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9 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

A conviction that carried a finding of an act of insurrection would have absolutely made a difference, in that Calvinball would unequivocally be recognized as superior to the Constitution in the eyes of the current SCOTUS, assuming their immunity finding came down as it did. In that scenario, with months to go before the election, we might have been witness to impeachment proceedings of SCOTUS members.

Well, even so, the appeals process would have prevented that from being final, both of the conviction itself and the disqualification. And, in the meantime, it would have made no difference.

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Trump wanted the Declaration of Independence on display in the Oval.

Not a copy, the real fucking thing.

 

Gift link:

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But the president has also asked advisers in recent days about moving the Declaration of Independence into the Oval Office, according to people familiar with the conversations who requested anonymity to describe the planning.

Trump’s request alarmed some of his aides, who immediately recognized both the implausibility and the expense of moving the original document. Displayed in the rotunda at the National Archives Building, in Washington, D.C., it is perhaps the most treasured historical document in the U.S. government’s possession. The original is behind heavy glass in an oxygen-free, argon-filled case that can retract into the wall at night for security. Because of light damage to the faded animal-skin parchment, the room is kept dimly lit; restrictions have been placed on how often the doors can even be opened.   But to the relief of aides, subsequent discussions appear to have focused on the possibility of moving one of the historical copies of the document, not the original. 

 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

No, but holding a majority coalition in such contempt and disdain is also symptomatic of why Democrats lose.

Good use of symptomatic. There are other symptoms as you allude.

The main reason we lost is that we're the minority. I don't know that I want to abandon contempt and disdain for the active and acquiescent who are responsible for where we are. I'm in the camp of those hoping for some element of that minority to awaken and act due to implosion. I don't see any winning strategy at the moment.

To be clear, I don't think what I've written is in disagreement with what you have written.

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2 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

He'd fucking sell it. And that would be poetry.

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, even so, the appeals process would have prevented that from being final, both of the conviction itself and the disqualification. And, in the meantime, it would have made no difference.

Are you saying that, in my fevered, what could have been, scenario, where there had been a conviction that found an act of insurrection was committed, that an appeal would have superseded the 14th Amendment?

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5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, even so, the appeals process would have prevented that from being final, both of the conviction itself and the disqualification. And, in the meantime, it would have made no difference.

Perfect example of why people have lost trust in the legal system. For those with the resources, the process can be prolonged as such to delay any real consequences.

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He'd fucking sell it. And that would be poetry.

“It costs too much to maintain. So I’m ordering Elon to burn it in the fireplace.”
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Just now, Red Five said:


“It costs too much to maintain. So I’m ordering Elon to burn it in the fireplace.”

Nah he'd cut it into small pieces and then sell it in his limited-edition trading cards.

Roy Oswalt 2003 Fleer MLB Shirtified #MLB-RO Game-Worn Jersey Card

 

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7 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

You think you understand humanity then you see people not using Surly dark mode and your worldview is shattered. 

I find it difficult to read. Not all eyes are perfect.

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20 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Are you saying that, in my fevered, what could have been, scenario, where there had been a conviction that found an act of insurrection was committed, that an appeal would have superseded the 14th Amendment?

A conviction is not a conviction until it is final, meaning appeals are exhausted.

There would first have to have been a final conviction and then likely a civil proceeding challenging the application of the 14th Amendment.

That's about eight years worth of litigation in our system.

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Nah he'd cut it into small pieces and then sell it in his limited-edition trading cards.
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This is…. actually possible. He definitely wanted it there for reasons that would terrify/enrage us, IMO.
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25 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Trump wanted the Declaration of Independence on display in the Oval.

Not a copy, the real fucking thing.

If this timeline had been pitched to a Hollywood production company 20 years ago they would have laughed everyone out of the room.

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Just now, TwiceHorn said:

A conviction is not a conviction until it is final, meaning appeals are exhausted.

There would first have to have been a final conviction and then likely a civil proceeding challenging the application of the 14th Amendment.

That's about eight years worth of litigation in our system.

Sigh. Well, as it pertains to an effective 14th Amendment:

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3 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Sigh. Well, as it pertains to an effective 14th Amendment:

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More than any other single thing, even the Supreme Court, the delay inherent to the system (even before you get to Trump's dilatory tactics), made it impossible to secure a final conviction, for anything, in the space of four years.

Note that his NY conviction is on appeal and is thus not yet final.

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3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

More than any other single thing, even the Supreme Court, the delay inherent to the system (even before you get to Trump's dilatory tactics), made it impossible to secure a final conviction, for anything, in the space of four years.

Note that his NY conviction is on appeal and is thus not yet final.

Honest question for which I should probably know the answer:  is sentencing always delayed until the appeal process has been exhausted?

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2 minutes ago, wood said:

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Trump is doing a great job of creating a groundswell of Canadian national pride. Dare I say that he’s Making Canada Great Again? He’s even doing a great job with the MEGA movement over in Europe.

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1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Trump wanted the Declaration of Independence on display in the Oval.

Not a copy, the real fucking thing.

Triumph The Insult Comic Dog Quotes GIFs | Tenor

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50 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-business/ap-thrust-into-unemployment-axed-federal-workers-face-relatives-who-celebrate-their-firing/

 

 

 

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“It’s really hurtful for the president to insinuate that you don’t exist or that your job consisted of sitting at home doing nothing and cashing the paycheck,” he says. “I’d like to see him sifting through spiny naiad in 120-degree weather looking for parasitic snails. He’s the one that goes golfing on the government dime. I don’t even know how to golf.”

Exactly. I'd like to see the golfer's reaction to a giant Slor! Many MAGA and MUSKS will know what it is to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

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2 hours ago, TexArcher said:

Transportation, transformers, transistors, and translations will all be illegal by next Tuesday.

Don't forget Transmissions.  

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, even so, the appeals process would have prevented that from being final, both of the conviction itself and the disqualification. And, in the meantime, it would have made no difference.

In the type of government Trump wants someone accused of those crimes would be in jail and disqualified pre-emptively.

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44 minutes ago, royiv said:

Trump is doing a great job of creating a groundswell of Canadian national pride. Dare I say that he’s Making Canada Great Again? He’s even doing a great job with the MEGA movement over in Europe.

By the end of this we will have literally no allies besides Israel and Russia (and Russia wants nothing more than for us to cease to exist).

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Honest question for which I should probably know the answer:  is sentencing always delayed until the appeal process has been exhausted?

Quite the opposite usually.  A conviction is not final for trial and appeal purposes until the defendant has been sentenced.  That's the first stage of final, meaning appealable because everything is concluded in the trial court.  The final stage of final is convicted, sentenced, appeals exhausted.

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1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-business/ap-thrust-into-unemployment-axed-federal-workers-face-relatives-who-celebrate-their-firing/

 

 

 

 

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“She has somehow been convinced that public servants are a parasite and unproductive even though she was a public servant,” says Jenn.

The federal job cuts are the work of DOGE, which has been tearing through agencies looking for suspected waste. No official tally of firings has been released, but the list stretches into the thousands and to nearly every part of the country.

More layoffs are expected as DOGE continues its work.

Eric Anderson, 48, of Chicago, was still absorbing the shock of being fired from his National Parks Service job as a biological science technician when he came across his aunt’s social media post celebrating the DOGE cuts. The gist, Anderson said, was, “Man, it sure is great seeing all this waste being knocked off.”

He grows angry thinking about it.

“Do you think I’m a waste?” he says, his voice rising as he recalls the post. “There are a lot of people out there that are hurting right now that are not a waste.”

Erica Stubbs, who was working as a forestry technician with the U.S. Forest Service in Boulder, Colorado, is avoiding social media after seeing hate for federal workers.

Though most people in her life have been supportive since she was fired, some have made passing comments about the necessity of eliminating jobs like hers.

“What they tell me is it’s just cutting out the waste, the excess spending — that your job’s not that important,” says 27-year-old Stubbs. “I’m not saying it’s the most important job in the world but it’s my job. It’s important to me.”

Social media is teeming with posts reveling the layoffs and urging DOGE: “Fire more!” In a fiercely divided country, many saw the cutbacks through their own political lens.

One man’s devastation, it turns out, can be another man’s delight.

Riley Rackliffe, who was working as an aquatic ecologist at Lake Mead National Recreation Area in Nevada, was buoyed that his firing led so many friends and relatives to reach out, offering to pass his resume along, call their congressman or even help with his mortgage.

Mixed with that, though, has been the vitriol.

When his firing made the local news, a Facebook posting of the story led to a storm of comments deriding him and championing the layoffs. One person called Riley, who is 36 and holds a Ph.D., a “glorified pool boy” whose job nearly anyone could do.

Even some of Rackliffe’s friends paired their expressions of consolation for Rackliffe with support for cutting jobs they contended were unnecessary government bloat.

“Hey, I’m sorry you lost your job but I think we really need to cut out some of this waste in the government,” Rackliffe said one friend texted him, saying he supported DOGE’s aims. “He basically said, ’We’ve got to do this. We’ve got to rip off the Band-Aid.”

What stings most, Rackliffe says, is the contention that people like him were lazy and worthless, collecting big paychecks for meaningless work.

“It’s really hurtful for the president to insinuate that you don’t exist or that your job consisted of sitting at home doing nothing and cashing the paycheck,” he says. “I’d like to see him sifting through spiny naiad in 120-degree weather looking for parasitic snails. He’s the one that goes golfing on the government dime. I don’t even know how to golf.”

 

 

 

But the Dems just aren't marketing well enough right @Bozo_Casanova? Totally not just pure unhinged id and hatred.

 

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3 hours ago, royiv said:

The Supreme Court gave Trump broad immunity for acts committed as President.

The biggest problem with the legal/judicial system is delay.  It is ever-present and can be exploited by a determined defendant. usually with money but there are tons of examples of poor defendants using delay to their advantage, and in some cases to force the system to work properly.  See, e.g. death penalty appeals and habeas corpus proceedings.

Delay is not completely inherent to the system, but is a byproduct of funding/resources.

And, while the legal/judicial system ultimately failed, the failure was proximately caused by the failure of the political system.

The legal system's job was not to see that Trump couldn't stand for or win a subsequent election, that was a potential byproduct.  Had it had the time to reach its conclusion, he likely would have been convicted in the Mar-A-Lago case.  The January 6 case was always a little hazier and left a lot of room for error.

Indicting and trying him solely to keep him out of office would be a perversion of the system akin to what we're seeing now.

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51 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

Don't forget Transmissions.  

A Transparent shall be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for child abuse!

Posted
2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Over/Under on how many weeks before he spills some honey mustard nuggie dipping sauce on it? 

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2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Trump when he realizes they gave him a copy and not the real thing:

uhm GIF

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12 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Quite the opposite usually.  A conviction is not final for trial and appeal purposes until the defendant has been sentenced.  That's the first stage of final, meaning appealable because everything is concluded in the trial court.  The final stage of final is convicted, sentenced, appeals exhausted.

OK, so why is the defendant (who has been convicted and sentenced) not in prison during the appeal?  It seems that would be emminently fair. 

Convicted, sentenced, go to prison.  Bada bing bada boom.  "Oh, you won on appeal?  OK, you walk.  Sue for damages."

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By the end of this we will have literally no allies besides Israel and Russia (and Russia wants nothing more than for us to cease to exist).

Yeah well at least on the bright side… umm…. Well what I mean is, at least what we get out of it is…. um…. Anyone?

Any of you fucking idiots who ran here the day after the election talking shit want to take a stab at how destroying our government and causing a recession/depression while raising prices on everything while also making the entire world our enemy is actually a good thing for us?
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5 minutes ago, Red Five said:


Yeah well at least on the bright side… umm…. Well what I mean is, at least what we get out of it is…. um…. Anyone?

Any of you fucking idiots who ran here the day after the election talking shit want to take a stab at how destroying our government and causing a recession/depression while raising prices on everything while also making the entire world our enemy is actually a good thing for us?

Ana will be here later. he is making a brisket.

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12 minutes ago, South Austin said:

First you set the microwave on high . . . .

I thought it was the crockpot for that true low and slow Texas flavor.

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55 minutes ago, Red Five said:


Yeah well at least on the bright side… umm…. Well what I mean is, at least what we get out of it is…. um…. Anyone?

Any of you fucking idiots who ran here the day after the election talking shit want to take a stab at how destroying our government and causing a recession/depression while raising prices on everything while also making the entire world our enemy is actually a good thing for us?

Well those three trans volleyball players got put in their place. Eat shit, lib.

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

OK, so why is the defendant (who has been convicted and sentenced) not in prison during the appeal?  It seems that would be emminently fair. 

Convicted, sentenced, go to prison.  Bada bing bada boom.  "Oh, you won on appeal?  OK, you walk.  Sue for damages."

Often, if a defendant is granted pretrial release, they will be left free on appeal.  It's not the same standard for release, but often the way things go.  The real standard for release on appeal is whether you have a highly meritorious appeal.

And, a criminal defendant has almost no ability to sue any aspect of the prosecutorial apparatus unless the indictment is dismissed early on.

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:


Yeah well at least on the bright side… umm…. Well what I mean is, at least what we get out of it is…. um…. Anyone?

Any of you fucking idiots who ran here the day after the election talking shit want to take a stab at how destroying our government and causing a recession/depression while raising prices on everything while also making the entire world our enemy is actually a good thing for us?

Muh taxes?

Posted
1 hour ago, Red Five said:


Yeah well at least on the bright side… umm…. Well what I mean is, at least what we get out of it is…. um…. Anyone?

Any of you fucking idiots who ran here the day after the election talking shit want to take a stab at how destroying our government and causing a recession/depression while raising prices on everything while also making the entire world our enemy is actually a good thing for us?

libtears duh

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6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Who judges that?

Trial judge.  It's usually a case where there are novel questions of law or something was hotly contested and the judge had to make a call that he "admits" could go either way.

Example, both Bannon and Navarro were on pretrial release on their contempt of Congress charges.  Both defended on presidential immunity.  Bannon had evidence that Trumpco communicated immunity to Congress and his lawyer informed him he didn't have to show up.  Navarro had neither.

Bannon's judge felt like he had to make a call on a DC Circuit precednt, so Bannon stayed free on appeal.  Navarro's judge didn't have to make a call because Navarro had no evidence that Trumpco invoked immunity and therefore his counsel couldn't have advised him he didn't have to go (IIRC, he didn't  have counsel, either).  Navarro went to the pokey pending appeal.

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If the trial judge imposes a (relatively) light sentence that MIGHT get voided (if the appeal is successful), does that sentence stick or is it also up for review? 

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lolololololol ......

Bloomberg reporting Trump plans to sign an exec order that will restrict eligibility for a government-run student loan forgiveness targeting individuals whose work for non-profits clashes with the administration’s immigration policies. Could that be a more clear violation of the first amendment. Dictators.

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3 hours ago, TexasEd said:

Don't forget Transmissions.  

Maybe if I pray every, each night I sit there pleading
"Send back my dream test baby, she's my main feature"
My TVC one five, he, he just stares back unblinking.



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