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1 hour ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

FSU shouldve been in that game. They didnt get put in there because everyone knew they would be non-competitive and a rating albatross. But a player getting injured shouldnt erase an undefeated season and a hard earned spot. That's kind of bullshit. 

Why?  So that the game could completely suck, everyone could have shit all to watch (instead of bama v Michigan in OT in the rose bowl) and Michigan could essentially have a bye?  It was a billion percent the right decision. 

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The interesting thing to me is I've already heard talk about a 9-3 Texas team being in from Herbstreit, Ryen Russillo, and Todd Mcshay. Last year people hyped up South Carolina a little too late, and people had dumped on Alabama before the hype train could commence.

This time it seems like pro-SEC types are anticipating the 9-3 team ahead of time.  They don't want a repeat of last year. That goes for OU as well.

Scenario 1: beat Georgia, I think we move up to #6 or so. Stomp Arkansas. Lose to A&M, probably drop to #10. 

Scenario 2: lose close to Georgia, probably drop to #17 or so. Stomp Arkansas. Beat A&M, move up to #10. 

Personally I'd rather just imagine a world where we go 10-2 because why suffer twice by worrying?

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1 hour ago, Askew said:

These are solid points and I am pretty torn. My main thinking: 1) is there that much difference between beating #5 and #3?, and 2) given how the remaining schedules look, if we arent able to bump a team out of the current top 10, we arent getting in. I only see that happening with H2H win comparison. It feels like there will be a bunch of 10-2 teams at the end.

 

the final CFP poll after the champ games had 7 2 loss teams in the top 12

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4 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

lou

police work

disagree there with you

at least until i see the klan are eliminated from atlanta

kiffin had an argument last year and he will go postal if the klan gets "screwed" this year

if we're 10-2 then absolutely we go over 10-2 klan because of scheduling fosu

if we're 10-2 and they make atlanta and lose they go over us at 10-3

His argument over a 2-loss SMU team is a lot more compelling than over a 3-loss Texas team that scheduled tOSU. I disagree with you. 

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1 hour ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

FSU shouldve been in that game. They didnt get put in there because everyone knew they would be non-competitive and a rating albatross. But a player getting injured shouldnt erase an undefeated season and a hard earned spot. That's kind of bullshit. 

In a thread of bad takes, including many from you, this is probably the worst. 

No one in the last quarter century of CFB has been given more breaks than Florida State when it comes to getting dealt-in to the final game or playoff. 

2000 - Despite losing to Miami, who had the same record and had suffered a loss to a good UW team in Seattle earlier in the season, FSU gets into the BCS. What did they do? Shit themselves and scored 2 points in a dud of a title game that gave OU it's 7th national title.

2014 - FSU skated by with like 9 one-score wins in a hapless ACC to go 13-0 ahead of the playoffs. Everyone was begging a team to beat these clowns and no one in the ACC could figure it out. Rather than sacking up and letting the 4 best teams make the playoffs (Ohio State, TCU, Oregon, and Alabama), they fucked TCU over and let FSU make the semis. They rewarded everyone by taking a heaving shit on live TV while Oregon ran on a train on them. 

So, yeah, they did not deserve the benefit of the doubt in 2023 after losing their QB and playing in the shitty ACC. They played 2 ranked teams all season and then faced another overranked mess in the ACC title game in Louisville, in one of the most unwatchable games of the last decade. That FSU team had a 0% of beating Texas, UW, Michigan, or Bama. 0%. 

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2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

In a thread of bad takes, including many from you, this is probably the worst. 

No one in the last quarter century of CFB has been given more breaks than Florida State when it comes to getting dealt-in to the final game or playoff. 

2000 - Despite losing to Miami, who had the same record and had suffered a loss to a good UW team in Seattle earlier in the season, FSU gets into the BCS. What did they do? Shit themselves and scored 2 points in a dud of a title game that gave OU it's 7th national title.

2014 - FSU skated by with like 9 one-score wins in a hapless ACC to go 13-0 ahead of the playoffs. Everyone was begging a team to beat these clowns and no one in the ACC could figure it out. Rather than sacking up and letting the 4 best teams make the playoffs (Ohio State, TCU, Oregon, and Alabama), they fucked TCU over and let FSU make the semis. They rewarded everyone by taking a heaving shit on live TV while Oregon ran on a train on them. 

So, yeah, they did not deserve the benefit of the doubt in 2023 after losing their QB and playing in the shitty ACC. They played 2 ranked teams all season and then faced another overranked mess in the ACC title game in Louisville, in one of the most unwatchable games of the last decade. That FSU team had a 0% of beating Texas, UW, Michigan, or Bama. 0%. 

That really isn’t much of an argument anymore. Talking heads like Klatt and Herbstreit don’t even flinch or pause when they answered absolutely not, FSU should not have gotten in over the teams that did. I don’t even remember FSU fans being up in arms about it. 

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2 hours ago, dcar00 said:

that was a different issue.  barring crazy upsets in the Big 12, the Big 12 is getting 2, ACC 1, and then G5.  B1G, ND, and SEC fighting over 8 spots.  ND losing would be nice(water is wet)

It's basically the same math as what we ended up with last year and what will probably be the standard math as long as the current format exists.  Big 12/ACC will get 3 total, G5 gets 1, ND gets with 2 losses or fewer and Big 10/SEC split the rest.

Just now, Cruz in Aledo said:

That really isn’t much of an argument anymore. Talking heads like Klatt and Herbstreit don’t even flinch or pause when they answered absolutely not, FSU should not have gotten in over the teams that did. I don’t even remember FSU fans being up in arms about it. 

They sued the ACC over it.

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5 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

It's basically the same math as what we ended up with last year and what will probably be the standard math as long as the current format exists.  Big 12/ACC will get 3 total, G5 gets 1, ND gets with 2 losses or fewer and Big 10/SEC split the rest.

They sued the ACC over it.

Yeah but besides that?  Did they throw water bottles on the field?  I don’t think so. 

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6 minutes ago, Cruz in Aledo said:

That really isn’t much of an argument anymore. Talking heads like Klatt and Herbstreit don’t even flinch or pause when they answered absolutely not, FSU should not have gotten in over the teams that did. I don’t even remember FSU fans being up in arms about it. 

they still big mad on reddit , im not sure what FSU fans you're talking to but they blame it on breaking their entire Norvell tenure 

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5 hours ago, Js1 said:

Saturday dream scenario for Texas fans:

  • Georgia loses to MSST (or really struggles)
  • BYU blows out Tech to hand them loss #2
  • aggycoaster plunges against Mizzou
  • Oregon loses to Iowa
  • ND loses to Navy
  • Florida beats Kentucky (the closer to .500 Florida ends up, the better for us) 

I'd like UGA to get beat up in OT. Who do I see about that?

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17 minutes ago, Cruz in Aledo said:

That really isn’t much of an argument anymore. Talking heads like Klatt and Herbstreit don’t even flinch or pause when they answered absolutely not, FSU should not have gotten in over the teams that did. I don’t even remember FSU fans being up in arms about it. 

The FSU fanbase and their journalists/board mods have all labeled 2023 "The Snub". They think their program still hasn't recovered from it. It was a massive deal for them and remains as such to this day. 

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19 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

they still big mad on reddit , im not sure what FSU fans you're talking to but they blame it on breaking their entire Norvell tenure 

 

8 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

The FSU fanbase and their journalists/board mods have all labeled 2023 "The Snub". They think their program still hasn't recovered from it. It was a massive deal for them and remains as such to this day. 

I don’t know shit about fuck, certainly when it comes to FSU. It’s a really stupid argument. It’s definitely one time the Committee made a smart decision that was totally logical. 

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2 hours ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

FSU shouldve been in that game. They didnt get put in there because everyone knew they would be non-competitive and a rating albatross. But a player getting injured shouldnt erase an undefeated season and a hard earned spot. That's kind of bullshit. 

No, it is not. For years, the college football playoff had their criteria posted on their website. It specifically said that the committee would consider important injuries. FSU had an important injury to the most important position on the field. FSU was not only aware of this, they (and everyone else) voted for and accepted this criteria for the committee. Why this is confusing for you is strange.  

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45 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

It's basically the same math as what we ended up with last year and what will probably be the standard math as long as the current format exists.  Big 12/ACC will get 3 total, G5 gets 1, ND gets with 2 losses or fewer and Big 10/SEC split the rest.

They sued the ACC over it.

when you hook all college football fans on the "loss column" for about 70+ years the withdrawal is very, very painful...

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5 hours ago, TxEx84 said:

Does Oregon losing help us? I want the B1G to only get three teams in. If Iowa loses, that knocks them out. Just let the Big10 have tOSU, Ind, and Oregon. The others (USC, Iowa, Wash, Mich) need to lose.

Yes, because Iowa still has to go on the road at USC. I think they drop that one. 

6 hours ago, Vertigo said:

Agree, why wouldn't we want Georgia to win? If we go on the road next week and finally get over the hump in Athens, that is going to be the win that gets us into the playoffs even if we do drop one of the last two games. 

That's what I believe. A win at Georgia will give us more credibility than losing there and winning the last two at home. That said, if we can win in Athens then it's likely we beat aggy as well. 

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BTW, all of this talk about schedule strength and who deserves to be in and blah blah blah, for those frustrated with Notre Dame basically playing a 2 game schedule, losing both, and still all but certain to be in barring Pitt or Navy saving the day, do not go look at ND's schedule for 2026. Only 10 games scheduled so far, but the other 2 additions will just MAC or Sun Belt teams. They basically play no one and will absolutely cakewalk to the playoffs next year. It's pathetic. 

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2 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Why?  So that the game could completely suck, everyone could have shit all to watch (instead of bama v Michigan in OT in the rose bowl) and Michigan could essentially have a bye?  It was a billion percent the right decision. 

They wouldve been the 3 seed if they made it. So we wouldve been playing Michigan at the Rose Bowl. 

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12 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

BTW, all of this talk about schedule strength and who deserves to be in and blah blah blah, for those frustrated with Notre Dame basically playing a 2 game schedule, losing both, and still all but certain to be in barring Pitt or Navy saving the day, do not go look at ND's schedule for 2026. Only 10 games scheduled so far, but the other 2 additions will just MAC or Sun Belt teams. They basically play no one and will absolutely cakewalk to the playoffs next year. It's pathetic. 

They should be considered G5 and only be eligible as a highest rated G5 team until they join a real conference.

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31 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

BTW, all of this talk about schedule strength and who deserves to be in and blah blah blah, for those frustrated with Notre Dame basically playing a 2 game schedule, losing both, and still all but certain to be in barring Pitt or Navy saving the day, do not go look at ND's schedule for 2026. Only 10 games scheduled so far, but the other 2 additions will just MAC or Sun Belt teams. They basically play no one and will absolutely cakewalk to the playoffs next year. It's pathetic. 

They do have some better teams coming up in 2027 and beyond with Auburn, Texas, Bama, Indiana, Florida

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1 hour ago, Josef Pwag said:

No, it is not. For years, the college football playoff had their criteria posted on their website. It specifically said that the committee would consider important injuries. FSU had an important injury to the most important position on the field. FSU was not only aware of this, they (and everyone else) voted for and accepted this criteria for the committee. Why this is confusing for you is strange.  

not going to look it up, you can research and counter if you wish, but that caveat was meant/intended to account for a loss that had *already* *occurred* due to a key player being out injured

it was never intended, and i do not think the language stated, that the caveat in question allowed the committee to discount a ranking based on losses that were *going* *to* occur

as ctj posted, nolenation thinks of 2023 the way we think of teaff, 08 lubbock, 08 switzer, 15 oSu, etc.

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1 hour ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

They wouldve been the 3 seed if they made it. So we wouldve been playing Michigan at the Rose Bowl. 

...and Dusty Mangum highlights.

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

BTW, all of this talk about schedule strength and who deserves to be in and blah blah blah, for those frustrated with Notre Dame basically playing a 2 game schedule, losing both, and still all but certain to be in barring Pitt or Navy saving the day, do not go look at ND's schedule for 2026. Only 10 games scheduled so far, but the other 2 additions will just MAC or Sun Belt teams. They basically play no one and will absolutely cakewalk to the playoffs next year. It's pathetic. 

I thought I saw an article recently that ACC will start scheduling them more vs Miami fsu Clemson. Not that those teams are great but ACC I believe is trying to make their schedules look “better”

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6 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Florida would smash Rutgers 

Florida is still trash, though and the fact we lost to them, was pathetic. 

Same as Arkansas. They got blasted by Notre Dame or someone like that, the SEC said you can't pimp that win because Arkansas is terrible. But when aggy and other SEC teams barely beat them, it's just the grind of the SECSEC.

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2 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Florida is still trash, though and the fact we lost to them, was pathetic. 

Same as Arkansas. They got blasted by Notre Dame or someone like that, the SEC said you can't pimp that win because Arkansas is terrible. But when aggy and other SEC teams barely beat them, it's just the grind of the SECSEC.

Preaching to the choir on how shitty of a loss that Florida loss is. Unacceptable performance that game by us

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4 hours ago, fellside said:

The interesting thing to me is I've already heard talk about a 9-3 Texas team being in from Herbstreit, Ryen Russillo, and Todd Mcshay. Last year people hyped up South Carolina a little too late, and people had dumped on Alabama before the hype train could commence.

This time it seems like pro-SEC types are anticipating the 9-3 team ahead of time.  They don't want a repeat of last year. That goes for OU as well.

Scenario 1: beat Georgia, I think we move up to #6 or so. Stomp Arkansas. Lose to A&M, probably drop to #10. 

Scenario 2: lose close to Georgia, probably drop to #17 or so. Stomp Arkansas. Beat A&M, move up to #10. 

Personally I'd rather just imagine a world where we go 10-2 because why suffer twice by worrying?

Even Joel Klatt is saying 9-3 Texas is likely in. That's not a pro-SEC voice like the other ones I mentioned.

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Guys. After playing an awesome 18 holes today in Newport Beach and thinking about.  I think a 9-3 Texas gets in if a whole bunch of other things happen too. But it’s ours to lose.  So let’s win the whole goddamn thing 

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I had no idea there were so many Catholics on Surly. 

Multiple people have been defending them in this thread and their 0-2 season. 0-2 season cause that's their record against teams that aren't shit. 

And the 2 "great" teams they beat? Aggie and fraudulent Miami from the shit conference ACC that they don't even lead. 

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Games of consequence this weekend:

#5 Georgia @ Miss St.     11:00   ESPN

#7 BYU  @  #8 Tx Tech    11:00   ABC

#3 aggy @ #22  Missouri  2:30   ABC

LSU   @  #4  Bama             6:30   ABC

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Would be interesting to see who gets in if the following happens - 

Texas wins out, 10-2 w 1 SEC loss

OU wins out, 10-2 w 2 SEC losses

Ole Miss wins out, 11-1 w 1 SEC loss

ATM loses 1 to Texas, 11-1 w 1 SEC loss

Bama loses 1 to OU, 10-2 w 1 SEC loss

Georgia loses 1 to TX, 10-2 w 2 SEC losses

Maybe all 6 would get in, but who would be sitting home if they had to pick 5 of those?  Hard to ignore any of the 4 blue bloods at 10-2 (giving GA a blue blood day pass), while Ole Miss and ATM sitting nervously at 11-1.  And someone will have another loss from the CCG.  

I'm too lazy to figure out who goes to the SEC title game with the 4 way tie in this situation, but I'd guess that might further stir the pot for CFP.  

While very unlikely everything plays out that way, the only remaining games that wouldn't be chalk are Texas/Georgia and OU/Bama on the road.       

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7 hours ago, closetojumping said:

ACC title game in Louisville, in one of the most unwatchable games of the last decade

I had forgotten about this debacle. It was like watching middle school football. My god. 

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