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Just now, ChiTownDoc said:

Totally trust you.  And if you go 2 losses but lose bc you’re not favored at Georgia I’ll call it a push.  No way I take your money in that case. 

I was going to suggest that as something I thought was fair. 
thanks

 

 

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Also, I know our defense is excellent, but I'm sick and tired of depending on them so much. 

Sark is amazing at everything we weren't sure he could do as Head Coach. The one constant struggle is supposed to be his calling card. 

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Arch sucks today. But most college qb’s suck. I don’t know what happens if sark can’t un-fuck the situation.  I do know that a ton of money will dry up.  

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1 minute ago, Da Fino said:

Arch sucks today. But most college qb’s suck. I don’t know what happens if sark can’t un-fuck the situation.  I do know that a ton of money will dry up.  

I’m your avatar…..waiting

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52 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Ok. Deal. I’m not as rich as you but I will go in for 1k that’s we are 10-2 or 11-1, make the playoffs and favored in every game going forward. I know we are currently a dog to Georgia. I think that flips. 

While I don’t agree, you got balls.  I hope you win the bet.

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Kinda blows my mind that people can be so negative about the coach who has delivered two top-4 finishes in a row after the previous decade of obsolescence. Yeah the offense has issues but he's doing a great fucking job running the program. You can't ignore the success on defense, recruiting, etc when evaluating him. 
I do think he needs an actual OC, at least for the Red Zone, and I worry about the QB coaching. On paper those are supposed to be Sark's specialties but he can't do that full-time as HC and it's showing.

Expectations were stupid. Sark has short yardage issues, and should be getting after the referees when they are fixing games.
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26 minutes ago, Nivek said:

 should be getting after the referees when they are fixing games.

Oh for god's sake, we are not going with this, are we?

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The defense is legitmately elite when they don't step on their dicks. The OL was getting plenty of push and opening holes that weren't there last year. Outside of TOs, the next three G5 opponents are going to struggle to get into position to score points.

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15 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Oh for god's sake, we are not going with this, are we?

This...they weren't perfect, but what they did call against us were legit calls.   Let's not aggy loss up... Jesus, have some pride 

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2 hours ago, Effyourcouch said:

The team as a whole looks great to be honest.  There is really only 1 concern, but it's a HUGE one, and that is Arch Manning.  There's not really anything positive to take away after his performance other than he got his first game out of the way and we won't play anyone that tough until Georgia (maybe ou).

 

The big late throws to Livingston and (especially) Endries were something to build on. But damn if he didn't do the same thing he did in his first start last year. Just heaved it into coverage half the time.

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Should Ohio State be concerned that they only had 203 yards and out of 9 real drives, only 2 went for more than 21 yards, with one of those being assisted by a penalty that overturned a third down stop?

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1 minute ago, Jkwellborn said:


That’s what it seemed like. Like they didn’t want to try anything.

It seemed like they didn't want to try anything that would get Arch in rhythm. Or anything that might make the OSU defense think for a second. 

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4 minutes ago, Yesh said:

Should Ohio State be concerned that they only had 203 yards and out of 9 real drives, only 2 went for more than 21 yards, with one of those being assisted by a penalty that overturned a third down stop?

Probably, but they are replacing both coordinators, starting a brand new QB, and replacing 14 players lost to the nfl draft.  I suspect they were counting on some ramp up time.

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The big late throws to Livingston and (especially) Endries were something to build on. But damn if he didn't do the same thing he did in his first start last year. Just heaved it into coverage half the time.

Didn’t most of the board think that was going to be the case some? Young qb, big arm, doesn’t that normally happen?
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3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

It seemed like they didn't want to try anything that would get Arch in rhythm. Or anything that might make the OSU defense think for a second. 

I have the opposite take.  I think every time they started to get something going, Arch would take the momentum away.  There were a handful of plays on short distances that I thought Arch could have easily run for the first down but he chose not to 

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I don't believe you.  Very disappointing performance by the offense.  I'd bet Sark has concerns.  The defense was dominant, zero concerns there is one thing.

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44 minutes ago, JOSEYWALES66 said:

I have the opposite take.  I think every time they started to get something going, Arch would take the momentum away.  There were a handful of plays on short distances that I thought Arch could have easily run for the first down but he chose not to 

It’s hard to overstate how much he sucked. Like he was actively point shaving. 
I doubt we ever see him that bad again. 

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59 minutes ago, Yesh said:

Should Ohio State be concerned that they only had 203 yards and out of 9 real drives, only 2 went for more than 21 yards, with one of those being assisted by a penalty that overturned a third down stop?

If the tables were turned and we beat them 14-7 and all their offensive stats were actually ours we'd be happy about the win but bitching about the performance for sure.

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I remember another young Texas qb losing in ugly fashion to Ohio State early in his career and turning out ok.

Yeah, one that played against a Heisman QB and NFL speedy WR. Colt wasn’t the reason we lost that game.
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52 minutes ago, JOSEYWALES66 said:

I have the opposite take.  I think every time they started to get something going, Arch would take the momentum away.  There were a handful of plays on short distances that I thought Arch could have easily run for the first down but he chose not to 

He needs to run more.  Do what Haynes King is doing.  

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We're fine.  Ohio State is better than every other team on our schedule.  A lot of things went wrong today, and we still should have won on their field.

Our defense is going to continue to wreck shop.  And we've got 3 tune-ups and a bye week to get the offense going before the conference schedule starts.

I think we'll split the games in Gainesville and Athens and win the rest to get to 10-2 and headed back to the SEC championship.

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I have the opposite take.  I think every time they started to get something going, Arch would take the momentum away.  There were a handful of plays on short distances that I thought Arch could have easily run for the first down but he chose not to 

I mentioned it in another thread. It’s like he’s being forced to stay behind the line, particularly in the pocket. Which is aggravating, because that mobility is a valuable part of him game.
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1 hour ago, Yesh said:

Should Ohio State be concerned that they only had 203 yards and out of 9 real drives, only 2 went for more than 21 yards, with one of those being assisted by a penalty that overturned a third down stop?

I don't know. They obviously have things to improve on. They were also pretty clearly calling a very conservative game, especially after going up1 4-0 but even before then. Once Texas couldn't answer their first TD I think it was as obvious to them as it was to anyone watching the game that they were going to win so long as they didn't give Texas anything on a silver platter. 

If we can shrug off what Arch just put out there as nerves and be confident he'll improve then I see no reason Ohio State should be particularly concerned.

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3 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

I'm sympathetic to your point of view. There were issues with Mack Brown that were much more cultural. There was a lack of player development in some ways that was endemic to the program. There was a core laziness when it came to certain approaches internally. The strength and conditioning was a cancer, not a strength.

I watch what we do as a program now, and it feels elite. The staff leaves no stone unturned when it comes to recruiting. We're constantly developing underrated players into stars. We're constantly seeing elite players get better year after year. There were times when I didn't feel like that was happening under Mack Brown as consistently as I felt it should. His blow outs to OU and the close losses in 2001 and 2004 felt like systemic issues more than once offs. Basically he parlayed his closing ability with any player he set his sights on, along with elite defensive coaches, and some otherworldly college quarterbacks, into 11 years of tremendous program success from 1998 to 2009. And then it fell apart.

What I will say is that my perspective over my lifetime of following sports closely is how easily the moniker of "can't win the big game" is applied too early in a career. Sometimes it's simply a matter of getting enough opportunities and then you break over the hump. In college football Tom Osborne had it in spades. Bobby Bowden. Heck, Ryan Day just overcame it, and that's after losing to Michigan four years in a row, including last year at home when he had the decisively better team. I don't see Sarkisian as a mini James Franklin. At least not yet. 

It's the first game of the season. Obviously Sarkisian didn't have Texas as prepared for this game as Ryan Day did his team, but Sarkisian took his team on the road, whereas Day got to play his first game at home. I'll also say Ohio State has plenty of things to work on, too. I understand the frustrations with creativity. The red zone ineptitude keeps cropping up every year. There's one common denominator, and it's Sarkisian. What was that pass to Livingstone out to the edge of the end zone on 4th down? I hated the QB sneak play on 4th down prior to that. The toss sweep from last year. We could all go on and on. But even with all that this team, IMO, outplayed Ohio State in nearly every phase of the game other than quarterback. That still is on Sarkisian, so I'm not trying to make excuses for him. But I do want to give him credit for building a staff and a culture that performed as well as it did, even if it fell short.

The nice thing is this wasn't an elimination game. Even prior to the game I felt the most important part of the season is actually coming up, and that's whether we won or loss. Both teams need to show improvement from here to win a national championship. Ohio State has a couple of cupcakes before they head to Seattle to take on Washington. We have 3 easy foes plus a bye week before playing Florida in Gainesville. My hope is that we see a lot of improvement in the team in that time. That will be a much better barometer for me in terms of what we have than this game was. Not to dismiss it, but to try to keep it in a realistic perspective. 

Outside OU,  Early Mack Brown's teams were extremely mentally resilient, they won a ridiculous 25-2 3 point games. Even the Chris Sims in the disaster games he did not get the short pass failure we saw today.

That is Sark's biggest flaw, he completely ignores the mental, a flag on offense should not derail every single drive, it is almost like the team mentally waits for the punt. He needs to take a page from Mack and let the team play more loose and less scripted. That is how he gets over the hump.

I just hope it is not the yips. The season can still end in the playoffs.

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10 minutes ago, victory88 said:

So the booze has worn off.  Rewatched the game.  Obviously it sucks we lost but I saw a lot of good things.

1.  Run game.  We couldn’t run the ball last year against good teams.  We ran it for 166 yards and OSU ran it for what, 80 yards?  In a game where both teams focused on running it.  That was an elite defense.  I liked what I saw from the OL.  We created some holes.  I think Wisner needs to be the feature back.  He played very well.  Baxter is only going to get better as he gains confidence.  
 

2.  Defense.  Fucking legit defense.  That is going to be the best collection of skill players we will see all season.  They held them in complete check.  Fucking 200 yards of offense at home, let’s see what other team accomplishes that against tOSU this year.  
 

3.  This is a very inexperienced team on offense.  It’s going to take 5-6 games for this thing to click.  And when it clicks, it will be hard to defend.  Arch missed some very easy throws today.  These are not difficult throws.   He’s innately a gunslinger and will need to check it down rather than sitting in the pocket all day and forcing it.   The OL gave him plenty of time today.  
 

What stings is that we win this if we don’t shoot ourselves in the foot.  But this was a great barometer for us to learn about ourselves. We lost by 7 to likely the 1 seed on the road.   Hopefully we see them again.  

Good summary. The running game looked better, especially inside.

I choose to be optimistic, too, knowing that Arch can't play much worse and the offense shouldn't be so vanilla moving forward. It was surprising and disappointing that we couldn't scheme easier reads and throws for Arch with pre-snap motion and shifts. Oh, well.

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1 minute ago, linux said:

Outside OU,  Early Mack Brown's teams were extremely mentally resilient, they won a ridiculous 25-2 3 point games. Even the Chris Sims in the disaster games he did not get the short pass failure we saw today.

That is Sark's biggest flaw, he completely ignores the mental, a flag on offense should not derail every single drive, it is almost like the team mentally waits for the punt. He needs to take a page from Mack and let the team play more loose and less scripted. That is how he gets over the hump.

I just hope it is not the yips. The season can still end in the playoffs.

I thought Arch should've run more today than he did. It's almost like he felt compelled to stay in the pocket. Maybe more rollouts, too?

We need more improvisation, especially against a good defense.

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33 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:


I mentioned it in another thread. It’s like he’s being forced to stay behind the line, particularly in the pocket. Which is aggravating, because that mobility is a valuable part of him game.

I don’t think they are forcing him to stay in the pocket, I think Arch’s first instinct is to get the yards by passing.  It’s not uncommon with inexperienced QB’s.  He needs to learn to move the sticks with any means necessary. 

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5 minutes ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Jon Stewart What GIF

Man we have been deprived of football for months.  We did a lot of good things this game.  Special teams was lights out too, forgot to mention them.  Get the offense to gel and we’ll be hard to beat.

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I think we will be ok.  This team and especially Arch were the subject of ridiculous expectations.  There is no way they could have been met without a first year starter doing what only 3 people have done in the history of college football: finish #1 with a national championship, win the heisman and be drafted #1.  Well, that pressure is off Arch and this team now, and they can hopefully develop “normally” without the ridiculous hype.

We were 1-5 on 4th downs, +4 in penalties (2 providing first downs on their first scoring drive), and +1 on turnovers with really poor play from our QB and we lost by a touchdown on the road to #3.  I think that bodes well for being able to tighten things up over the rest of our non-conference schedule and finish strong.  I will be pretty surprised if this does not prove to be Arch’s worst game of the year.

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5 hours ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

Sark really needs to consider taking points. We didn’t get to see Shipley today but if he is an upgrade from Auburn, taking 3 points isn’t always the worst thing. Especially with a new Oline 

With this defense? Yeah 3 points is huge. Is it correct we had 4 red zone opportunities? Scored only 7? That’s infuriating. 

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I’ll be honest…I didn’t know who the Ohio State coaches were. Other than Day. Since then, I’ve seen tons of posts about how “Patricia did this and that” and also forgot he won 3 super bowls. Arch was seeing ghosts for sure. Tough matchup on his first road game and first of the season.

Let’s let the team get it together and get rolling. I’ll keep the faith until we play Florida in early October.

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5 hours ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

Sark really needs to consider taking points. We didn’t get to see Shipley today but if he is an upgrade from Auburn, taking 3 points isn’t always the worst thing. Especially with a new Oline 

4 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

I don’t have a problem with any of his decisions to go for it on fourth down. I have an issue with every single call he made going for it on fourth down. 

i have a problem with not taking points

ever since tom went 0-8 inside lsu's 5 over the course of 90 seconds i am 100% take the fucking points

this game feels entirely different at 14-6

losing 14-12 feels entirely different

 

 

47 minutes ago, victory88 said:

So the booze has worn off.  Rewatched the game.  Obviously it sucks we lost but I saw a lot of good things.

1.  Run game.  We couldn’t run the ball last year against good teams.  We ran it for 166 yards and OSU ran it for what, 80 yards?  In a game where both teams focused on running it.  That was an elite defense.  I liked what I saw from the OL.  We created some holes.  I think Wisner needs to be the feature back.  He played very well.  Baxter is only going to get better as he gains confidence.  
 

2.  Defense.  Fucking legit defense.  That is going to be the best collection of skill players we will see all season.  They held them in complete check.  Fucking 200 yards of offense at home, let’s see what other team accomplishes that against tOSU this year.  
 

3.  This is a very inexperienced team on offense.  It’s going to take 5-6 games for this thing to click.  And when it clicks, it will be hard to defend.  Arch missed some very easy throws today.  These are not difficult throws.   He’s innately a gunslinger and will need to check it down rather than sitting in the pocket all day and forcing it.   The OL gave him plenty of time today.  
 

What stings is that we win this if we don’t shoot ourselves in the foot.  But this was a great barometer for us to learn about ourselves. We lost by 7 to likely the 1 seed on the road.   Hopefully we see them again.  

arch 17/30 170 1/1 58.0

sayin 13/20 126 1/0 74.5

Texas rushing 37/166 4.5ypc

tosu rushing 34/77 2.3ypc

Texas yards: 336

tosu yards: 203

despite arch we should have won

and 14-12 feels a hell of a lot different

2 empty trips with goal-to-go just doesn't work for me

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21 minutes ago, troph said:

With this defense? Yeah 3 points is huge. Is it correct we had 4 red zone opportunities? Scored only 7? That’s infuriating. 

I think he would have gone for the FG if but then Baxter ran it to the 1.  Shit I go for it at the 1 yard line every time.  It was a 7 point game at that point and if we don’t get it, they are pinned at the 1 with an offense that wasn’t doing much.   Like someone else said, I just didn’t like the QB sneak play call there.  

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14 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

i have a problem with not taking points

ever since tom went 0-8 inside lsu's 5 over the course of 90 seconds i am 100% take the fucking points

this game feels entirely different at 14-6

losing 14-12 feels entirely different

 

 

arch 17/30 170 1/1 58.0

sayin 13/20 126 1/0 74.5

Texas rushing 37/166 4.5ypc

tosu rushing 34/77 2.3ypc

Texas yards: 336

tosu yards: 203

despite arch we should have won

and 14-12 feels a hell of a lot different

2 empty trips with goal-to-go just doesn't work for me

The solution isn't pivoting to the clearly inferior option in terms of maximizing win probability. It's not being so shitty at setting your team up for success in that situation.

Also, no, losing 14-12 does not feel any different than losing 14-7. That is just aggy grade cope.

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16 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

i have a problem with not taking points

ever since tom went 0-8 inside lsu's 5 over the course of 90 seconds i am 100% take the fucking points

this game feels entirely different at 14-6

losing 14-12 feels entirely different

 

 

arch 17/30 170 1/1 58.0

sayin 13/20 126 1/0 74.5

Texas rushing 37/166 4.5ypc

tosu rushing 34/77 2.3ypc

Texas yards: 336

tosu yards: 203

despite arch we should have won

and 14-12 feels a hell of a lot different

2 empty trips with goal-to-go just doesn't work for me

If we kicked a FG at the 1/2 yard line and lost 12-14, everyone here would want Sark fired. And they'd be right.

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4 minutes ago, victory88 said:

I think he would have gone for the FG if but then Baxter ran it to the 1.  Shit I go for it at the 1 yard line every time.  It was a 7 point game at that point and if we don’t get it, they are pinned at the 1 with an offense that wasn’t doing much.   Like someone else said, I just didn’t like the QB sneak play call there.  

Also this. If it's 4th and goal from the 3-4, I think he kicks it and that's a more defensible decision. Baxter's second effort got you a couple feet from the goal line and completely changed the calculus.

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