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Posted
9 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Arch is hitting an excellent 50% on his deep balls. Hard to find issues with that. 

The issue is finding something that is efficient and easily replicated.

Texas is much more vertical in the passing this year, which will tend to be more boom or bust

The OL has some real holes currently. 

Stroh: 47.6 PFF grade vs SJSU and 44.9 vs OSU

baker: 59.1 vs SJSU, 41.0 vs OSU

That is going to make doing anything consistently an issue

Lower PFF grades by those two compared to OSU game right?  Hope this was due to them trying out stuff out of the comfort zone they wanted to work on. 

 

 

Townsends highlights are VERY encouraging.  Dude blocks mean.   Involved in lots of motion too.  

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Posted
20 minutes ago, Atticus said:

This isn’t a playoff team unless the defense becomes much stingier.

Reminds me of the year, I think 2010, when Mack said that we need three defensive scores each game in order to be competitive. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Huh?  Ohio State gained 203 yards and scored 14 points.  San Jose State gained 273 yards and scored 7 points.  Exactly how much stingier does this defense need to be?

Can't let a team across the 50. Everyone knows that. C'mon!

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Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, BurgleBro said:

Lower PFF grades by those two compared to OSU game right?  Hope this was due to them trying out stuff out of the comfort zone they wanted to work on. 

 

 

Townsends highlights are VERY encouraging.  Dude blocks mean.   Involved in lots of motion too.  

Those 2 have been consistently graded poorly in both games. Goosby has been consistently graded high. Cole Hutson had a nightmare game vs SHSU. 

Stroh: 47.6 PFF grade vs SJSU and 44.9 vs OSU

baker: 59.1 vs SJSU, 41.0 vs OSU

Campbell: 64.3 SJSU,60.7 OSU, (not great either)

Cole Hutson: 47.4 SJSU, 63.2 OSU

Goosby 82.7 San Jose, 73.9 OSU

anything below a 60 is bad.

above a 70 is a solid grade and 80s is very good. Goosby the only OL that has consistently gotten solid grades

 

 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Stroh: 47.6 PFF grade vs SJSU and 44.9 vs OSU

baker: 59.1 vs SJSU, 41.0 vs OSU

Campbell: 64.3 SJSU,60.7 OSU, (not great either)

Cole Hutson: 47.4 SJSU, 63.2 OSU

Goosby 82.7 San Jose, 73.9 OSU

anything below a 60 is bad.

above a 70 is a solid grade and 80s is very good. Goosby the only OL that has consistently gotten solid grades

Geez...WTF is Hutson doing after he snaps the ball? I mean, besides missing blocks? Neto needs to go back in if Stroh can't do better than that.

Posted
17 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Huh?  Ohio State gained 203 yards and scored 14 points.  San Jose State gained 273 yards and scored 7 points.  Exactly how much stingier does this defense need to be?

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8 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Those 2 have been consistently graded poorly in both games. Goosby has been consistently graded high. Cole Hutson had a nightmare game vs SHSU. 

Stroh: 47.6 PFF grade vs SJSU and 44.9 vs OSU

baker: 59.1 vs SJSU, 41.0 vs OSU

Campbell: 64.3 SJSU,60.7 OSU, (not great either)

Cole Hutson: 47.4 SJSU, 63.2 OSU

Goosby 82.7 San Jose, 73.9 OSU

anything below a 60 is bad.

above a 70 is a solid grade and 80s is very good. Goosby the only OL that has consistently gotten solid grades

 

 

Discouraging. 

Hope the fixable penalty issues are addressed pronto.

Posted
1 hour ago, Park Gothic said:

Sark calls plays for the team he wants, not the team he has. It’s one of his biggest drawbacks as a coach and has lost us at least one game every year hes been here, save for maybe 2023. 

Our offense looks a lot different this year to me. Way more running between the tackles. A lot fewer quick game actions to the perimeter. A lot more downfield attacking. Hardly any RPO's. Seems like Manning has already taken more snaps under center than Ewers took all of last year. The downfield concepts are essentially the same -- they run a lot of digs and underneath shit to put the defense in conflict and then try to get somebody loose over the top or on a wheel route. But everything else looks markedly different to me.

There are going to be growing pains with this line, an inexperienced QB who has been surprisingly inaccurate and with more gunslinger tendencies than I thought on top of a receiving corps that isn't consistently creating a lot of separation. I *think* it's going to get better with more reps and experience and this defense should keep us in just about every game. 

The most concerning thing to me is the dumb penalties and generally stupid decision making -- roughing the QB and punter, taking kickoffs out of the endzone, the holding and procedure penalties and whiffs on the oline. Clean that shit up and the formula is there for this team to win : don't turn it over; let the defense and punting game win field position; hit some big plays when you can and let Arch's legs be a weapon when you need it. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

I think Flood is overrated.  Our OL should not be in this position in year 4.

Seems that way.  Wtf is the point of signing these "large humans" if they can't do shit against a tiny sjsu front

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

I think Flood is overrated.  Our OL should not be in this position in year 4.

Year 5. And kind of agree. Things don’t look much better next year either. 

Posted
32 minutes ago, Red Five said:

The differences between what Arch does well and what Ewers did well are pretty hilarious. Like if we could combine them, we would have, well, I guess we'd have something between Joe Burrow and Vince Young.

I'm not sure how Manning can be so uncomfortable with short, easy throws, but he needs to get comfortable with them. We can't be in 3rd and 10 half of the time.

Just had this conversation with someone.  A lot of people took for granted how elite Ewers was at hitting the short passes and screens in perfect stride.   Arch may never be as good as Quinn was at that aspect of the game but he's got to improve significantly to make the offense go.  Getting to 2nd and 3 will open everything up.

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Hopefully they'll try some new lineups the next 2 games and not just in garbage time. Wouldn't mind seeing Robertson at C and Hutson at LG. Or give Brooks some run at RT. What they trotted out against SJSU isn't going to be good enough.

Posted
5 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

I think Flood is overrated.  Our OL should not be in this position in year 4.

I'm getting there too.  Especially when the same issues have been persistent across his tenure: IOL losing track of blitzers and stunts, pullers not finding the right guy, lots of false starts and holding.  Those have been a theme year after year regardless of experience level.

I will say though, after a rewatch the biggest culprit for the run game being blown up a lot was terrible execution by the TEs.  The OL did their job on a good 5-10 of the runs that got stuffed, it was just a TE either totally missing a block or getting thrown into the hole the RB was trying to hit.  Not sure there is any benefit to going big in 12 or 13 personnel if they can't win against SJSU edges...

Posted
9 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

I think Flood is overrated.  Our OL should not be in this position in year 4.

Some of it is just a natural cycle.  You lose that many starters including a top 10 draft pick you are going to take a step back. But the lack of improvement at the guard position in particular is extremely disappointing.

Posted
1 minute ago, Skipper said:

Just had this conversation with someone.  A lot of people took for granted how elite Ewers was at hitting the short passes and screens in perfect stride.   Arch may never be as good as Quinn was at that aspect of the game but he's got to improve significantly to make the offense go.  Getting to 2nd and 3 will open everything up.

It's a weird disconnect. His last name is Manning and he's been in this offense for three years, and he's struggling with the easy stuff.

Posted
42 minutes ago, Atticus said:

We have a qb who’s still finding his comfort zone and a WR corps where the veterans are playing inefficiently and the fresher faces are out performing them. 
Wingo isn’t mentally ready for an alpha dog role, Moore doesn’t seem to be in sync with Arch.

Arch also doesn’t like taking what the defense gives him. He needs to get the ball to his backs quicker instead of looking to force the ball downfield. He really loves throwing deep balls, but lacks the anticipation for it right now.

This isn’t a playoff team unless the defense becomes much stingier. Or Arch finds a way to become more efficient with his current ability. 

Exactly how stingy does our defense need to become for us to make the playoffs? Clearly 10.5 pts per game (including one game at the #1 team in the country who scored 70 last week) isnt good enough, so what do you feel we need? 

Posted
17 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

I think Flood is overrated.  Our OL should not be in this position in year 4.

It is still a bit early in the year to get too far down on them, but the grades have been very ugly. 

last year we had 3 players above 70 (Banks, Conner, and Majors) 

Campbell (68.3) and Williams (67.4) were borderline

I will be surprised if Flood does not tinker with the OL this week. At least give a couple players more PT or move some people around. 

Posted
46 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Huh?  Ohio State gained 203 yards and scored 14 points.  San Jose State gained 273 yards and scored 7 points.  Exactly how much stingier does this defense need to be?

The defense is great, just not great enough given how inconsistent the offense is. The offense is clearly the weaker performing unit. 

I don’t believe the D can carry this team yet, I could see OU scoring 20-30 on it. 
 

Time will tell.

Posted
8 minutes ago, Atticus said:

The defense is great, just not great enough given how inconsistent the offense is. The offense is clearly the weaker performing unit. 

I don’t believe the D can carry this team yet, I could see OU scoring 20-30 on it. 
 

Time will tell.

Well, Arch & Wingo need some more time to get on the same page.  That will help.  Moore & Livingstone round out a nice WR corps along with Endries who appears to be even better than advertised.  I'm not so down on the OL as some, and I think a healthy pairing of Baxter and Wisner will make very serviceable if not particularly exciting RB options.

Getting Colin Simmons off the brainfart express along with cleaning up a few other dumb mistakes and I think this team is absolutely playoff caliber.  Most every team I've seen this year has issues.  We are not alone.

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Posted (edited)
37 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Exactly how stingy does our defense need to become for us to make the playoffs? Clearly 10.5 pts per game (including one game at the #1 team in the country who scored 70 last week) isnt good enough, so what do you feel we need? 

Ohio State only scored 14 because that’s all they needed to considering the Texas O wasn’t showing a need for riskier offense. Why air it out and risk the defense making a game-changing play?

SJSU turned the ball over like 4 times and moved the ball fairly consistently outside of that. They missed a FG too, iirc. 

I’m going off my eyes right now since we’re only two weeks in and we haven’t really played a strong QB yet. I thought we were really good last year and we still got lit up by better QBs. This defense (to my eye) looks solidly beneath last year’s so far. 

Hopefully I’m wrong, I would love to be. 
 

Also, Arch doesn’t throw too many deep balls but he’s locked in on them for too long.

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Posted
42 minutes ago, Red Five said:

It's a weird disconnect. His last name is Manning and he's been in this offense for three years, and he's struggling with the easy stuff.

Well put. And it's not even the missing open receivers at times, it's the throwing it in the dirt 5 yards ahead of them that is jarring.

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I remember hearing on the broadcast that Flood’s lines generally have more trouble with smaller athletic D lines like SJSU than the big fronts you’ll see in the the SEC. Don’t get me wrong, a team like Texas shouldn’t have guys grading in the 40’s against any D line. Just an observation made during the broadcast. Flood may be an excellent recruiter but his lack of development has been concerning.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

I remember hearing on the broadcast that Flood’s lines generally have more trouble with smaller athletic D lines like SJSU than the big fronts you’ll see in the the SEC. Don’t get me wrong, a team like Texas shouldn’t have guys grading in the 40’s against any D line. Just an observation made during the broadcast. Flood may be an excellent recruiter but his lack of development has been concerning.

ASU game came to mind

Posted
1 hour ago, DFW Horn said:

Geez...WTF is Hutson doing after he snaps the ball? I mean, besides missing blocks? Neto needs to go back in if Stroh can't do better than that.

Diving at guy’s knees and getting personal foul penalties.

Posted

Just as an exercise, what's our best five on the OL? You can go regardless of position. Goosby.... um, Campbell. Hutson? Then... um.... 

Hey is Nick Brooks' suspension over? I'd like to see what Robertson looks like at center and Kibble at guard. 

Posted
3 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

I remember hearing on the broadcast that Flood’s lines generally have more trouble with smaller athletic D lines like SJSU than the big fronts you’ll see in the the SEC. Don’t get me wrong, a team like Texas shouldn’t have guys grading in the 40’s against any D line. Just an observation made during the broadcast. Flood may be an excellent recruiter but his lack of development has been concerning.

completely agree on small DLs (Wyoming comes to mind).  The one disconcerting aspect of the Flood OLs is the lack of physicality. For the most part the OL has been guys that screen the DL from the RB and get 0 displacement. It is still early though, so improvement can happen. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Just as an exercise, what's our best five on the OL? You can go regardless of position. Goosby.... um, Campbell. Hutson? Then... um.... 

Hey is Nick Brooks' suspension over? I'd like to see what Robertson looks like at center and Kibble at guard. 

Kibble is surprising to me. We heard a lot of good things about him last year and saw him in the playoffs. but has only gotten 10 snaps (73.7 pass/72.1 run grade albeit a very small sample size vs SJSU)

Neto has gotten 22 snaps. 65.5 grade vs OSU and 61.7 grade vs SJSU (not Stroh bad, but not particularly encouraging)

Posted
21 hours ago, MuellerHorn said:

Arch Manning hurt? Breaking wince-gate wide open - 247

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Arch Manning hurt? Breaking wince-gate wide open

During Texas' 38-7 win over San Jose State on Saturday, the ABC broadcast showed Longhorns quarterback Arch Manning grimacing while throwing an incomplete pass, leading online speculation that the UT signal caller is dealing with an injury. We did some digging and that doesn't appear to be the case.

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AUSTIN, Texas — Arch Manning passed for 295 yards and 4 touchdowns, adding in a 20-yard score on the ground, in a 38-7 win over San Jose State on Saturday in Texas' home-opener. The box score reflects a strong outing for the third-year Longhorn, but the conversation coming out of the game has centered around an incomplete pass Manning threw at Ryan Wingo's feet in the first half, one that appeared to suggest Manning may be dealing with an injury to his throwing arm due to a noticeable wince in his face.

Both Steve Sarkisian and Manning were asked about the grimace after the game.

"I don't know," Sarkisian responded. "News to me."

Manning followed up by downplaying a suspected injury.

"No, no," Manning replied. "I got to make that throw. He was open. Ran a good dig route. So got to make that throw."

For reference, here's the throw: 

Concerned fans, social media sleuths and even some college football personalities are not convinced.

Sure it looks like he's laboring on the pass, but is it possible that's simply the face he makes when throwing and/or due to displeasure that he knew it was off-target leaving his hand?

One source close to the situation told Horns247: "He's not injured. I think you can look at every quarterback and they're probably wincing and looking as if they're trying very hard."

Need proof? 

Here are a few photos prior to this season of Manning throwing a football: 

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Arch Manning throws a pass against UL-Monroe in September of 2024. (Photo: USA TODAY Sports)

13271232.jpg?fit=bounds&crop=620:320,offset-y0.50&width=620&height=320 Arch Manning throws a pass against UL-Monroe in September of 2024. (Photo: USA TODAY Sports)

13271235.jpg?fit=bounds&crop=620:320,offset-y0.50&width=620&height=320 Arch Manning throws a pass in high school. (Photo: USA TODAY Sports)

13271238.jpg?fit=bounds&crop=620:320,offset-y0.50&width=620&height=320 Arch Manning throws a pass in high school. (Photo: USA TODAY Sports)

There's still plenty to dissect about Manning's play two games into the season. Sarkisian noted he wants Manning to play his (Manning's) style of game, something Sarkisian believes we saw more of on Saturday. 

"He extended plays, used his legs, scrambles for a touchdown. That's the style of player that he is," Sarkisian said after the game on Saturday. "And he's very gifted, because he can make all the throws from the pocket. He can make those out of the pocket, but yet he's big and physical enough that he can hurt you with his legs. And so him playing his game and not trying to play it somebody else's style of game, I think is important for him, but it's also important for the guys around him to know how their quarterbacks going to play."

So while Texas continues to clean up its play with two games and a bye-week to go until the team travels to Gainesville to face Florida, fans can put to rest the notion that Manning is dealing with an injury. 

Now, everybody, calm your fucking tits, alright?

I'd kill most of you if Manning's throwing motion resembled the ear level release of the 3rd photo. Gonna keep my tits nice and agitated, thank you. 

Posted
24 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Ohio State only scored 14 because that’s all they needed to considering the Texas O wasn’t showing a need for riskier offense. Why air it out and risk the defense making a game-changing play?

Ohio scored 70 against something better than air on Saturday. They would have happily scored more on Texas if they could have. The D is legit. Not perfect, but legit.

 

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Posted
Just now, RomaVicta said:

Yea, I don't think OSU decided 14 points is enough and let's just coast to the end. 

agree. They were conservative with their gameplan, but they did not go into a shell on offense until the 4Q.

Posted
2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

Texas was 0-6 with 3rd and 9+.. That is a 1st and 2nd down issue. Not saying 3rd down is not a problem, but I would guess the larger issue is 1st down success rate. Seems like a lot of drives start out with an incomplete on 1st and an ineffective run on 2nd down or a penalty on 1st down. I cannot find the stats, but I would be the biggest issue with this offense is 1st down. Feels like they are consistently behind the chains. 

The bigger problem is the mental failure of tha big fat 0 fer. Mentally tough teams do 3rd and long at least at a 30% clip, Texas just gives up on the drive so easily. Not only that but this compounds the mental mistakes and penalties that lead to those 1st and 15.

We need a big time leader at QB to start telling Sark to fuckoff during playcalling. And Sark needs to be able to teach this to his QBs.

 

Posted
1 hour ago, Skipper said:

Some of it is just a natural cycle.  You lose that many starters including a top 10 draft pick you are going to take a step back. But the lack of improvement at the guard position in particular is extremely disappointing.

true but counter-point - last year's OL wasn't exactly road grading opponents in the playoffs.

 

1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

It is still a bit early in the year to get too far down on them, but the grades have been very ugly. 

last year we had 3 players above 70 (Banks, Conner, and Majors) 

Campbell (68.3) and Williams (67.4) were borderline

I will be surprised if Flood does not tinker with the OL this week. At least give a couple players more PT or move some people around. 


improvement will undoubtedly occur, but the themes of big guys not playing up to the standard esp in the run game is becoming a consistent theme.
 

59 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

I remember hearing on the broadcast that Flood’s lines generally have more trouble with smaller athletic D lines like SJSU than the big fronts you’ll see in the the SEC. Don’t get me wrong, a team like Texas shouldn’t have guys grading in the 40’s against any D line. Just an observation made during the broadcast. Flood may be an excellent recruiter but his lack of development has been concerning.

UGA and tOSU had plenty of success.


maybe it was Ewers last year, or the play calling, or the fumbles, or smaller backs and maybe this year it's Bax is tentative or Arch throwing at feet, or the spartans were quick. but the one constant has been that most people observe underperformance from the OL when they need to excel the most.  

Posted
2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Holy shit, Sark was just asked "Why is Arch's shoulder hurting?" He responded "According to who?"  "Um, well he looks like he's hurting in pictures."  "Well I don't photograph you guys when you're using the bathroom and ask why you're making those faces." 

How do we take this response 

Posted
3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

How do we take this response 

In stride. 

Constipation can occur due to our diets and the ineptitude of the offense. 

Posted
Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

How do we take this response 

This shoulder injury shit is being manufactured out of whole cloth and a bunch of you are falling for it. Anyone doing the “Arch’s Injury *They* Don’t Want You To Know About” article clickthroughs is making some fatass writer money. 

Anyone giving Brooks Austin “The Film Guy” credence for this kind of conspiracy shit hasn’t followed him long enough. He got ratioed on Twitter for doing this with some other major player that happened to be on Georgia’s schedule last year or the year before. 

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