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8 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

I won’t spoil anything or geek it up in here, but Andor perfectly encapsulated the Democratic party in one of the last episodes. The head of the Dems are actively working against having any sort of groundswell to fight against MAGA. Of course, we don’t have an Andor despite what people want to think about AOC and Bernie, or a rebellion, since liberal women going to a park twice a month with poster boards isn’t helping. But we do have a high counsel that is fighting to make sure nothing happens at all. 

Democrats are the worst party in history, a big tent failure of the highest order and all of the old republic democrats need the boot.

One day Trump will erect a Berlin wall because everybody important is leaving and people will still forget they ever said walls to keep people out not in.

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7 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

I won’t spoil anything or geek it up in here, but Andor perfectly encapsulated the Democratic party in one of the last episodes. The head of the Dems are actively working against having any sort of groundswell to fight against MAGA. Of course, we don’t have an Andor despite what people want to think about AOC and Bernie, or a rebellion, since liberal women going to a park twice a month with poster boards isn’t helping. But we do have a high counsel that is fighting to make sure nothing happens at all. 

If I see Hakeem Jeffries on my tv looking very tired and bored, whining about "Trump's policies" one more time I'm going to lose my mind. 

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22 hours ago, Superhero said:

With so many "Trump fucked you over" executive orders and other shenanigans, which one will the dems use as "private email server" or Bengazi as their attack?

 

That was a rhetorical question. None of them. Because they're the worst at messaging.

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They also don't have a unified following of hateful zombies anxious for the next idiotic comminiqué to fill the rotten hole where their human brains used to be.

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They have this:

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For a war, got to go with the image at top. For a civilization, go with that on the bottom.

We're in deep shit!

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Democrats are the worst party in history, a big tent failure of the highest order and all of the old republic democrats need the boot.
One day Trump will erect a Berlin wall because everybody important is leaving and people will still forget they ever said walls to keep people out not in.

This thread is littered with victims of movements that were co-opted by fanatics and nefarious entities using sophisticated active measures campaigns.

The Old Guard sees no path to victory in America taking on wedge issues like identity politics or taking a strong positions on quagmires like Palestine.

The BLM (not an old guard movement) was a gift that keeps on giving for MAGA. Also co-opted.

Palestinian protests against Dems is another gift for MAGA who leverages bothsides sentiment, even though they are firmly supported by rightwing Zionists no matter the MAGA foreign policy theatrics.

There are no easy solutions and blaming Old Guard pragmatism is part of the problem many times.
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A better analogous movie than Andor is A Few Good Men

Weinberg is the old guard, occasionally even agreeing with the other side

Galloway is the Woke crowd, wanting everyone to strenuously object on social media and protesting democratic leaders in self-owns. Going behind peoples back to do stupid things like going to Aunt Jenny.

We need more Kaffees who use their gifts to systematically find a way to win, even if some risk is involved. Ironically, I see someone like Buttigieg in this role. And hopefully more and more gifted leaders and organizations step up, motivate and mobilize others and seek ways to win.



Epilogue

Maybe Trump is Colonel Jessep. Unfortunately, he confesses to felonies on a daily basis without consequence to himself.

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Democrats are the worst party in history, a big tent failure of the highest order and all of the old republic democrats need the boot.
One day Trump will erect a Berlin wall because everybody important is leaving and people will still forget they ever said walls to keep people out not in.

Shut the fuck up. They don’t have a propaganda network cause their constituents don’t buy that shit. Not their fault stupids breed.
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50 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:


This thread is littered with victims of movements that were co-opted by fanatics and nefarious entities using sophisticated active measures campaigns.

The Old Guard sees no path to victory in America taking on wedge issues like identity politics or taking a strong positions on quagmires like Palestine.

The BLM (not an old guard movement) was a gift that keeps on giving for MAGA. Also co-opted.

Palestinian protests against Dems is another gift for MAGA who leverages bothsides sentiment, even though they are firmly supported by rightwing Zionists no matter the MAGA foreign policy theatrics.

There are no easy solutions and blaming Old Guard pragmatism is part of the problem many times.

There are easy solutions, concentrating on the fundamentals, people are selfish, work on increasing their income over their spending, concentrate just on that and win elections

Everything else is a trap. Including the centrist trap of promising Goldman and Sach's solutions.

 

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10 minutes ago, Nivek said:


Shut the fuck up. They don’t have a propaganda network cause their constituents don’t buy that shit. Not their fault stupids breed.

The Communist bloc had a vast propaganda network and they still lost lots of elections during the late 80s

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13 minutes ago, Nivek said:


Shut the fuck up. They don’t have a propaganda network cause their constituents don’t buy that shit. Not their fault stupids breed.

I feel like I've repeated this a gazillion times, but they don't need a propaganda network, they need messages that resonate with voters. AOC and Bernie, and Buttigieg to an extent, are literally the only ones going out there and actually saying words people want to hear. The rest of them, it feels sometimes like they are all just acting like clones of Chuck Schumer and no one gives a fuck/it's just annoying.

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1 minute ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Who are the most popular democrats right now?

I'd guess AOC and Buttigieg, the same ones are actually, forcefully, calling out R's bullshit the loudest. Not a coincidence imo. 

 

There are no popular democrats right now.

Seriously.  The "most popular" democrats right now have slightly more support and popularity than the "most popular Surly posters."  And about as much significance on the national stage.

The GQP propaganda efforts worked.  All Dems are literal demons who drink the blood of children and require schoolkids to undergo gender reassignment surgery at random over the lunch hour.

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I feel like I've repeated this a gazillion times, but they don't need a propaganda network, they need messages that resonate with voters. AOC and Bernie, and Buttigieg to an extent, are literally the only ones going out there and actually saying words people want to hear. The rest of them, it feels sometimes like they are all just acting like clones of Chuck Schumer and no one gives a fuck/it's just annoying.

And those messages are not getting through the algorithm and propaganda networks. My father had no idea about the Trump crypto coins. None.
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5 minutes ago, Nivek said:

And those messages are not getting through the algorithm and propaganda networks.

Those networks "flood the zone" so completely as to be impenetrable.  They create such a density, a singularity of unreality, that not even a photon of reality can enter.

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7 minutes ago, Nivek said:


And those messages are not getting through the algorithm and propaganda networks. My father had no idea about the Trump crypto coins. None.

That is why the plane story is so important that penetrated the veil because it kept getting on the news, people don't understand cryptocurrencies and people bemoaning how the plane made the news and not the giga corruption makes me angry.

Flood the plane story, stop being so god damn pedantic. Only once the plane story dies bring it up again, and when finally they tell you to shut up about it bring up the crypto scandal.

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6 minutes ago, Nivek said:


And those messages are not getting through the algorithm and propaganda networks. My father had no idea about the Trump crypto coins. None.

You're not wrong, but the non-propagandist media networks basically have nothing to run in opposition because the "voice" of the Democrat party is an annoying, dry, crusty ass old liberal that has nothing to say but repeat old liberal talking points that nobody gives a fuck about and clearly demonstrated his complete lack of spine when the spending bill was on the table, so he has no fucking credibility either.

AOC and Bernie, and to a lesser extent Buttigieg, currently have a broader appeal among voters than pretty much any other US politician you can name (in either party) but the Democrat party is so stuck in its ways of being nothing more than controlled opposition that basically does nothing but pay lip service to ideas that their potential voter base actually care about, that they will continue to be sidelined so Chuck Schumer can go on TV and whine about Trump and then vote in lockstep with him for "decorum" or whatever the fuck.

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1 hour ago, linux said:

There are easy solutions, concentrating on the fundamentals, people are selfish, work on increasing their income over their spending, concentrate just on that and win elections

Everything else is a trap. Including the centrist trap of promising Goldman and Sach's solutions.

 

Honestly, the problem is far less the Democratic parties fault, although of course, they bear some fault, then it is the destruction of news that pretends to be objective.   

Having spent at least seven decades on this planet, it is my opinion that we have essentially the same amount of uneducated gullible mooks as we ever did.  What we did not have are supposed news outlets like Fox News spreading completely false news to injure one political party while completely ignoring the broadcast of news problematic for their preferred political party.    

And while I get that people will depend on Facebook and their friends and family for some information, it was Rush and the GOP who convinced a large part of the country that there is absolutely no true fact to be gleaned by reading the Washington Post or New York Times or any newspaper that is not MAGA supportive.   I grew up watching the news in the 60s and the objective facts in the ABC NBC and CBS nightly shows did not vary that much in content.    They more or less gave straight news reporting and then people argued about what the facts meant.   There were no such things as alternative facts.  THAT situation is the most damaging.  Once you convince a large portion of America that they are a disloyal non-patriot if they receive news from anywhere but the Dear Leader’s source, there is nothing a democrat can say on a stump speech or commercial that will penetrate through that thick steel curtain of stupidity. 

When people talk about the better talking points that Democrats could make, they gloss over the fact that a third of the country will never see that point - or if the commercial starts to come on - they will turn the channel or start talking transgender operations during the rest of it.     Advocating for better messaging is obviously a great thing, but it seems to ignore that one side has made it a religion not to listen to or believe that messaging, be it better or not. 

That in my opinion is the bigger problem. A third of the country totally embraces self-induced voluntary ignorance of the other side’s alleged facts.  Until that changes, there is very little that the Democrats can do except wait for the GOP to run the country so far in the ground that they look for an alternative. 

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2 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Honestly, the problem is far less the Democratic parties fault, although of course, they bear some fault, then it is the destruction of news that pretends to be objective.   

Having spent at least seven decades on this planet, it is my opinion that we have essentially the same amount of uneducated gullible mooks as we ever did.  What we did not have are supposed news outlets like Fox News spreading completely false news to injure one political party while completely ignoring the broadcast of news problematic for their preferred political party.    

And while I get that people will depend on Facebook and their friends and family for some information, it was Rush and the GOP who convinced a large part of the country that there is absolutely no true fact to be cleaned by reading the Washington Post or New York Times or any newspaper that is not MAGA supportive.   I grew up watching the news in the 60s and the objective facts in the ABC NBC and CBS nightly shows did not vary that much in content.    They more or less gave straight news reporting and then people argued about what the facts meant.   There were no such things as alternative facts.  THAT situation is the most damaging.  Once you convince a large portion of America that they are a disloyal non-patriot if they news from anywhere but the Dear Leader’s source, there is nothing a democrat can say on a stump speech or commercial that will penetrate through that thick steel curtain of stupidity. 

When people talk about the better talking points that Democrats could make, they gloss over the fact that a third of the country will never see that point - or if the commercial starts to come on - they will turn the channel or start talking transgender operations during the rest of it.     Advocating for better messaging is obviously a great thing, but it seems to ignore that one side has made it a religion not to listen to or believe that messaging, be it better or not. 

That in my opinion is the bigger problem. A third of the country totally embraces self-induced voluntary ignorance of the other side’s alleged facts.  Until that changes, there is very little that the Democrats can do except wait for the GOP to run the country so far in the ground that they look for an alternative. 

This already happened see Trump I, but instead of capitalizing with Biden we got a "gee whiz lets all get along" putz

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3 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

You're not wrong, but the non-propagandist media networks basically have nothing to run in opposition because the "voice" of the Democrat party is an annoying, dry, crusty ass old liberal that has nothing to say but repeat old liberal talking points that nobody gives a fuck about and clearly demonstrated his complete lack of spine when the spending bill was on the table, so he has no fucking credibility either.

AOC and Bernie, and to a lesser extent Buttigieg, currently have a broader appeal among voters than pretty much any other US politician you can name (in either party) but the Democrat party is so stuck in its ways of being nothing more than controlled opposition that basically does nothing but pay lip service to ideas that their potential voter base actually care about, that they will continue to be sidelined so Chuck Schumer can go on TV and whine about Trump and then vote in lockstep with him for "decorum" or whatever the fuck.

They already ramped up the hate machine against AOC so their response is knee-jerk, much like that of Hillary.  There is no chance she can reach them.   Pete does a damn fine job as coming across as likeable and intelligent.  But I think homophobia will limit him.   A mediocre white man is what is needed right now.   

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1 hour ago, Eskimohorn said:

Maybe Trump is Colonel Jessep. Unfortunately, he confesses to felonies on a daily basis without consequence to himself.

I would 100% rather have Col. Jessup as President.

At least he is honest about what he is.

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19 minutes ago, linux said:

That is why the plane story is so important that penetrated the veil because it kept getting on the news, people don't understand cryptocurrencies and people bemoaning how the plane made the news and not the giga corruption makes me angry.

Flood the plane story, stop being so god damn pedantic. Only once the plane story dies bring it up again, and when finally they tell you to shut up about it bring up the crypto scandal.

The whole not giving a shit about the Constitution and Due Process should be the biggest story.  But they never heard about that either.  The bribes, market manipulation for investing purposes (tariffs), doesn't land with them.  It doesn't land with the poors either because they think it doesn't involve them.  

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17 hours ago, Hermanator said:

I've officially given up. 

This authoritarianism is 100 percent going to happen. We're going to continue to get screwed over more and more, the brainwashed will continue to justify and rationalize all of it, and everything will get worse day by day until the breaking point where it devolves into mass violence by the authoritarian dictatorship against the people or the brainwashed against their fellow citizens. America's scientists and researchers are fleeing in droves and will only increase the drain

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250408-major-brain-drain-researchers-eye-exit-from-trump-s-america

Democrat leadership isn't interesting in fighting it. They want to keep pretending it's 1976 and business as usual.

looking for a way out. Have no idea how that will happen, and it may never happen, but will keep trying. 

Where you gonna go that the rich won't want to take a huge slice?  Everything belongs to them is their view.  Colonialism 101.  Also, we have a history of breaking treaties, yet we thought it wouldn't ever affect us, regular people?  We're watching the rule of law now to see what breaks and which way, with 2 SCJustices admittedly ready to concede everything to the rich.  Any of them that take gifts are ready to sign off--that's the cost of what they're receiving. 

What I don't get is how billionaires and soon to be trillionaires can direct people to believe that immigrants, poor and minorities are taking all their money and benefits.  It's all right there in the word billionaire, yet we look at the impoverished and decide they're the ones fucking us over. But in the end, the rich will end up on hooks, which is the way it's ever been.  Yet they persist, same as criminals with the belief that they can make it work for them. The masses will eventually take back their pound of flesh and it will all repeat again.    

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20 minutes ago, Nivek said:

A mediocre white man is what is needed right now.   

It’s time for the Surley PAC to get to work. We’ve got a target-rich environment here.  Secretary of State Derka solving the Middle East crisis seems as reasonable as anything else that’s happened in recent years.

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18 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

I would 100% rather have Col. Jessup as President.

At least he is honest about what he is.

Zero kidding here -- I'd absolutely prefer Col Jessup.  Because, while he was completely wrongheaded about it, his motivation at least included a genuine goal of protecting the country.  Col. Jessup wasn't looking out for Col. Jessup (well, not only looking out for himself), he genuinely intended to serve the greater good, even if his vision of how to do so was twisted.

There is not a single atom of Donald Trump that is not singularly focused on feeding his selfish ends.

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40 minutes ago, Nivek said:

A mediocre white man is what is needed right now.   

So many possible Surly presidential candidates.  I hereby throw my hat in the ring.

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It’s time for the Surley PAC to get to work. We’ve got a target-rich environment here.  Secretary of State Derka solving the Middle East crisis seems as reasonable as anything else that’s happened in recent years.

“Hey guys, I’ve brought my own recipe for the hookah. You should give it a try before we talk business.”


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