself  independent (which is what we are talking about here) and choosing its own destiny is absurd. Your argument is that the Danish parliament refuses to accept, and then …?

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10 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:


This is about what Greenland wants, period. Not Trump, not Denmark. The indigenous people of Greenland are holding all the cards.
The idea that *Denmark* with a weak claim and no reason to hold onto it other than wounded patriotism could legislatively stop Greenland from declaring itself  independent (which is what we are talking about here) and choosing its own destiny is absurd. Your argument is that the Danish parliament refuses to accept, and then …?

The “weak claim” is just Trump-world bullshit.  You’ve established you don’t give a fuck about laws or Allies.  Like I said, go off big dawg.  I’m uninterested in discussing things with people who choose to engage based on propaganda and a warped worldview.  

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1 hour ago, The Ace of Aces said:

The dumb fucks who are actively tanking the economy can’t spell the country that just won a trade war day against Trump. 
 

 


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9 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Seems we’ve done okay security wise for the last 85 years.  

Except that we've been invaded by 11 million painters and busboys!  And like 4 of them killed white people.  Plus, they're shipping Fentanyl across the border, and that's making the insider info our hedge fund managers are getting from Big Pharma worth a little less to our portfolios, so it's Gulf of America time.  Might even be Boot Up Yer Ass time soon, Pedro.  Murka.  Fuck yeah.

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37 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

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As loathe as I am to defend Trump, he, or whoever writes his tweets spelled it correctly.

Some comms idiot at the WH fucked it up

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1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Heading there Thursday.  Can’t wait to make it clear to anyone who asks about where I’m from, how much I hate this fuckstain.  

Mrs GenXer has to travel to denmark for an enterprise software sales meeting with a prospect in a week or so. Awkward.

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2 hours ago, troph said:

I’ll be honest, first time I’ve heard the national anthem in a few weeks just now tuning into bills v chiefs. Not sure how I feel about it, brown, black, immigrant, women, queer, gay and trans not welcome. Saw one player with a tear, I’m sure it was about being in the game, I pretended it was solidarity with all of us who are deemed “other”. That helped a smidge. What a country we live in. Heartache is the only way to describe it. Same feeling I have with Texas. Just pure heartache.

I feel the same way I felt when I saw Gina Chavez perform it at Pride Night in 2021 at the FC Game: the song and the flag belong to everyone except the people who think it only belongs to themselves. They don’t get the flag, they don’t get the anthem and as far as I’m concerned they shouldn’t be left any safe spaces for hate, either. 

28 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The “weak claim” is just Trump-world bullshit.  You’ve established you don’t give a fuck about laws or Allies.  Like I said, go off big dawg.  I’m uninterested in discussing things with people who choose to engage based on propaganda and a warped worldview.  

Bless your heart. 

25 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Seems we’ve done okay security wise for the last 85 years.  

In part because we’ve occupied Greenland, at their invitation, for 85 years. 

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8 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

In part because we’ve occupied Greenland, at their invitation, for 85 years. 

Thank you for your service to the 200 members of Space Force protecting us from Moby Dick and the Titanic iceberg.

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You and I have talked about Chavez’s anthem performance. It was incredibly meaningful and a bit of a turning point for me. The anthem and flag belong to ALL OF US. Fuck those people who say it belongs to just them.

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10 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

In year 4 was way too late 

Yep.  Something should have been done in Biden's first 3 years.

But an attempt was made, and even the hard-liners in the Senate and House were good with it, until Trump woke up from his nap and decided that any effort would give him one less hammer to use on Biden.

 

 

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Just now, Fudge Nuggets said:

Thank you for your service to the 200 members of Space Force protecting us from Moby Dick and the Titanic iceberg.

Don’t take my word for it, I’m not the former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.

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There are three principal reasons for the island’s geopolitical importance. First, it is a vital element of the Greenland-Iceland-UK “gap” that guards the northern approaches to the Atlantic Ocean from Russian naval forces…
 

 

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10 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Thank you for your service to the 200 members of Space Force protecting us from Moby Dick and the Titanic iceberg.

Announcing that we are in fact “occupying” territories where we have a mutually agreed upon military presence can surely have no foreseeable negative consequences. 

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36 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I feel the same way I felt when I saw Gina Chavez perform it at Pride Night in 2021 at the FC Game: the song and the flag belong to everyone except the people who think it only belongs to themselves. They don’t get the flag, they don’t get the anthem and as far as I’m concerned they shouldn’t be left any safe spaces for hate, either. 

 

Nice sentiment in theory, in practice it’s a bit different right now. Every morning I wake up wondering if today is the day Rubio announces they are coming for my identity, I check to see if the bill filed in Texas to retroactively invalidate my Texas DL made it out of committee. There’s plenty of room for hate and the flag and anthem are being taken away from people and we who are under foot can’t do a god damn thing about it. 

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What year(month) into this presidency do other countries start leveling sanctions against us?   We ‘take’ Greenland against another NATO ally?  Our friends need to start slapping some reality in the face of our thin-skinned, geriatric tyrant.  

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3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

There is absolutely no reason for us to control Greenland under existing treaties and agreements.

None.

Zero.

Zilch.

There’s no outcome where we “control Greenland” any more than Denmark controls Greenland today (which is even less than we control it today).
No matter what president thinks: this is about what Greenland wants and who they want to sell their nominal allegiance or nominal independence to.  They will determine the outcome of this*, with an outcome probably determined by pitting us against the Chinese for access to rare earth minerals.
 

 

 

* community note: according to Surly lefties, assertions of Greenland’s agency are right wing propaganda. 

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1 hour ago, YChang said:

Again, curse Oprah for unleashing that plague on us. 

Him and Dr Oz.

She’s like the engineers in the Alien universe.

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26 minutes ago, troph said:

Nice sentiment in theory, in practice it’s a bit different right now. Every morning I wake up wondering if today is the day Rubio announces they are coming for my identity, I check to see if the bill filed in Texas to retroactively invalidate my Texas DL made it out of committee. There’s plenty of room for hate and the flag and anthem are being taken away from people and we who are under foot can’t do a god damn thing about it. 

I know. I really do. And I know it’s easy for me to say because they aren’t coming for me (yet). But in part because of that, i think it’s critically important that those who are at risk of losing their personhood under the constitution, along with their allies, not only raise the stakes for their would-be oppressors but wrap themselves in the flag when they do it.  We will reach the point this starts to be about the consent of the governed and when that day comes we will need to people on the sidelines to be able to tell who the good guys are. 

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20 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

There’s no outcome where we “control Greenland” any more than Denmark controls Greenland today (which is even less than we control it today).
No matter what president thinks: this is about what Greenland wants and who they want to sell their nominal allegiance or nominal independence to.  They will determine the outcome of this*, with an outcome probably determined by pitting us against the Chinese for access to rare earth minerals.
 

 

 

* community note: according to Surly lefties, assertions of Greenland’s agency are right wing propaganda. 

Don’t paint us all with that brush. Most of us are ignoring y’all. 

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57 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

There is absolutely no reason for us to control Greenland under existing treaties and agreements.

None.

Zero.

Zilch.

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10 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

The person detained there is reportedly a child sex offender. 

Jail him. Don’t send him somewhere to prey on more children. (Assuming your alleged report is accurate).

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7 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

except this would be giving in to the lie. this is playing along with a border crisis that doesn't exist (or didn't before dotard took back over). what you're asking is for the dems to be complicit in the maga lies in order to win political favor. surely there is a better path

Whether you want to believe it or not, a majority of Americans are not happy with the way dems have addressed the border. Hispanics in particular, especially those who live in border states, resoundingly rejected it. This is the reality, and the national level dems massively misjudged this to their peril. Many post mortems point to this as perhaps the biggest factor in losing what should have been a solid blue bloc

 

eta you don’t have to play to a group’s fears. You do have to acknowledge a group’s fears and show them that you have a plan to address them, not just tell them the fears are unfounded 

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5 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:


The Republicans killed a bi-partisan border bill because Trump told them to. What the fuck more did you want the Democrats to do?

A lot of this is politics. Rhetoric (you can call it propaganda) is important. Somewhere in the past decade democrats either forgot this or became terrible at it. Messaging matters. We’ve known for 30 years now that Americans want immigration reform. Maybe waiting until the 4th qtr to bring a bill wasn’t the best idea

I’m not Hispanic so I’m not the audience dems lost on this. Maybe ask them

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19 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

A lot of this is politics. Rhetoric (you can call it propaganda) is important. Somewhere in the past decade democrats either forgot this or became terrible at it. Messaging matters. We’ve known for 30 years now that Americans want immigration reform. Maybe waiting until the 4th qtr to bring a bill wasn’t the best idea

I’m not Hispanic so I’m not the audience dems lost on this. Maybe ask them

Based on what we’re seeing across the country tonight, Republicans appear poised to to win this battle and lose the war.

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6 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

How about heavy fines for companies and corporations who employee illegal workers?


Nah - that would hurt corporations and profits...

We aren't serious about this it's all bullshit talking points

Right. The reason the Democrats will not address this issue, and the reason the Republicans fail to really solve it, is because the economy of the US benefits from the status quo.

The illegal workers get to be exploited for sub minimum wages and illegal working conditions and are willing to come and put up with it to send money home to their families. Their labor benefits everybody. If the Democrats, or whomever, took serious steps to introduce some kind of immigration reform to make this all legal, they couldn't really do it without enforcing existing labor standards which would mean they cannot be exploited as much as before. This would be bad for big business so they block any such effort.

And likewise the Republicans only pretend to do something about it and use it as a wedge issue to get out their voters.

So the whole thing is gross and corrupt and nobody does anything about it. And we'll see what happens with this latest ICE thing.

The kind of ridiculous thing is the asylum seekers, they seem to be the ones who are mostly get shit on through all of this. They are ones who get bussed away from the border by Abbott. I think they are ones who are going to be driven out of the country ultimately. The corporations don't care about them. But they aren't even illegal immigrants, they are following the laws.

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21 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Remind me, how the fuck is this the Dems' fault other than they fucking suck at messaging?

Yes 

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45 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

96% of Americans can no longer afford eggs

 

 

 

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Maybe they shouldn't try and buy their eggs at Walgreens.

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1 hour ago, Goofyboy said:


The Republicans killed a bi-partisan border bill because Trump told them to. What the fuck more did you want the Democrats to do?

The Republicans completely shut down governing during the last two years of Obama’s admin, and all of Biden’s….with only a few significant laws being passed….and all Trump did was first and foremost pass a tax cut for the rich….it’s just get power, keep the power.  Time for a chess move.

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39 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Right. The reason the Democrats will not address this issue, and the reason the Republicans fail to really solve it, is because the economy of the US benefits from the status quo.

The illegal workers get to be exploited for sub minimum wages and illegal working conditions and are willing to come and put up with it to send money home to their families. Their labor benefits everybody. If the Democrats, or whomever, took serious steps to introduce some kind of immigration reform to make this all legal, they couldn't really do it without enforcing existing labor standards which would mean they cannot be exploited as much as before. This would be bad for big business so they block any such effort.

And likewise the Republicans only pretend to do something about it and use it as a wedge issue to get out their voters.

So the whole thing is gross and corrupt and nobody does anything about it. And we'll see what happens with this latest ICE thing.

The kind of ridiculous thing is the asylum seekers, they seem to be the ones who are mostly get shit on through all of this. They are ones who get bussed away from the border by Abbott. I think they are ones who are going to be driven out of the country ultimately. The corporations don't care about them. But they aren't even illegal immigrants, they are following the laws.

Both parties see it as a wedge issue. This was solved in 2007 but a republican poison pill and a down vote by Obama killed it at the last minute if I remember correctly. After the beat down Obama gave republicans even Hannity was ready to sign on to the 2007 bill but Obama wanted the wedge issue for 2012 so I don't remember him introducing anything. What I am saying is I agree with your post even though I may have my facts wrong since I am stating all this from memory. 

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The Washington Post reported Sunday, citing four people with knowledge, that Trump officials have directed ICE officials to arrest 1,200 to 1,500 people a day, up from a few hundred.

That $12 Iceberg lettuce is on its way.

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