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Just now, hornmpa96 said:

I’m not certain that it should be day of election, but it should wrap up in a couple of days. I believe that one set of federal rules should apply for federal elections across the board.

I don’t see why if large states like Florida can’t have their shit counted two hours after the polls close others can’t do the same.  

Posted
2 hours ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

This is a bit interesting given the self immolation/decimation MSM has undertaken in the last decade.  
 

The Fairness Doctrine was part of the deal for broadcasters to get public spectrum.  I don’t think it would make any  difference unless it’s applied to Social Media and Podcasts and Cable… which is a stickier wicket. 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

This is a bit interesting given the self immolation/decimation MSM has undertaken in the last decade.  
 

The Fairness Doctrine was part of the deal for broadcasters to get public spectrum.  I don’t think it would make any  difference unless it’s applied to Social Media and Podcasts and Cable… which is a stickier wicket. 

Yup I tend to agree. It’s an extremely antiquated idea for modern media/news consumption 

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Posted
Just now, immamac said:

I don't think you understand the point. 

Humans are not fat. You  don't "trim the fat" when it relates to humans. You can do this other ways with cost controls, vendor management, all the other levers are trimming fat. People are always structural  it's bone and flesh and limbs. When you lay off people it's not fat. 

Buybacks serve one purpose, inflating stock valuations and shareholder appeasement. Stock buybacks shouldn't be banned but there absolutely should be additional requirements that make it essentially the last thing on the list to deploy capital. 

In Europe you can't just lay people off cuz of a bad quarterly result. This is what a lot of people like you don't understand it seems. The behavior of American companies towards Americans is dehumanizing and incredibly fucking immoral. What Google is doing is absolutely bullshit. They are suffocating all of the innovation and have a monopoly that makes it impossible to do anything and at the same time are making their product worse and investing less and less on it. 

I'm tired of people defending corporations for severely unethical behavior in the name of shareholder demands or fiduciary responsibility. I suggest you read some wheresyoured.at and understand how fucking rotten all these companies have become. 

I've been an executive at a fortune 500 company. It's absolutely horrible how the C suite and senior executives view employees. It's disgusting 

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Posted
1 minute ago, immamac said:

I don't think you understand the point. 

Humans are not fat. You  don't "trim the fat" when it relates to humans. You can do this other ways with cost controls, vendor management, all the other levers are trimming fat. People are always structural  it's bone and flesh and limbs. When you lay off people it's not fat. 

Buybacks serve one purpose, inflating stock valuations and shareholder appeasement. Stock buybacks shouldn't be banned but there absolutely should be additional requirements that make it essentially the last thing on the list to deploy capital. 

In Europe you can't just lay people off cuz of a bad quarterly result. This is what a lot of people like you don't understand it seems. The behavior of American companies towards Americans is dehumanizing and incredibly fucking immoral. What Google is doing is absolutely bullshit. They are suffocating all of the innovation and have a monopoly that makes it impossible to do anything and at the same time are making their product worse and investing less and less on it. 

I'm tired of people defending corporations for severely unethical behavior in the name of shareholder demands or fiduciary responsibility. I suggest you read some wheresyoured.at and understand how fucking rotten all these companies have become. 

I've been an executive at a fortune 500 company. It's absolutely horrible how the C suite and senior executives view employees. It's disgusting 

I would gladly consider the German system with an employee representative who sits on the Board. I absolutely believe most corporate boards do not properly provide oversight on senior management.

In my post, I specifically stated that I have no knowledge on Google’s situation. I have been through several layoffs and it was always brutal.

Buybacks are already essentially the last place to deploy capital. By providing a buyback, the company is admitting it doesn’t have anywhere else to deploy the cash profitably.

 

 

 

 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Perhaps we should all accept an uncomfortable fact.

Democracy is a horrible system for selecting leaders.


What if there is no good system for selecting leaders?

What if the problems inflicted on a planet with 8 billion people are so severe that no leader can save us from them?

 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

What if the problems inflicted on a planet with 8 billion people are so severe that no leader can save us from them?

The pretense of the USA is a leader isn’t supposed to save us.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:


What if there is no good system for selecting leaders?

What if the problems inflicted on a planet with 8 billion people are so severe that no leader can save us from them?

 

That's certainly possible.

But perhaps after the next mass extinction event the survivors will come up with a better system.

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6 minutes ago, hornmpa96 said:

I would gladly consider the German system with an employee representative who sits on the Board. I absolutely believe most corporate boards do not properly provide oversight on senior management.

In my post, I specifically stated that I have no knowledge on Google’s situation. I have been through several layoffs and it was always brutal.

Buybacks are already essentially the last place to deploy capital. By providing a buyback, the company is admitting it doesn’t have anywhere else to deploy the cash profitably.

 

 

 

 

Investing in your employees is profitable. Just not in the next quarter

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15 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

What if there is no good system for selecting leaders?

What if the problems inflicted on a planet with 8 billion people are so severe that no leader can save us from them?

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Posted
1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:

Can we agree vote count should be finished on day of election?  Not talking about any recounts.  But what Arizona and Nevada do is absurd.  They should change their laws.  

Day of election? As in midnight? Midnight local time? Pacific time?

I think we(citizens) all want elections to be fast and quick. 8 hour lines. Everybody working until 5pm on election day, means closing hours are busy. It should be a national holiday.

Posted
3 hours ago, pacman said:

Speaking of truce, can we all agree the Russian interference and disinformation in this country is out of control? Highlighted by 100s of bomb threats from Russia at polling stations on Tuesday. Highlighted by influencers being paid by Russia to spread lies in the USA 

That can't happen.

Is that an agreeable stance for all?

Dude, bomb threats are free speech in this timeline.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

This is a bit interesting given the self immolation/decimation MSM has undertaken in the last decade.  
 

The Fairness Doctrine was part of the deal for broadcasters to get public spectrum.  I don’t think it would make any  difference unless it’s applied to Social Media and Podcasts and Cable… which is a stickier wicket. 

This is actually a good idea. Well done.

Posted
57 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Perhaps we should all accept an uncomfortable fact.

Democracy is a horrible system for selecting leaders.

An uninformed populace is going to cause problems anywhere. 
Here we add in the issues of binary choice and numerous anti democratic measures and it’s amazing we haven’t had this happen more often.

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Posted
12 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

So, I'm wrong in my perception that having non-party line ideas that fall on both sides of the teams is openly accepted? 

Yes, come into CR with a reasoned opinion and not something semi- or non-factually based, you get a dialog.

No one does that.

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Posted
7 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

An uninformed populace is going to cause problems anywhere. 
Here we add in the issues of binary choice and numerous anti democratic measures and it’s amazing we haven’t had this happen more often.

Completely agree.  I wasn't speaking only about the US.

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Posted
5 hours ago, BevoAbyss said:

Hey, look:

It's a thread where everyone can kumbaya themselves to the fact that they are living in a Christian Misogynist Fascist Nation-State. 

Lulz. 

Brisket and I (and some others) warned y'all of this.

 

And no one disagreed with you.

You have become a beating.

Posted
22 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


Refresh my memory. Which article says that the pretense of the U.S. is that a leader isn't supposed to save us? 


I never said the Constitution said that.

I’d say Lincoln said something to that effect in the Gettysburg Address.

 

that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth

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When Florida was a more bipartisan state, they actually passed pretty fucking decent laws that resulted counting ballots faster. They were embarrassed over the hanging chad shit, so that’s partially why they did this. 

Florida passed a law that allows for them to start counting mail-in ballots 22 days before Election Day. State law says early voting ballots must be completely counted before Election Day as well. In Florida, the mail-in ballot has to be received by a certain time on Election Day. In Nevada, it just has to be postmarked by that day. Part of the reason Nevada has that law is because of those citizens who live in the remote areas of the state mail takes longer or they don’t have access like those in Reno or Vegas. 

Republicans go against bills to help count faster because the slower tabulation time feeds the narrative republicans want which is “rigged” when it’s really not. Dems want to be able to count faster—republicans don’t.

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3 minutes ago, Incredulity said:


I never said the Constitution said that.

I’d say Lincoln said something to that effect in the Gettysburg Address.

 

that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth


You said that the whole pretense of the United States is that leaders are not supposed to save us. Your Gettysburg Address quote says nothing about leaders not being supposed to save us. 

And Lincoln literally saved the United States. 



 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

When Florida was a more bipartisan state, they actually passed pretty fucking decent laws that resulted counting ballots faster. They were embarrassed over the hanging chad shit, so that’s partially why they did this. 

Florida passed a law that allows for them to start counting mail-in ballots 22 days before Election Day. State law says early voting ballots must be completely counted before Election Day as well. In Florida, the mail-in ballot has to be received by a certain time on Election Day. In Nevada, it just has to be postmarked by that day. Part of the reason Nevada has that law is because of those citizens who live in the remote areas of the state mail takes longer or they don’t have access like those in Reno or Vegas. 

Republicans go against bills to help count faster because the slower tabulation time feeds the narrative republicans want which is “rigged” when it’s really not. Dems want to be able to count faster—republicans don’t.

Don’t democrats control Nevada politics?  Haven’t they for a long time?

Posted
3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

When Florida was a more bipartisan state, they actually passed pretty fucking decent laws that resulted counting ballots faster. They were embarrassed over the hanging chad shit, so that’s partially why they did this. 

Florida passed a law that allows for them to start counting mail-in ballots 22 days before Election Day. State law says early voting ballots must be completely counted before Election Day as well. In Florida, the mail-in ballot has to be received by a certain time on Election Day. In Nevada, it just has to be postmarked by that day. Part of the reason Nevada has that law is because of those citizens who live in the remote areas of the state mail takes longer or they don’t have access like those in Reno or Vegas. 

Republicans go against bills to help count faster because the slower tabulation time feeds the narrative republicans want which is “rigged” when it’s really not. Dems want to be able to count faster—republicans don’t.

You know what makes vote counting faster?  Dominion machines and similar.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


You said that the whole pretense of the United States is that leaders are not supposed to save us. Your Gettysburg Address quote says nothing about leaders not being supposed to save us. 

And Lincoln literally saved the United States. 



 

The US was founded based on the rejection of a King and forming a government as Lincoln put it, “Of the people, by the people, for the people”. We are the government not some all powerful leader.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

The US was founded based on the rejection of a King and forming a government as Lincoln put it, “Of the people, by the people, for the people”. We are the government not some all powerful leader.


I agree with you. But that's not what you said, nor is it what I took issue with.

 

Posted
15 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

'd love to be able to engage in conversations, not team red or blue matching order shouting matches.

It’s pretty easy actually.   Pick a specific policy and discuss, once you filter out the culture war BS that gets pushed (mostly by the people who claim to hate it but know it lines their pockets and wins elections ) you’d be amazed how unfar people are apart.  It’s my go to when around republicans.   Don’t talk politician X vs Y,  just talk specific items.  See the trumps economy thread for a good example.

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Posted
4 hours ago, Incredulity said:

No, it’s exactly what I said.

Nah, you said the US isn't supposed to need a savior leader, and then provided a quote referring to the basic concept of govt of the people for the people in support. And then you argued that saying the US isn't a monarchy is the same as saying the US doesn't need a leader to save it.

Apparently you think only a monarch could save a country(?) It doesn't really make sense. Hopefully you're drunk or something. 

Posted
7 hours ago, Incredulity said:

This is a bit interesting given the self immolation/decimation MSM has undertaken in the last decade.  
 

The Fairness Doctrine was part of the deal for broadcasters to get public spectrum.  I don’t think it would make any  difference unless it’s applied to Social Media and Podcasts and Cable… which is a stickier wicket. 

Well it took the overturning of the fairness doctrine to create cable news. It popped up after once Ted Turner realized he could make a profit. And it’s been downhill since. So yeah, you eliminate what can’t fit into the boundaries, or it conforms to the rules. 

7 hours ago, hornmpa96 said:

I would gladly consider the German system with an employee representative who sits on the Board. I absolutely believe most corporate boards do not properly provide oversight on senior management.

In my post, I specifically stated that I have no knowledge on Google’s situation. I have been through several layoffs and it was always brutal.

Buybacks are already essentially the last place to deploy capital. By providing a buyback, the company is admitting it doesn’t have anywhere else to deploy the cash profitably.

 

 

 

 

Well, I can think of one way buybacks can be nefarious. When you lay off a fuck ton of employees, then a couple weeks later say “well, we’ve got all this extra money and nothing to do with it. Buybacks I guess.”

Posted
7 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Perhaps we should all accept an uncomfortable fact.

Democracy is a horrible system for selecting leaders.

When the electorate is uninformed it is. Or in the current case, misinformed. 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Well it took the overturning of the fairness doctrine to create cable news. It popped up after once Ted Turner realized he could make a profit.

Ted Turner launched CNN seven years before Reagan revoked the Fairness Doctrine. 

Posted
1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Ted Turner launched CNN seven years before Reagan revoked the Fairness Doctrine. 

You’re right, I thought the beginners doctor was revoked in 80. Guess we’re all just stupid?

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I heard, I think on NPR, a history of CNN.

In the early days of cable, Turner had his stations that made their money off sports broadcasting and syndicated content, ie re-runs and old movies.  So, kind of lowest-common-denominator entertainment.

The FCC notified Ted that to retain its broadcasting license, it would have to provide news content, pursuant to the Fairness Doctrine (which required not only fairness in content, but required news content).  Ted hated this and created CNN specifically to be infotainment, presumably to sell more ads.

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Posted
3 hours ago, Hookah Horns said:

Nah, you said the US isn't supposed to need a savior leader, and then provided a quote referring to the basic concept of govt of the people for the people in support. And then you argued that saying the US isn't a monarchy is the same as saying the US doesn't need a leader to save it.

Apparently you think only a monarch could save a country(?) It doesn't really make sense. Hopefully you're drunk or something. 

Your two paragraphs here directly contradict each other.

 

 

Posted
10 hours ago, Incredulity said:

The Fairness Doctrine was part of the deal for broadcasters to get public spectrum.  I don’t think it would make any  difference unless it’s applied to Social Media and Podcasts and Cable… which is a stickier wicket. 

I appreciate you bringing this subject up. 

It's fairly easy to assume no guardrails will be applied to social media during a Trump presidency. And I didn't hear any concern from the higher ups in the Democratic Party, so I doubt a theoretical Kamala presidency would have helped either. 

Even if you remove anything political on the app, anyone that has used and engaged with Twitter for a long time can see how much Elon fucked it up. It's not just one decision by him, it's a series of massive errors that have made it sooooooo bad. Monthly payments, blue check power, monetization, ridiculous algorithm, and no moderation. Sports twitter is a disaster. Entertainment twitter is a disaster. Reading replies is a worthless exercise and cesspool. The ads are for nothing but scams. 

Clearly political twitter is a disaster. Tons of #Resistance Libs posting stupid shit to rile people up. I won't tolerate a "both side" equivalency though. It's much worse on the right. Elon's idea of "citizen journalism" is an absolute joke. People openly lie for engagement and $$$. And most lap it up. We have free speeched ourselves into an Idiocracy. 

But I don't know the right answer to make things better. 

 

Posted
10 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

The democratic platform is soup to nuts a fucking loser. The American public just told everyone paying attention that fact. It’s a fucking loser. All branches of government and a popular vote fucking loss. How many people here would have bet their life savings that Trump loses the popular vote, even if he lost the presidency? Every motherfucker that posts in the CR. 
 

You can blame low educated voters. You can blame a media based on profit versus informing citizens. You can blame whoever the fuck you want. But it’s a fucking loser. That video Bo&W posted was right; introspection. You can’t make changes if you don’t win, and you’re not winning on your current platform. 
 

this isn’t a rah rah post for the right. It’s just a fact. Loser platform. 50% of white women said fuck off. 45% of Latinos said go fuck yourself. Young men of all demographics said eat my ass. Blaming messaging and libsplaining some principle skinner bullshit. “Oh if they just didn’t understand.” America is fucking dumb. You can’t make them understand. Stop trying. Figure out a new platform and new messaging because America sucks right now. And the right sucks balls too but at the end of the day no one seems fucking happy except the trolls over here dunking on their day of identity politics victory. 

 

 

I think this is exactly right. I said it before, if there is one upside to this, it's laid the truth bare about America. There's not any room for illusion and wishcasting anymore, this is who we are.

 

One thing I would definitely like to say though, as far as me personally, when I speak of being transactional,  I'm not going out of my way to be mean to anyone. I just don't care. I'm by default someone who greets people with a smile, kindness is always something that matters to me. But I'm not going to help you anymore if you chose this unless there's something in it for me. That's what you voted for, so that's what you will get. I'm not going to sever my preexisting relationships either if someone voted Turnip. But those relationships will absolutely change into something less than they were, and that isn't something I chose, but something those people chose. As I summed up before, these people chose to break the country willingly, it's on them to put it back together if they want.

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