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That building houses the training facility for the bomb squad... So lets try to hold off on the insanity for a little bit before we get some better information. 

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The cause of the explosion has not yet been officially confirmed. However, KTLA’s Eric Spillman, speaking with sources close to the investigation, reported that deputies were in the process of moving unexploded ordnance recovered Thursday night when one device detonated.

When asked by KTLA’s Frank Buckley if the detonation was accidental, L.A. County Supervisor Kathryn Barger said “all roads lead back to that.”

“I think it’s important for the Sheriff’s Department, for Sheriff [Robert] Luna to get out and dispel any rumors and also provide the facts and fill in the blanks on that,” she added. “I am confident, though, that that is what the conclusion is going to be.”

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23 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

The cause of the explosion has not yet been officially confirmed. However, KTLA’s Eric Spillman, speaking with sources close to the investigation, reported that deputies were in the process of moving unexploded ordnance recovered Thursday night when one device detonated.

When asked by KTLA’s Frank Buckley if the detonation was accidental, L.A. County Supervisor Kathryn Barger said “all roads lead back to that.”

“I think it’s important for the Sheriff’s Department, for Sheriff [Robert] Luna to get out and dispel any rumors and also provide the facts and fill in the blanks on that,” she added. “I am confident, though, that that is what the conclusion is going to be.”

Sad situation. 

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30 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

However, KTLA’s Eric Spillman, speaking with sources close to the investigation, reported that deputies were in the process of moving unexploded ordnance recovered Thursday night when one device detonated.

Not buying that. They found ordnance on Thursday with the capability for serious damage, and they took it back to "base" with them, rather than detonate in place?

Still have my money on a training accident.

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8 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Not buying that. They found ordnance on Thursday with the capability for serious damage, and they took it back to "base" with them, rather than detonate in place?

Still have my money on a training accident.

This.  Why would you bring back risky uxo 1) back to a building, 2) around multiple people?  You dispose of it in-place, or you transport in a secure transport, then one person handles it (at least, that would be my expectation.  Then again, I've never served on a bomb squad.  I've blown up a toilet or two in my day, though).

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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  Why would you bring back risky uxo 1) back to a building, 2) around multiple people?  You dispose of it in-place, or you transport in a secure transport, then one person handles it (at least, that would be my expectation.  Then again, I've never served on a bomb squad.  I've blown up a toilet or two in my day, though).

Right, but you did it while you were still at Pancho's, you didn't bring that unexploded ordnance back to home base.

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7 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Right, but you did it while you were still at Pancho's, you didn't bring that unexploded ordnance back to home base.

That's not entirely correct.  I recall one specific Pancho's trip in college.  There were 5 of us.  Our house had 4 shitters.  4 of us had called dibs on a specific shitter before we reached home.  One dude was the odd-man out, doing the "trying not to shit my pants" dance outside as he waited for a shitter to open up.  So, we ALL made it home before we did the damage.  But one guy suffered more than the rest.

Such is the nature of Pancho's.  Pancho's can teach you some real life-lessons.

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1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

Not buying that. They found ordnance on Thursday with the capability for serious damage, and they took it back to "base" with them, rather than detonate in place?

Still have my money on a training accident.

We have no idea where it was originally located.  Was it in someone's house?  We still blowing in place?  An urban area?

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8 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

We have no idea where it was originally located.  Was it in someone's house?  We still blowing in place?  An urban area?

I can't speak to LASD protocols, but at least in Austin, that's what they did this past spring.

 

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1 hour ago, Herbie Hancock said:

I expect Schulz and our other semen to be along shortly.

IYAOYAS

Ordinance. Always the dumbest people on the aircraft carrier.

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9 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I can't speak to LASD protocols, but at least in Austin, that's what they did this past spring.

 

It depends.  If they "can" blow in place, they often will, but that's not a given.  Especially if it's a part of an investigation.  Components of the explosive, compounds, etc.  Certain compounds are extremely hard to procure.  Are the military-grade?  Are certain types of explosives missing?  Etc.  

In this case, it was powerful enough to kill three people.  Was it an IED?  If it was LEO training - they'd be using det cord and/or door breaching charges.  And if this is the case, why was the plastique and the blasting caps in close proximity to each other???

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2 hours ago, chainsaw said:

Maybe some of the people who got exploded knew too much about something that a sheriff's department gang member didn't want them testifying about

So we getting the Wire.WestCoast version?

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22 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Ordinance. Always the dumbest people on the aircraft carrier.

JAG corps is that bad?  They deal with ordinances, right?

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21 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

It depends.  If they "can" blow in place, they often will, but that's not a given.  Especially if it's a part of an investigation.  Components of the explosive, compounds, etc.  Certain compounds are extremely hard to procure.  Are the military-grade?  Are certain types of explosives missing?  Etc.  

In this case, it was powerful enough to kill three people.  Was it an IED?  If it was LEO training - they'd be using det cord and/or door breaching charges.  And if this is the case, why was the plastique and the blasting caps in close proximity to each other???

Yeah, I don't know the first thing about any of that stuff. I just brought up the only recent example I know of.

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It depends.  If they "can" blow in place, they often will, but that's not a given.  Especially if it's a part of an investigation.  Components of the explosive, compounds, etc.  Certain compounds are extremely hard to procure.  Are the military-grade?  Are certain types of explosives missing?  Etc.  
In this case, it was powerful enough to kill three people.  Was it an IED?  If it was LEO training - they'd be using det cord and/or door breaching charges.  And if this is the case, why was the plastique and the blasting caps in close proximity to each other???

Hi, EOD/HMRT tech here. We don’t leave anything intact, ever. We render it safe on site or we go boom on site. No in between. Ever. 96 out of 100 times, we go boom.
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1 hour ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Ordinance. Always the dumbest people on the aircraft carrier.

My working theory is that one of the other bomb disposal officers thought that one of the bombs looked like a dog.

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1 minute ago, Herbie Hancock said:


Hi, EOD/HMRT tech here. We don’t leave anything intact, ever. We render it safe on site or we go boom on site. No in between. Ever. 96 out of 100 times, we go boom.

That was my understanding from my EOD and Navy diver friends as well. Nothing moves that isn't rendered inert or blown to hell by your own explosives. 

 

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1 hour ago, Iceman said:

JAG corps is that bad?  They deal with ordinances, right?

Since Herbie said IYAOYAS, I assumed he was talking about AOs (aviation ordinance). They're the guys that load bombs on planes. They're highly regarded.

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Since Herbie said IYAOYAS, I assumed he was talking about AOs (aviation ordinance). They're the guys that load bombs on planes. They're highly regarded.

I did and I was. I love the booger eaters I work with, but nobody ever accused them of being smart. Hence why I included you in the initial comment lol
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