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Charlie Kirk would not even have comprehended how badly Christopher Hitchens was destroying him on literally any debate topic.  

It's like taking the slightly stocky guy at your local bar who thinks he's tough and putting him in a cage with prime Fedor Emilianenko.  

 

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Well at least we know some of the "evidence" of the roommate/partner bullshit that was not being explained.

It seems likely that his comment about his dad being very MAGA is also indicative of the fact that the kid isn't alt-right or a gryoper.

 

 

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I’ll tell you when you spill the beans about how much you contributed to the Tyler Robinson legal defense fund.

This is the last post I’ve read from him. I honestly don’t think most of y’all understand how much the Ingnore/Block mechanism can do. Lowers the blood pressure, is only one of many examples.
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2 minutes ago, deech said:

Well at least we know some of the "evidence" of the roommate/partner bullshit that was not being explained.

It seems likely that his comment about his dad being very MAGA is also indicative of the fact that the kid isn't alt-right or a gryoper.

 

 

Is groyoer the same as furry?

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18 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Are we dutifully lionizing Hitchens as an orator? Serious question because the only thing I remember about him was his writings; his book(s) and his prolific essays. I remember him being a wonderful writer and his Vanity Fair pieces, but can't say I actually remember any debates or oral vehicles. 

Oh, yes, Hitchens was a prolific debater, frequently taking the side of science and reason against creationists and other theists.  Tons of clips on YouTube.

And ol' Charlie wasn't nearly as good as some of them.  They had the losing side, but they were better at logic at least. 

Charlie's shtick was prepared remarks in a kind of flowchart so he could quickly shout down whatever came his way.  It helped that it was his forum, so it was acceptable for him to do 90% of the talking and interrupt.  It also helped that he was much more comfortable on camera than most of the kids he went up against.  But it was all debate smoke and mirrors.

Christopher Hitchens would have intellectually stuffed him into a locker.

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Just now, Biff Tannen said:

Dude, this thread has gone down some weird ass internet holes that I wish I didn’t know about now. 

No worries. These will all be explained in children’s books in the next few years. 

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13 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Charlie Kirk would not even have comprehended how badly Christopher Hitchens was destroying him on literally any debate topic.  

It's like taking the slightly stocky guy at your local bar who thinks he's tough and putting him in a cage with prime Fedor Emilianenko.  

 

Joe Rogan was a big fan apparently (I did some searches of his videos) and it does seem he was quite the wit. The english accent is always worth an extra half point too when it comes to public intellectualism IMO.

 

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23 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

What seems to be (from outside looking in, you can tell me if I'm way off base), but it seems to be this is a teen male dominated thing (e.g. incels, groypers, gamergates, etc.) and it's not very typical for teen girls to get wrapped around the black pill dystopia chronically online axel.

No. For my daughter it wasn't about being an incel. She is pretty, tall, a good student, and an excellent athlete. It was simply nihilism. As a guy with a degree in philosophy I recognized it immediately as many philosophers wrote about it. Friendrich Nietzsche wrote about it extensively. She simply was asking what is life for and why do I have to do it? She saw no reason to wake up everyday and go through the process. Now she seems focused on being there for her mom in old age. She still has days though, particularly if something negative happens. 

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12 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Oh, yes, Hitchens was a prolific debater, frequently taking the side of science and reason against creationists and other theists.  Tons of clips on YouTube.

And ol' Charlie wasn't nearly as good as some of them.  They had the losing side, but they were better at logic at least. 

Charlie's shtick was prepared remarks in a kind of flowchart so he could quickly shout down whatever came his way.  It helped that it was his forum, so it was acceptable for him to do 90% of the talking and interrupt.  It also helped that he was much more comfortable on camera than most of the kids he went up against.  But it was all debate smoke and mirrors.

Christopher Hitchens would have intellectually stuffed him into a locker.

Go watch Charlie get destroyed by a Cambridge student named Tilly. She is easy on the eyes too. 

 

 

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He's definitely talking to the BlueSky Dems, they've probably been giving him a lot of shit over the last few days. 

But it's funny that the plebes trying to figure out motive are being admonished for getting it wrong while the Trump administration continues to blast their lies all over the airwaves. 

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1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

No. For my daughter it wasn't about being an incel. She is pretty, tall, a good student, and an excellent athlete. It was simply nihilism. As a guy with a degree in philosophy I recognized it immediately as many philosophers wrote about it. Friendrich Nietzsche wrote about it extensively. She simply was asking what is life for and why do I have to do it? She saw no reason to wake up everyday and go through the process. Now she seems focused on being there for her mom in old age. She still has days though, particularly if something negative happens. 

My favorite part of the Bible is Ecclesiastes.  Has nothing to do with Jesus and not much to do with God, which works for this agnostic wanderer.  "All is vanity and vexation of the soul."  I love it when you pick up an ancient piece of philosophy and it hits like it could have been written yesterday.  We meatpuppets have been dealing with this shit a long time. (There is nothing new under the sun.) It ends with (paraphrasing) "just do your job and don't worry too much about it."  Apparently it was added later, but I can get down with that. 

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9 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Will could be talking to either side here based on that

Don't think so.  Pretty clear, by his own text, he is not further to the right of CK.  

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Just now, babysdaddy said:

Don't think so.  Pretty clear, by his own text, he is not further to the right of CK.  

I’m saying that statement can be applied to everyone in this situation 

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1 minute ago, babysdaddy said:

Don't think so.  Pretty clear, by his own text, he is not further to the right of CK.  

I’m not convinced Robinson actually wrote those texts. The fBI had his phone for 4-5 days and certainly had a chance to make some of that stuff up. Especially if they didn’t like the narrative that they found in the phone originally.

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44 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

 

Call me crazy, but I don't think it was unfair to speculate on the only hard evidence at the time (obscure bullet markings, furries, and Pepe the Frog costumes). At BEST, Robinson at least knows what Groypers are. Considering Nick Fuentes has had a grudge against Kirk for years that his crazy followers have previously acted on ain't exactly some wild conspiracy theory.

That said, anyone conclusively stating that he was a full-fledged Groyper (and I don't agree with immamac changing this thread title) was obviously jumping to conclusions.

Most have been pretty steadfast that anyone expecting an obsessive political activist--for either side--probably isn't going to get that they want.

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1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Parenting has more than ever become the hardest and most important job in the world. 


 

 

 

I was aware that the internet was a fucked up place for kids. But my boys are only 3 and 1, and the only other kid I regularly interact with is my 15 year-old nephew, who is at least pretty tame outwardly. Learning some of the specifics of the shit they are exposed to is terrifying. 

I'm only 37, but I'm starting to feel old as fuck. The world is becoming entirely foreign to me.

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39 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

No worries. These will all be explained in children’s books in the next few years. 

fortunately, the director of the FBI has experience writing childrens books

The Plot Against the King: Patel, Kash, Vincent, Laura: 9781955550123:  Amazon.com: Books

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2 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

Hire clowns, expect a circus.

 

20 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

I’m not convinced Robinson actually wrote those texts. The fBI had his phone for 4-5 days and certainly had a chance to make some of that stuff up. Especially if they didn’t like the narrative that they found in the phone originally.

why would any actual evidence be released right now? I'm skeptical of just about everything being purported as fact right now. 

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After the Klippenstein reporting and seeing the texts from the charging document, I don’t think he was a groyper or alt-right or blackpilled. One of those seemed like the most likely explanation because the engravings of memes on the bullets was consistent with previous public shooters radicalized by that part of the internet.

Seems to me like he grew up a pretty typical conservative kid then met a trans girl and probably began softening on trans issues as a result. I think this has it right:

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3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

After the Klippenstein reporting and seeing the texts from the charging document, I don’t think he was a groyper or alt-right or blackpilled. One of those seemed like the most likely explanation because the engravings of memes on the bullets was consistent with previous public shooters radicalized by that part of the internet.

Seems to me like he grew up a pretty typical conservative kid then met a trans girl and probably began softening on trans issues as a result. I think this has it right:

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I am tending to favor this view myself.

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15 minutes ago, MrBig said:

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Things are getting a bit more clear. For one, he is clearly psychotic or at a very minimum very very very dumb. The killing seems to be ideological, with the text to his girlfriend that his dad had become more MAGA. But the memes references seem to indicate gamergate nihilstic behavior. 

No doubt the trans stuff is going to be what they go with.

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On 9/15/2025 at 6:02 PM, coachherman'sgrill said:

I think the should do the moment of silence when he was shot. Really sell Charlie’s message about unity, respect, and acceptance 

I really wish the Dems knew how to play the modern game.  Please introduce the “Charlie Kirk Unity Through Health Care Act”.  You know, ObamaCare but rebranded.

Other suggestions:

”The Charlie Kirk Unity Amnesty Program” for immigrants.

”The Charlie Kirk Civil Rights Unity Act”

” The Charlie Kirk Equal Rights Amendment (for Unity)”

 

I mean he was a modern day Gandhi right?  Everyone should support his message of peace, love, and unity !

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2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

But no worries, the MAGA Utah authorities seem to be doing their best to present a pre-cooked narrative of the shooter being a leftist, omitting and ignoring any mention of the groyper/fucked up complex and unbalanced worldview that looks to be the actual case.  We are going to get a curated narrative that matches up with the desired story by the MAGA team running things, and nothing that muddies it even in the slightest.

The great victory of their narration here is that the focus of the story has been deftly shifted from the turd that Kirk was to using the motive of the killer to sanctify Kirk in spite of his excremental actual history.

It doesn't take much to distract the simplistic vision of the major news media from the big story of what it means that the GOPs are celebrating this hateful fascist to the less relevant story of the politics of the shooter. 

Anti-republic party:

We need two things:

  1. A rallying point for a new surge of hate to justify furtherance of fascism.
  2. A distraction from the surprising problem of Epstein.

Luckily for us, somebody shot a fuckwad that we can make into a martyr! Strategy?

With remarkable swiftness:

  1. Define Kirk before the bumbling media can.
    • Flags at half mast.
    • Vice presidential conveyance of the saint's body to DC
    • Moments of tearful silence and prayer.
    • Swear bloody vengeance.
  2. Blame the radical socialist's history of violence which we've all seen (talk about shameless lying!)
  3. Specifically, go after trans-sexuals who are invading bathrooms and crowding women out of women's sports. "They're killing us all!"
  4. Announce crack down on (criminal persecution of) illusory socialists and trans-sexuals to protect our precious bodily fluids.
  5. Keep flooding the zone.
  6. Wonder why nobody is trying to stop us.

I just assume it's working. I'd be delighted to be told that I'm missing out on the big backfire.

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5 hours ago, C-Man said:

Interesting online post from a woman who is in the Texas BBQ/Food Scene. She says Robinson's roommate is transmaxing. I have to admit this part of the incel world is news to me.

 

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We are gonna need to increase the character count for thread titles. 

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I was aware that the internet was a fucked up place for kids. But my boys are only 3 and 1, and the only other kid I regularly interact with is my 15 year-old nephew, who is at least pretty tame outwardly. Learning some of the specifics of the shit they are exposed to is terrifying. 
I'm only 37, but I'm starting to feel old as fuck. The world is becoming entirely foreign to me.

I have a 14 year old son that is in Connections Academy - online charter school. He’s basically home schooled in public-ish school. He’s online all day most days playing games or watching something. He’s on Discord (has his own channel). He’s on Roblox, etc.

I say that to also say that I have full access to all of it and go through it often. I don’t watch it as much as I used to, as he has a solid circle of friends on there that are all fiercely private. They don’t let “strangers” in.

They talk shit about games and school. They make dumb jokes. Outside of being online, they sound like the kids I coach in soccer.

The internet is a terrible place, but it’s not hard to navigate if you stay all up in your kid’s business. He knows he has no privacy online from us. It’s part of our agreement of letting him on there. Basically - just be overly involved in your kids online life and what they are doing and it’s not much different than being overly involved in their regular life.
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45 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

After the Klippenstein reporting and seeing the texts from the charging document, I don’t think he was a groyper or alt-right or blackpilled. One of those seemed like the most likely explanation because the engravings of memes on the bullets was consistent with previous public shooters radicalized by that part of the internet.

Seems to me like he grew up a pretty typical conservative kid then met a trans girl and probably began softening on trans issues as a result. I think this has it right:

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I feel like I’m losing my grip on sanity and reality myself with this stuff. I read those texts in the charging document and am just having trouble believing that two 22 year olds who are into some truly odd corners of the internet culture text in completely literate English with complete sentences and everything. It reads like a script but I also feel crazy myself for even suggesting it. 
 

Part of this is my deep reservations that the Patel FBI can be trusted on anything.

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33 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

We are gonna need to increase the character count for thread titles. 

Seems like transmaxxing is basically designed to let alt-right people be trans while still being alt-right.

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25 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

After the Klippenstein reporting and seeing the texts from the charging document, I don’t think he was a groyper or alt-right or blackpilled. One of those seemed like the most likely explanation because the engravings of memes on the bullets was consistent with previous public shooters radicalized by that part of the internet.

Seems to me like he grew up a pretty typical conservative kid then met a trans girl and probably began softening on trans issues as a result. I think this has it right:

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Sorry, but this kid absolutely was involved in some dark, far-right spaces on the internet.  There's the photo of him doing the Pepe squat meme which is specifically a groyper/blackpill thing.  He dressed up for Halloween riding a Trump blowup doll that was painted green to be Pepe.  And him having a trans partner is also a groyper thing because of transmaxxing.  

The only thing right now that suggests he wasn't a groyper are these text messages where he super conveniently lays out his motive and his old man being too MAGA.  Which, ironically, also doesn't clear him of being a groyper because Nick Fuentes has been bashing Trump for a long time now.  These guys are further right than MAGA.  They don't like Trump and they don't like the Trump lackeys like Kirk who they feel are soft on Israel and Jews in general.

Again, real odd this supposedly ultra-smart guy just spills the entire plot with his motivations word for word perfect in some texts.  This meme obsessed goober is writing out full sentences ending with "my love" while laying out his movements and motive so perfectly that it becomes a slam dunk to convict him?  Also odd that he supposedly was able to assemble/disassemble his weapon enough to be able to hide it in his pants, but he just leaves it in the wooded area right next to campus to retrieve later.  He had already made a completely clean get away.  No one was looking for him.  They were busy with the two fake guys, one of whom straight up said he was trying to help the shooter get away!  So why dump the rifle?  Take a minute, pack it up in your pants/backpack like you did before, and then continue getting away.  Especially since you're so concerned about getting the rifle back to your pops/granddad.  Nah, instead he decides to dump a highly obvious long rifle which is literally the only piece of physical evidence tying him to the crime in some trees right next to campus so he can go back later to get it.  Then he texts his bussy to tell them exactly, word for word, what he did.

Trump lackeys in law enforcement are desperate for this to be a leftist trans person who killed Charlie Kirk.  Well, would ya look at that?  Here's some texts where we find out he was a leftist with a trans girlfriend and they told us everything from A to Z and it all lines up exactly as we'd hoped!  What a kawinkidink!  Oh, the fact that we supposedly have caught this dude red fucking handed but he's not cooperating with us?  Just ignore that.  In fact, here's ol Crosseyed Kash Patel to tell you he's on top of everything and it's going exactly how Trump wants it go!  Whoops.  I mean ol' Valhalla Patel is on the case to get all the facts and make sure justice is done..  Yeah.  That.     

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27 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I feel like I’m losing my grip on sanity and reality myself with this stuff. I read those texts in the charging document and am just having trouble believing that two 22 year olds who are into some truly odd corners of the internet culture text in completely literate English with complete sentences and everything. It reads like a script but I also feel crazy myself for even suggesting it. 
 

Part of this is my deep reservations that the Patel FBI can be trusted on anything.

Does it actually change anything for you?  In one scenario, he is someone who has lost step with reality and apparently into furries and shit. In the other scenario, he is someone who lost step with reality and is angry about the vitriol that Kirk and others spout. To me, it's the losing step with reality part that is the defining characteristic.  

I could see more conspiracy theories if 1) the Robinson wasn't still above ground; 2) if the roommate wasn't still above ground.  As it is, the simplest explanation is that someone who hated Charlie Kirk killed him, for many of the same reasons I really disliked Charlie Kirk. 

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32 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I feel like I’m losing my grip on sanity and reality myself with this stuff. I read those texts in the charging document and am just having trouble believing that two 22 year olds who are into some truly odd corners of the internet culture text in completely literate English with complete sentences and everything. It reads like a script but I also feel crazy myself for even suggesting it. 
 

Part of this is my deep reservations that the Patel FBI can be trusted on anything.

Yep. That was the first thing I said to myself. Who under 25 texts like that?

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7 minutes ago, Tuco said:

Does it actually change anything for you?  In one scenario, he is someone who has lost step with reality and apparently into furries and shit. In the other scenario, he is someone who lost step with reality and is angry about the vitriol that Kirk and others spout. To me, it's the losing step with reality part that is the defining characteristic.  

I could see more conspiracy theories if 1) the Robinson wasn't still above ground; 2) if the roommate wasn't still above ground.  As it is, the simplest explanation is that someone who hated Charlie Kirk killed him, for many of the same reasons I really disliked Charlie Kirk. 

The scary part is not understanding how he lost step with reality and worrying about what kind of weird shit the younger generation is exposing themselves to. It would be easier to understand if he was radicalized by the far left or far right because that's how people in my parents' generation do it.

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Have they found the bullet that killed Charlie yet? How do they know it’s the right weapon if there is not even a matching bullet yet?

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1 minute ago, MrBig said:

Have they found the bullet that killed Charlie yet? How do they know it’s the right weapon if there is not even a matching bullet yet?

Hey, stop worrying about all that important physical evidence stuff!  The Republican governor and Trump's podcaster FBI director have already told you what the story is.  Furries!  Trans!  Lefty killers!  Quit asking questions, citizen, otherwise you might be getting a visit.   

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6 minutes ago, MrBig said:

Have they found the bullet that killed Charlie yet? How do they know it’s the right weapon if there is not even a matching bullet yet?

From what I understand, the bullet fragmented off his bullet-proof vest and shrapnel went through his neck. I don't even know if they can run ballistics off that. Not sure if they even need that with everything else they have.

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I think the second amendment + softening on trans issues + he was likely bi himself and was mad about society in general on queer issues may have been it and it all mixed together, left and right. Doesn’t matter. It’s trans people who are going to take the fall. I love you guys. I really do. Fuck. 

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