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Discharged for the military for schizophrenia. Admitted to cops that he was not taking his meds.

But we don’t need any sort of red flag laws or anything like that. Instead, we need to make sure that guys like this can buy firearm after firearm after firearm. That seems smart.

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This was probably ~4 years ago, maybe on the old site.  But we got into a discussion (somebody posted an article or an interview about a high-ranking officer who initiated the discussion), about how in a few years we were gonna see a wave of disturbed servicemen and women who were drone operators.  They would eventually develop PTSD-type symptoms after dozens or hundreds of bombing sorties (or surveillance sorties they knew would eventually lead to bombings).  And they wouldn't have anything like the usual combat-induced symptoms because they were doing this mostly from a trailer in the desert or a strip mall in San Antonio so most military doctors or VA staff/counselors wouldn't recognize it at first.  And I think that was right after that last VA Secretary under Obama had tried the latest and greatest overhaul of the VA hospital system.  

Anyway, this Paul Murray kinda fits with that I recollect from that flag officer warning.  Discharged after combat drone sorties.  Seems "okay" for awhile, gets on meds after awhile, goes off meds for awhile, violent shit ensues.  

It's the residence of the Vice President of the United States who is already hated by enough of this country for being so dark, so I'm thankful the authorities aren't taking any chances.  But our veterans care system did fail him in one regard...if there's a veteran you know to be having mental issues and needs VA/meds assistance, and he changes his mailing address to College Station, TX...you send a case worker out to him directly and get him back somewhere safe.  

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what was that in her hand, a cricket bat?

 

 

It looked a little like one didn't it? I tried watching again, but can't say for sure. She's minding her own business by the light pole and dude comes by and he should've kept himself to himself because now his teeth are going to be loose for days. What an eejit. Picking on the elderly. That's so alpha.

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On 3/18/2021 at 6:47 AM, Lobo said:

This was probably ~4 years ago, maybe on the old site.  But we got into a discussion (somebody posted an article or an interview about a high-ranking officer who initiated the discussion), about how in a few years we were gonna see a wave of disturbed servicemen and women who were drone operators.  They would eventually develop PTSD-type symptoms after dozens or hundreds of bombing sorties (or surveillance sorties they knew would eventually lead to bombings).  And they wouldn't have anything like the usual combat-induced symptoms because they were doing this mostly from a trailer in the desert or a strip mall in San Antonio so most military doctors or VA staff/counselors wouldn't recognize it at first.  And I think that was right after that last VA Secretary under Obama had tried the latest and greatest overhaul of the VA hospital system.  

Anyway, this Paul Murray kinda fits with that I recollect from that flag officer warning.  Discharged after combat drone sorties.  Seems "okay" for awhile, gets on meds after awhile, goes off meds for awhile, violent shit ensues.  

It's the residence of the Vice President of the United States who is already hated by enough of this country for being so dark, so I'm thankful the authorities aren't taking any chances.  But our veterans care system did fail him in one regard...if there's a veteran you know to be having mental issues and needs VA/meds assistance, and he changes his mailing address to College Station, TX...you send a case worker out to him directly and get him back somewhere safe.  

I remember reading something back around 2012 that said drone operators had one of the higher instances of PTSD in the service. Maybe it was the same article. I can't imagine why anyone would want that job. I guess post 9-11 it was kind of a new gig, and no one really thought of them as offensive weapons. But if you sign up today and want to be a drone operator you should know what you're signing up for. 

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I remember reading something back around 2012 that said drone operators had one of the higher instances of PTSD in the service. Maybe it was the same article. I can't imagine why anyone would want that job. I guess post 9-11 it was kind of a new gig, and no one really thought of them as offensive weapons. But if you sign up today and want to be a drone operator you should know what you're signing up for. 

Could be.  I think was a direct interview/panel discussion with a general officer or flag officer about the same topic, maybe slightly more recent.  

And his point continued as, "we have mental and physical prep modules for tank warfare that our tankers begin months before deployment and the care they receive months/years after getting home because of the close quarters and close combat.  Meantime, we are as far away from armored warfare as we've been since 1812 and getting more distant by the day.  But our way of prepping and decompressing our drone operators is in a shameful infancy.  

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Dunno if this off-brand Bhad Bhabie is right-wing, but she sounds dumb enough to qualify. FAAFO.

 

If I were on a jury, I would not have convicted him of murder.  IMO, he had every right to blast her in the face had he been armed.  

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Hopefully he's a little trustafarian and her family cleans him out. Also, reminds me of this:

 

If you're dumb enough to rob a black woman much less 30 of them, then you deserve every bit of that whoopin' you're gonna get

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Parler tried to throw Facebook under the bus. Now the right wing social network’s users are angry.

Just as Congress was finishing up grilling the CEOs of Facebook, Google, and Twitter at a hearing on Thursday, Parler published its response to a separate Congressional inquiry into the company's ties and finances.

In its letter, Parler accused the Big Tech companies of trying to scapegoat the right wing social network in order to avoid accountability for their own roles in what transpired on Jan. 6 when supporters of then-President Donald Trump violently stormed the U.S. Capitol building. Parler also called for an investigation into collusion between the Big Tech companies and alleged anticompetitive practices.

One major point Parler focuses on its letter is that the company "referred violent content and incitement from Parler's platform over 50 times before January 6th" as well as "specific threads of violence" relating to events being planned at the Capitol on Jan. 6.

However, Parler's attempt to pile on Facebook while its CEO, Mark Zuckerberg, was being admonished by Congress members seems to have backfired.

"So you are snitches over nothing but democrat conspired bs???" commented one user on Parler's own post about the letter to it's Parler profile page.

The comments section quickly filled up with some of Parler's users accusing the right wing social media platform of "ratting out" the site's own members.

"SO PARLER IS NO BETTER THAN FAKEBOOK AND TWITTER.....?" posted another user in reply. "This is NOT an example of a free speech platform. Parler is a fraud," claimed yet another.

The reaction to the news that Parler "colluded" with the FBI in order to report violent content was so strong on the right wing platform, the company was compelled to release a statement addressing those outraged users.

In doing so, Parler found itself unironically explaining the First Amendment to its user base filled with members who declare themselves to be "Constitutionalists" and "Free Speech" advocates.

"Some users have raised questions about the practice of referring violent or inciting content to law enforcement," begins Parler's latest statement. "The First Amendment does not protect violence inciting speech, nor the planning of violent acts. Such content violates Parler's TOS. Any violent content shared with law enforcement was posted publicly and brought to our attention primarily via user reporting. And, as it is posted publicly, it can properly be referred to law enforcement by anyone. Parler remains steadfast in protecting your right to free speech."

Of course, this type of speech that Parler says violates its rules is the same type of speech that social networks like Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube say violates their rules. The whole appeal of Parler to its conservative userbase is that the platform supposedly differs from the others on that. 

While the replies were more supportive in Parler's latest announcement, again, some of their users expressed their disapproval with Parler in the comments to that post as well.

"I want some damned response to the farce that we called an election," repied one user. "Sometimes, violence IS the answer."

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That pussy libtard? Bitch please.

No doubt. If he were around to say "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever" today, some shitkicker would say "what about beyond forever, you snowflake?"

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It's so hard picking which thread to put this story in:

 

 

 

SIAP. The guy who was assaulted by Hotze's paid worker, is now suing Hotze.  He's asking for $1m+.

Let's review the facts

  • Steven Hotze in Houston is a known GOP operator.
  • He hired an ex-cop to privately investigate voter fraud late last year.
  • The ex-cop somehow thought an a/c repairman was creating fake ballots, and that he was transporting 750,000 fake pre-filled ballots.
  • Ex-cop drives into the repairman's truck.  Holds him at gunpoint (Barney Fife citizen's arrest), waits for the actual police to drive by.
  • Ex-cop's hired goons realize there are no ballots in the truck, so they steal the truck.
  • Hotze pays the guy $200,000 the day after the events above, for a job well done.

Hotze and his lawyer, Woodfill say the ex-cop's actions were not their responsibility. And they dispute the facts above as well. They claim it's the repairman's fault.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/houston/article/air-conditioner-repairman-sues-hotze-gun-politics-16064020.php

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This is why I don't fear these people. They are just too stupid to be much of a threat:


"The “White Lives Matter” rallies were disrupted in several cities after activists infiltrated their online groups and leaked internal chats to journalists. Those chats were reported to have indicated that the events were being planned by the extremist group the Proud Boys and by self-described fascists and Nazis who framed the rallies as peaceful events unaffiliated with known hate groups to recruit more mainstream members. 

Organizers in several cities canceled events because of sabotage by antifa activists. Raleigh’s organizer called off a rally Friday, telling subscribers, “It turns out that the 11th is a disaster.”

Two of the largest Telegram channels dedicated to events in Philadelphia and New York City were shown to be traps created by anti-fascist activists. Another local activist tweeted screenshots of the plan's reveal with a warning Saturday to would-be rallygoers: “Given how riddled these chats are with antifascists ... it might be time to rethink whether you really want to trust a bunch of anonymous internet weirdos to show up with you in your city."



https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/white-lives-matter-rallies-flop-hardly-anyone-shows-rcna650

 

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8 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

This is why I don't fear these people. They are just too stupid to be much of a threat:


"The “White Lives Matter” rallies were disrupted in several cities after activists infiltrated their online groups and leaked internal chats to journalists. Those chats were reported to have indicated that the events were being planned by the extremist group the Proud Boys and by self-described fascists and Nazis who framed the rallies as peaceful events unaffiliated with known hate groups to recruit more mainstream members. 

Organizers in several cities canceled events because of sabotage by antifa activists. Raleigh’s organizer called off a rally Friday, telling subscribers, “It turns out that the 11th is a disaster.”

Two of the largest Telegram channels dedicated to events in Philadelphia and New York City were shown to be traps created by anti-fascist activists. Another local activist tweeted screenshots of the plan's reveal with a warning Saturday to would-be rallygoers: “Given how riddled these chats are with antifascists ... it might be time to rethink whether you really want to trust a bunch of anonymous internet weirdos to show up with you in your city."



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So they cancelled their fascist rallies because they were outed as being fascists?  Am I understanding that correctly?  I would think they would be proud of who they are, if they truly believe it. 

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Did anyone else happen to catch the show? Some of it was old news, but the reporter showed the timeline of escalation from Charlottesville to the present. I wish he had spent a little more time on the Oakthkeeper/3%r aspect as well as some of the funding and people (Roger Stone types) who face no culpability for their role.

And the concern about the fringe becoming mainstream was discussed by counterterrorism officials. And thus:

 

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https://gizmodo.com/white-extremists-sought-murders-of-politicians-and-cops-1846677172

 

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In mid-January, U.S. intelligence analysts began quietly notifying local police departments about a host new violent, criminal threats surfacing in the wake of the Capitol riot. At only number six on their list, the analysts warned that voices emanating from one of the internet’s most malignant corners had begun calling for the murders of politicians and police.

 

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Demands for swift reprisals following the failed Jan. 6 coup resounded across a network of prominent Telegram channels manned by an amalgam of neo-Nazis, anti-government belligerents, and conspiracy-theory hawkers—a veritable open pit of genocidal fanaticism, where names like Adolf Hitler and Anders Breivik are spoken in reverent tones. Amid the usual xenophobic bellyaching, something more deadly arose from the crowd and grasped the attention of Homeland Security agents: calls for the most fanatical of members to launch suicide attacks on Democratic politicians and their Republican counterparts deemed “traitorous” to the cause. Likewise, any cops getting in the way would viewed as suitable targets.

 

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The massacres, they were told, should be livestreamed. Those who fell in the attacks would be “Saints.” 

 

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On Jan. 15, nine days after the fatal assault on the Capitol, analysts at one of Florida’s three intelligence “fusion centers” issued their first bulletin of the year highlighting violent extremist content. The Violent Extremist Snapshot served to notify police in Central Florida of online posts by far-right extremists abetting real-world violence and crime. High on their list were the calls for political assassinations coming from white supremacists, neo-fascists, and other “racially-motivated” extremists.

The internal analysis, first reviewed by Gizmodo, reveals Homeland Security agents working closely with state and local agencies in the days following the Capitol siege. Intelligence gatherers at the agency’s dozens of “fusion centers” across the country had also monitored calls for violent action ahead of the event, though Washington had all but ignored the signs. In the days after, analysts were closely monitoring news about the mass migration of extremists to “alternative” platforms, as well as a flurry of calls to hunt down politicians in their home states, to loot and burn their houses, and to sabotage and set fire to “major retail businesses” viewed aligned with Jewish interests. 

Obtained by record-seekers at the transparency group Property of the People, the reports originated from a Florida-based fusion center, one of the dozens of federally-funded counterterrorism offices that share intelligence with police agencies at the state and local levels. Information gleaned from social media is often shared with local departments, but only (in policy) when analysts on Domestic Violent Extremist (DVE) desks cross rhetoric viewed as inciteful to violence and criminal acts.

Typically, the reports are read solely by personnel with a “valid need-to-know.” And while not classified, they are intended “FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY.” Bolded notices on top sheets instruct readers to withhold the reports’ intelligence from the public and the media. Attempts to obtain such documents through public records requests often end with journalists getting pages that are entirely blacked out. But Property of the People, a small cadre of information activists and legal experts, has learned to navigate the nation’s oft-infuriating patchwork of open records statutes, exposing government pursuits that rarely see daylight. 

Across a swath of Telegram channels known widely as “Terrorgram,” diehard fundamentalists, self-proclaimed chauvinists, and maniacal flag-waivers come together with the occasional religious zealot to marinate in their collective insecurities. By and large, most of this extremist enclave has moved beyond its support for Donald Trump—and indeed, many had long viewed him as a feckless political tool, incapable of igniting the race war they’ve long promised. But the furor of the accelerationists was seemingly intensified by the Capitol coup and their frustration with its defeat. 

Calls to martyr themselves swiftly followed.

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“In one post, subscribers of the channel were told that they were the new ‘jihadi john’ and that like Jihadi John, they would need a rifle, a camera and fanaticism,” analysts wrote in one report, referring to the nickname of a notorious Islamic State militant—known mostly for beheading hostages in propagandized snuff films.

Unlike the ISIS terrorist, who was killed in a U.S. drone strike in Syria in 2015, “Terrorgram” users were promised that their actions would lead to “victory” and that they would have even greater impact courtesy of their ability to livestream. Those killed in action were promised “a place on the Saints leaderboard,” an apparent coupling of a video game reference and a vague nod to Christian martyrdom.

“The Saints leaderboard is both metaphorical and real,” says Megan Squire, a professor of computer science at Elon University who studies extremists online. Screenshots of social media posts provided by Squire showed a “Pantheon” of famous killers as far back as 2019, which included Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber; Breivik, a far-right spree killer who murdered 69 people in 2011; and Dylann Roof, the neo-Nazi convicted of the 2015 Charleston church shooting.

The intel reports refer to subjects primarily as “White Racially or Ethnically Motivated Extremists,” or WRMVEs. Although this official designation is rarely if ever used publicly—and is likely a newer addition to the government’s domestic terror thesaurus—references to WRMVEs have been featured in multiple intelligence community reports this year alone. Its specificity is more acute than “Domestic Violent Extremists” (DVE), but would seemingly encompass more threats than “White Supremacist Extremists” (WSE), a term more commonly found in recent national security texts. 

“It was suggested that the Mayor be killed on livestream,” the intelligence agents wrote of another surveilled discussion involving a user based in a Democratic Midwest town. “If the Sheriff tries to get involved, it was suggested that he/she be killed as well.” A Republican mayor would also suffice, they said, if they were deemed “traitorous” to the cause.

In some cases, users would seek to disguise their blatant threats by censoring certain words using the term “REDACTED.” This is “common parlance,” Squire said, adding it was especially popular among “Boogaloo” adherents, referring to members of the overwhelmingly white, loosely-affiliated anti-government movement, frequently armed at protests. 

“The purpose of Terrorgram channels is to be inspirational to those who might commit violence in the name of white supremacy, anti-Semitism and so forth,” Squire said. “The people behind these channels produce propaganda in the form of memes and written arguments, primarily to advance the view that there is no other solution except violence, that martyrdom in service of that violence is a worthy goal, and so on.”

The reports do not delve into why Republican politicians might have been painted as “traitors,” but in the timeframe around their distribution, the term had been frequently lobbed at Republicans refusing to endorse conspiracies of electoral fraud. Those who publicly acknowledged President Joe Biden’s electoral victory, such as Sen. Mitt Romney or Rep. Denver Riggleman, have been frequently derided as “traitors” by the former president’s zealous supporters.

Roger Stone, a longtime friend of Donald Trump, told Insider last month, for example, that Vice President Mike Pence was viewed as a “traitor” by many attending last month’s Conservative Political Action Conference. Footage captured inside the Capitol during the breach showed the rioting Trump supporters repeatedly chanting, “Hang Mike Pence.”

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The Department of Homeland Security did not respond to requests for a statement.

“For over a century, U.S. intelligence and law enforcement has targeted even mild leftist dissent as terrorism, while simultaneously ignoring and even assisting genuinely violent actors on the far-right,” Ryan Shapiro, executive director of Property of the People, told Gizmodo. “This has resulted in the brutal suppression of progressive movements and the rampant spread of murderous fascists menacing the nation today.”

Telegram, an encrypted chat app that boasts over 500 million monthly active users, is considered by experts in online extremism to be a veritable “safe haven” for violent right-wing ideologies. According to the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab, the app has witnessed an influx in recent years of public channels “explicitly aligned with far-right terror groups.” In one recent case, a British teenager—said to be part of a Telegram group that idolized Hitler and the terrorists behind the 2019 Christchurch massacre—was charged in January with circulating a notorious neo-Nazi handbook encouraging assassinations of Jews and people of color and offering detailed instructions on the construction of improvised weapons and explosives. 

The stated goal of the manual is to topple democratic governments and incite an open race war.

Since 2015, white supremacists in the West have carried out at least 26 lethal attacks killing more than 141 people, according to a U.S. intelligence report made public last week. “Of particular concern are white supremacists and anti-government extremists, such as militia groups and so-called sovereign citizens interested in plotting attacks against government, racial, religious, and political targets in the United States,” writes START, the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism.

According to the Global Terrorism Index, attacks by right-wing terrorists increased by an astounding 320% between 2014 and 2019.

Biden administration officials have recently signaled their intent to commit greater resources to the fight against “racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists.” Intelligence officials seeing new levels of cooperation among hate groups crossing geographical borders told Congress last month that violent extremists promoting “the superiority of the white race” now have the “most persistent and concerning transnational collections” out of all categories of domestic threats. 

The focus on violent white supremacists would mark a significant policy shift, particularly from the Trump years, which saw diminishing support for programs countering a superior threat in favor of more politically advantageous ones—chiefly aimed at immigrants and Muslims. In 2018, violent attacks by far-right terrorists, including white supremacists, more than doubled that of Islamic extremists in the West, according to START. That same year, Trump outlined his administration’s counterintelligence strategy, never mentioning the word “white” (except in reference to the president’s home).

“Islam,” conversely, made 25 appearances.

“Lastly, the United States has long faced a persistent security threat from domestic terrorists who are not motivated by a radical Islamist ideology but are instead motivated by other forms of violent extremism,” the strategy paper eventually notes, in a final paragraph, listing “racially motivated” extremists in the same breath as animal rights activists.

 

 

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It's only a matter of time before these right wing extremists start converting pissed-off, morons into martyrs.  When that domino falls; watch out.  Shit might get Lebanon-y in the U.S.

Meanwhile, they are completely protected and enabled by the "mainstream right wing," including people on this site, who repeatedly scorn any suggestion that we have a dangerous problem on our hands.  They will continue to scorn such suggestions, call us ridiculous, etc......right up until the blood runs down the Capitol steps.  And then they'll happily go along with the result.

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33 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

It's only a matter of time before these right wing extremists start converting pissed-off, morons into martyrs.  When that domino falls; watch out.  Shit might get Lebanon-y in the U.S.

Nah, they are too busy posting online or playing video games or watching Game of Thrones or whatever.  Barrack Hussein Ayatollah Khomeini Ghaddafi Obama being in office for two terms should have trigged them, and Trump losing in November as well, yet the majority of them could not get off their fat asses to do anything.

These people had their chance in November and then January, and they are now watching fellow believers lose their jobs, their houses, their freedom, etc.

Posting manifestos in mom's basement is far safer than getting put in a jail cell that might have a minority or a poor person, or *gasp* both.

In fact, I think the chances have been drastically lowered, due to them watching what happens to their fellow believers who fucked around and found out in January.

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38 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Meanwhile, they are completely protected and enabled by the "mainstream right wing," including people on this site, who repeatedly scorn any suggestion that we have a dangerous problem on our hands.  They will continue to scorn such suggestions, call us ridiculous, etc......right up until the blood runs down the Capitol steps.  And then they'll happily go along with the result.

 

3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Nah, they are too busy posting online or playing video games or watching Game of Thrones or whatever.  Barrack Hussein Ayatollah Khomeini Ghaddafi Obama being in office for two terms should have trigged them, and Trump losing in November as well, yet the majority of them could not get off their fat asses to do anything.

These people had their chance in November and then January, and they are now watching fellow believers lose their jobs, their houses, their freedom, etc.

Posting manifestos in mom's basement is far safer than getting put in a jail cell that might have a minority or a poor person, or *gasp* both.

In fact, I think the chances have been drastically lowered, due to them watching what happens to their fellow believers who fucked around and found out in January.

I think both of these takes are true; so we might not get to Lebanon-style violence but there are some true believers and they will act.  Thankfully, they've proven to be a fairly incompetent bunch; hope that trend continues. 

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I think both of these takes are true; so we might not get to Lebanon-style violence but there are some true believers and they will act.  Thankfully, they've proven to be a fairly incompetent bunch; hope that trend continues. 

They should have acted before now.  If Obama didn't trigger them, and if Dotard losing over the course of two months didn't trigger them, and with Dotard off of social media, what's left to trigger them?

What Republican is going to get them stirred up the way Donnie did?  

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47 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

What Republican is going to get them stirred up the way Donnie did?  

I'd say Tucker Carlson is giving it a shot.

I agree with @DigglerontheHoof; there are those that will become reluctant, that social mores regarding the consequences will cause them to retreat in aggrieved but mostly harmless ways. But the show I was watching on PBS was talking about the Capitol insurrection and subsequent fallout was not only encouraging some of the various groups, but they were gaining recruits--which is not a good sign and one could argue is why the recalcitrant GOP were dragging their heels with respect to the fallout. It only benefits them to have a fascist RW state.

The most alarming thing about those bulletins is that IT IS KNOWN that law enforcement has a number not insignificant of these bad actors in various positions and that these groups have been recruiting as many as they can. The military is actively attempting to deal with this issue but law enforcement? I'm not feeling super great about that....

Having a mole or moles who know what the agencies are reading and hearing about your plans can be beneficial to terrorists I would think.

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