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3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

never forget !!!!

 

It's amazing we went from that to this. It's like when a snowball starts rolling downhill or something.

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2 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

It's amazing we went from that to this. It's like when a snowball starts rolling downhill or something.

How much more outrage was there over that suit than what we will see over the president saying he doesn't care about violence if it comes from his supporters?

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On 9/11/2025 at 10:40 AM, Vegas64 said:

I don't think I agree with you here. The only reason I know the name Charlie Kirk is because of this messageboard. After his death like 3 friends talked about it. I was on a call with peers at work and someone asked outloud "Who is this Kirk guy that died? just got an alert" from a team of people who watch CNBC daily. I think if you are super active online it probably feels the way you bolded, but I'm not seeing it in real life.

The markets have been shrugging off everything. Tariffs, for the most part. Bombing Qatar (Hamas) was a huge deal with huge implications-- barely registered on mainstream media fronts. All anyone cares about in the world I see everyday has been a) Oracle's out of the blue story b) "did you see the new iphone air? when are airbuds 3.0 coming?", and most importantly and the bullhorn in every room c) AI bubble/boom. And that seems to be all the market cares about as well right now.

tl;dr Long way to say, I don't agree it feels like a climax. Kirk is not a Lincoln or Franz Ferdinand or anyone else of widespread fame/infamy. He seems to be known, loved or hated, by the chronicaly online and vocal minority.

 

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Bozo_Casanova said:

But we intuitively understand why, because it sadly, tragically fits into the way things are going. We don’t know how this chapter of history ends (it will end, but we don’t know how or when), but it feels like we’re in the climax, the moment when things get really bad. 

 

@Bozo_Casanovanow that we have some level of detail, wanted to circle back on this and if it changes your initial comments about feeling like we are in a climactic situation. As @Chopper eloquently said, "Charlie Kirk was killed by a furry meme bullet fired by a 4chan-poisoned groyper while working a race-baiting dog whistle into an argument about trans mass shooters." If that is/are the facts, I don't see how this is the cataylst that brings anything to a head or makes things worse. In fact it's probably one of the few "soft landing" outcomes that could have splashed cold water on this whole thing.

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1 minute ago, Vegas64 said:

 

@Bozo_Casanovanow that we have some level of detail, wanted to circle back on this and if it changes your initial comments about feeling like we are in a climactic situation. As @Chopper eloquently said, "Charlie Kirk was killed by a furry meme bullet fired by a 4chan-poisoned groyper while working a race-baiting dog whistle into an argument about trans mass shooters." If that is/are the facts, I don't see how this is the cataylst that brings anything to a head or makes things worse. In fact it's probably one of the few "soft landing" outcomes that could have splashed cold water on this whole thing.

Yeah, except for the fact that Cankles McTaco Tits base will disregard the truth as always.

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3 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

Yeah, except for the fact that Cankles McTaco Tits base will disregard the truth as always.

I think in this case, disregarding the truth might be to move on from the topic and let other news cycle.

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In fact, you can make an argument this is the worst case outcome for Trump. He doesn't get to rail against his ops AND epstein file mania in the zeitgeist has not worn off completely and could be rekindled by this weekend.

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These brainwashed maga lunatics are turning on each other already, and we haven't even gotten a full 7 months into the trump disaster of an economy yet. Wjat happens once these people lose their jobs in massive numbers and keep seeing trump and his politicans, billionaires, and talking heads flaunting their money? 

What happens when trump kicks the bucket and there's absolutely zero unifying force left between all these hate machine brainwashed political cults? Seems like they'll continue to turn on each other. 

 

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Just now, Hermanator said:

These brainwashed maga lunatics are turning on each other already, and we haven't even gotten a full 7 months into the trump disaster of an economy yet. Wjat happens once these people lose their jobs in massive numbers and keep seeing trump and his politicans, billionaires, and talking heads flaunting their money? 

What happens when trump kicks the bucket and there's absolutely zero unifying force left between all these hate machine brainwashed political cults? Seems like they'll continue to turn on each other. 

 

Awesome Let Them Fight GIF by Legendary Entertainment

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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/12/climate/epa-emissions-data-collection-halt.html

The Environmental Protection Agency moved on Friday to stop requiring thousands of polluting facilities to report the amount of heat-trapping greenhouse gases that they release into the air.

The E.P.A. proposal would end requirements for thousands of coal-burning power plants, oil refineries, steel mills and other industrial facilities across the country. The government has been collecting this data since 2010 and it is a key tool to track carbon dioxide, methane and other gases that are driving climate change.

The Friday announcement comes as the Trump administration has systematically erased mentions of climate change from government websites while slashing federal funding for research on global warming.

“Alongside President Trump, E.P.A. continues to live up to the promise of unleashing energy dominance that powers the American dream,” Lee Zeldin, the E.P.A. administrator, said in a statement. “The Greenhouse Gas Reporting Program is nothing more than bureaucratic red tape.”

Mr. Zeldin said that ending the program would save American businesses up to $2.4 billion in compliance costs. The New York Times could not independently verify that claim; representatives for E.P.A. did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Critics said the proposal could hobble federal efforts to fight climate change, since the government cannot reduce emissions if it cannot measure how much is generated and where it is produced.

“With this move, they’re taking away the practical and material capacity of the federal government to do the basic elements of climate policymaking,” said Joseph Goffman, who led the E.P.A.’s air office during the Biden administration.

For the past 15 years, the Greenhouse Gas Reporting Program has collected data from about 8,000 of the country’s largest industrial facilities. That data has helped guide numerous decisions on federal policy and has been shared with the United Nations, which has required developed countries to submit tallies of their emissions.

In addition, private companies often rely on the program’s data to demonstrate to investors that their efforts to cut emissions are working. And communities often use it to determine whether local facilities are releasing air pollution that threatens public health.

The E.P.A. proposal would not directly eliminate emissions reporting requirements for certain oil and gas facilities such as pipelines that transport natural gas. That’s because those reports were required by Congress as part of the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act.

Instead, the E.P.A. wants to allow those specific oil and gas facilities to postpone emissions reporting until 2034. Congressional Republicans already delayed a related requirement for the facilities to pay a fee on their methane emissions until 2034.

Representatives for oil and gas industry trade and lobbying groups, including the American Petroleum Institute, did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The proposal follows a rapid-fire series of steps by the Trump administration to weaken or dismantle environmental protections.

In July, the E.P.A. moved to repeal the scientific finding that underpins the government’s legal authority to combat climate change. And in recent weeks, the White House has directed a half-dozen agencies to thwart the country’s offshore wind industry, a key source of emissions-free electricity.

Under the 2015 Paris Agreement, the United Nations has required all developed countries to provide data on their domestic emissions each year. But the United States missed an April deadline to submit its data, and Mr. Trump began the yearlong process of withdrawing from the Paris pact on his first day back in office.

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3 hours ago, SubliminalHorn said:

We’re in the same boat. It’s like, yeah we want to remodel the kitchen, but I think to myself, I’m not fucking spending money to remodel this place for some maga ss officer and his family that moves in

Witty, dark humor humor with a very depressing kernel of truth. A+

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2 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

 

@Bozo_Casanovanow that we have some level of detail, wanted to circle back on this and if it changes your initial comments about feeling like we are in a climactic situation. As @Chopper eloquently said, "Charlie Kirk was killed by a furry meme bullet fired by a 4chan-poisoned groyper while working a race-baiting dog whistle into an argument about trans mass shooters." If that is/are the facts, I don't see how this is the cataylst that brings anything to a head or makes things worse. In fact it's probably one of the few "soft landing" outcomes that could have splashed cold water on this whole thing.

Nope.  That’s a big part of my premise. At this stage the specifics of who did it doesn’t matter. 

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4 hours ago, bolverk said:

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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/12/climate/epa-emissions-data-collection-halt.html

The Environmental Protection Agency moved on Friday to stop requiring thousands of polluting facilities to report the amount of heat-trapping greenhouse gases that they release into the air.

The E.P.A. proposal would end requirements for thousands of coal-burning power plants, oil refineries, steel mills and other industrial facilities across the country. The government has been collecting this data since 2010 and it is a key tool to track carbon dioxide, methane and other gases that are driving climate change.

The Friday announcement comes as the Trump administration has systematically erased mentions of climate change from government websites while slashing federal funding for research on global warming.

“Alongside President Trump, E.P.A. continues to live up to the promise of unleashing energy dominance that powers the American dream,” Lee Zeldin, the E.P.A. administrator, said in a statement. “The Greenhouse Gas Reporting Program is nothing more than bureaucratic red tape.”

Mr. Zeldin said that ending the program would save American businesses up to $2.4 billion in compliance costs. The New York Times could not independently verify that claim; representatives for E.P.A. did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Critics said the proposal could hobble federal efforts to fight climate change, since the government cannot reduce emissions if it cannot measure how much is generated and where it is produced.

“With this move, they’re taking away the practical and material capacity of the federal government to do the basic elements of climate policymaking,” said Joseph Goffman, who led the E.P.A.’s air office during the Biden administration.

For the past 15 years, the Greenhouse Gas Reporting Program has collected data from about 8,000 of the country’s largest industrial facilities. That data has helped guide numerous decisions on federal policy and has been shared with the United Nations, which has required developed countries to submit tallies of their emissions.

In addition, private companies often rely on the program’s data to demonstrate to investors that their efforts to cut emissions are working. And communities often use it to determine whether local facilities are releasing air pollution that threatens public health.

The E.P.A. proposal would not directly eliminate emissions reporting requirements for certain oil and gas facilities such as pipelines that transport natural gas. That’s because those reports were required by Congress as part of the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act.

Instead, the E.P.A. wants to allow those specific oil and gas facilities to postpone emissions reporting until 2034. Congressional Republicans already delayed a related requirement for the facilities to pay a fee on their methane emissions until 2034.

Representatives for oil and gas industry trade and lobbying groups, including the American Petroleum Institute, did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The proposal follows a rapid-fire series of steps by the Trump administration to weaken or dismantle environmental protections.

In July, the E.P.A. moved to repeal the scientific finding that underpins the government’s legal authority to combat climate change. And in recent weeks, the White House has directed a half-dozen agencies to thwart the country’s offshore wind industry, a key source of emissions-free electricity.

Under the 2015 Paris Agreement, the United Nations has required all developed countries to provide data on their domestic emissions each year. But the United States missed an April deadline to submit its data, and Mr. Trump began the yearlong process of withdrawing from the Paris pact on his first day back in office.

This really isn't anything related to climate change, this is undoing decades of environmental regulation that has done observable good for the environment.

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10 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:


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Fuck everyone at the New York Times. They are all a big part of why we are where we are as a country.

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4 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Nope.  That’s a big part of my premise. At this stage the specifics of who did it doesn’t matter. 

disagree, respectfully….

i do think the first instance that occurs that fits their agenda will pop some things off, but this particular occurrence can no longer be a “Remember the Alamo” rally cry without repercussions.  

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On 9/11/2025 at 12:07 PM, wildcat09 said:

One thing that's really gnawing at me today is the response from notable liberals to Kirk's murder. It's not that it's bad for public officials and other notable liberals whose voices carry weight to speak out against political violence. But there was an immediate rush for them to get statements out yesterday like we've never seen before. I'm pretty sure Obama never even made a public statement about Melissa Hortman's assassination, but he had a statement out within like 30 minutes yesterday. Hortman was an elected representative and literally someone Obama had met and hosted at the White House.  But her assassination and the attempted assassination of another elected representative by a right winger with a hit list with like 70 more liberals on it (including Obama) didn't merit anything. That was just a fucking Tuesday, or whatever. And look at Ezra Klein's opinion today, just straight up lying to his audience that Kirk did politics "the right way." And I'm sure there's plenty of other similar statements/articles from liberal commentators pretending that Charlie Kirk was a great guy with whom they just had normal political disagreements.

There's only two explanations I can think of for this, neither of them good. First, it could just be conscious or even subconscious pre-emptive surrender on their part. Maybe they just think the fight has already been lost and they've resigned themselves to fascism dominion over America and don't want to endanger themselves. But if that's the case, I find it absolutely ridiculous. Yeah things are bad and everyone here knows I've been saying this shit is going to get very bad for a long time. But like I said yesterday, I don't know that this really gives them any ammunition to ratchet their propaganda up further because their reaction to this is virtually identical to their reaction to a million trivial things. There's already a fire raging, and this doesn't help, but I don't know that it really pours any substantial amount of gas on the fire and I still think there is a chance the fire can be contained, if not quickly extinguished. Just look at how incompetent they've been at so much of their attempt to consolidate power. Look at how fucking old and worthless Trump looks. Look at Republicans begging Pritzker to let them invade Chicago a little bit just as a treat. They are not a vigorous, unstoppable movement, and for liberals with real platforms to treat them as if they are is fucking embarrassing.  

The alternative, and I don't know if it's worse or better, is that they simply view Kirk as one of "them" in a way that a lowly state representative isn't, and that they just fundamentally think people of their social status matter more than a lowly state representative, much less us normal people.  That they just see it all as a game and think the players on the other side are as Good as they are, regardless of what they say or do.

I uh, think I hit the nail on the head with option 2. David Brooks isn’t exactly a liberal, but I think this is probably pretty representative among liberal and centrist pundits: 

 

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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

I uh, think I hit the nail on the head with option 2. David Brooks isn’t exactly a liberal, but I think this is probably pretty representative among liberal and centrist pundits: 

 

What an appalling analogy. That show sounds retarded.

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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

I uh, think I hit the nail on the head with option 2. David Brooks isn’t exactly a liberal, but I think this is probably pretty representative among liberal and centrist pundits: 

 

MAGA Lives Matter

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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

I uh, think I hit the nail on the head with option 2. David Brooks isn’t exactly a liberal, but I think this is probably pretty representative among liberal and centrist pundits: 

So the government / police killed Charlie Kirk???  Where can I subscribe to their newsletter to get the details?

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7 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

#Neverforget

 

As someone that has had more than his share of whisky at airports, that shit ain't cheap.

 

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2 hours ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

disagree, respectfully….

i do think the first instance that occurs that fits their agenda will pop some things off, but this particular occurrence can no longer be a “Remember the Alamo” rally cry without repercussions.  

We’ll see. I don’t see them toning down. 
Take matt forney. This was two days ago: “The American Reichstag fire”

This was 12 hours ago: “Groypers are functionally libtards”

This was 35 mins ago: “If Trump does not crush the left, average Americans *will* take matters into their own hands. The American Years of Lead have begun.”

 

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never heard of Forney until now, and i like to think i'm fairly well informed.

but i see he’s got 17k followers, which isn’t nothing, but still…it’s a small voice despite how loud it trolls (and he apparently literally wrote a book on trolling).   

and i don’t think a lot of his target audience who isn’t onboard already would be too enamored with following the author of “Do the Philippines: How to Make Love to Filipino Girls in the Philippines” into the idealogical abyss.  i mean i guess maybe a few don’t give a shit?  but he’s not Trump in that regard.  
 

but we’ll see…who knows.  
 

the fact that we’re actually having this discussion is indicative of how fucked up things are, sadly. 

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

We’ll see. I don’t see them toning down. 
Take matt forney. This was two days ago: “The American Reichstag fire”

This was 12 hours ago: “Groypers are functionally libtards”

This was 35 mins ago: “If Trump does not crush the left, average Americans *will* take matters into their own hands. The American Years of Lead have begun.”

 

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So, is Matt Forney admitting that MAGA had Charlie Kirk shot as a pretext to establishing its own version of Nazi Germany?

Because I would be inclined to hear him out on that.

But it's probably just more likely that he had never heard of the Reichstag Fire until this week.

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1 hour ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

 

Matt Forney

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Matt Foley

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betcha dollars to donuts Forney also lives in a van down by the river.   

That's got to be Cheeseburger Josh from the Whataburger fight. He's by no means the only person in maga that looks like that so I could be wrong. In fact, I posted this same video about some other Trumpy loon recently. Probably wasn't the same guy.

 

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This is Matt Forney:

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Here are some words about him:
 

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Born 1988 in upstate New York to a Catholic family, Forney was a writer for alternativeright.com (the fountainhead of the entire Alt and Dissident Right), but became an early cynic and critic of the Alt-Right and its failed leaders, especially Richard Spencer and Greg Johnson, whom he Christened "Grindr Greg." Earlier he was a involved in the manosphere and associated with Roosh V. 

He also wrote for Daniel Friberg's now defunct RightOn.net and lived in Budapest for a time. As Friberg "glows up" as a Kremlin asset, Forney is of course tainted by this association, and suspicions should at least be entertained about this part of his career. There is also a "theory" that he was one of the writers ghosting for Andrew Anglin at the Daily Stormer.

 

There is more about him in Slate's online site, but its paywalled. The above clip is from another rando source. Like a lot of RW types, he's gone mainstream but is still a little fringe for the time being. He's made the rounds on all the far right websites and other formats. Although unmarried, he believes in domestic abuse and by writing about it in a tongue-in-cheek manner (how to beat your wife and get away with it) passing it off as sexual play he underestimated I guess that some folks draw the line at beating your fem slave. So, not quite arrived, but don't count him out as an up and comer if he doesn't have a heart attack first.

Also, that photo that Kyrie Eleison posted seems accurate to me as well.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, TexArcher said:

So, is Matt Forney admitting that MAGA had Charlie Kirk shot as a pretext to establishing its own version of Nazi Germany?

Because I would be inclined to hear him out on that.

But it's probably just more likely that he had never heard of the Reichstag Fire until this week.

This was my first thought. Weird stance to take.

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Hopefully Matt Forney won't need to go within 100 yards of an elementary school in his crusade against the American left.

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9 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

#Neverforget

 

To be fair, though, he did, in proper Surly fashion, include the glass of whisky in his pic. For accuracy probably needed 2-3 dead soldiers, too. Left off the gun, but I guess that's understandable at the airport.

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3 hours ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

 

Matt Forney

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Matt Foley

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betcha dollars to donuts Forney also lives in a van down by the river.   

Goddamn.

As a hair-impaired person who shaves, I'm grateful for my long oval head and that I have resisted growing any sort of beard over the years.

I'm more of an index finger than a thumb.

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8 hours ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

never heard of Forney until now

You’re lucky. 

It doesn’t matter who the assassin is- there is no soft landing. 

a little more well known: 

3.8M followers, 11 hours ago:

9 hours ago, 225m followers 

 

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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

You’re lucky. 
 

a little more well known: 

3.8M followers, 11 hours ago:

9 hours ago, 225m followers 

 

Well I mean in Elmo's case he might be right.  If this thing tips and the torches come out his leadership position would put him pretty high on Madame Defarge's knitting work.

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How anyone can call Fuentes left wing is absolutely fucking crazy but I guess that's one of the false narratives that needs to be publicly knocked down, and hard asap.

Posted
29 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Meanwhile, woke Richard Hanania gets it:

 

What the fuck is going on here?  Several instances of Hanania going off script here.



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