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For the love of Christ woman,  stop posting the same fucking thing every 20 mins just to make your neurotic self feel better.     Bring something useful to the thread other than your inane babbli

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I volunteered today. Log/Admin role to replace people for 30-60 days. The operation is in the west, or should the Orcs win will be pulled back behind the NATO wall. Either way the humanitarian effort

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25 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

If you zoom in you can clearly see a second ship that’s moving and on fire.  
 

 

Much better video of the ship in which you can see secondary explosions and it sinking at the pier.

In the foreground it looks to be a warship which I can't tell if it has any damage, but you do see a projectile land in the water beside it as it is trying to get underway quickly and get out to sea.  Raises the question if the ship damage was artillery or sabotage.  

Then later you can see a second ship trying to get underway (3rd ship) between the first ship trying to leave and the sea wall.  This third ship is clearly also on fire.  I think this third ship may be a cargo/transport ship, but hard to tell with the smoke.

I wanted to see if the two underway ships collided as they tried to get away from port as that looked like it was going to happen, but my guess is the ship on fire had to come to a stop as the first ship (Warship?) trying to leave was not going to do so, but the video stopped prior to this.

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25 minutes ago, Goredho said:

 

Some people thrive on chaos, conflict and turmoil and can't really exist without it.  Thankfully, they usually become a casualty of their instigated "wars" long before they attain enough power to fail as bigly as Putin is now.

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16 minutes ago, ABSR said:

 

In the foreground it looks to be a warship which I can't tell if it has any damage, but you do see a projectile land in the water beside it as it is trying to get underway quickly and get out to sea.  Raises the question if the ship damage was artillery or sabotage.  

 

I saw that too, but my guess is the projectile was debris from the exploding ship in port. 

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10 hours ago, Snacks said:

So... I'm not military and I've been drinking, so maybe I'm way off...

It appears that Russia is willing to lose battles, but it's going to level Ukraine and eventually win the war.

I have no dog in this fight, so what am I missing?

If Russia is leveling cities and Ukrainians are escaping, ultimately, occupation isn't nearly as difficult, right?

Isnt Russia sacrificing the Freshman B team? Even if the best they have is JV, who has the advantage in the long game?

I'm not a warrior, so correct me if I'm missing a key point.

A better analogy is that Russia is playing the kids' card game War with all the cards excepts face cards.  They have the Aces but they will lose if they play them.

Their stack looks impressive until you turn the cards over.

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5 hours ago, Constant said:

 

What an absolute disaster for the Russians.  It's not just the loss of a ship and its cargo.  It's the likely severe damage to the port facilities and the knowledge now that the port is within Ukrainian artillery range.

This makes it all the more critical that the Russians capture Mariupol so as to link their forces and supply chains in Donbas and the Crimea.

2 hours ago, Shady Ray said:

Yeah, there is a lot of ugly stuff surrounding this that has been a subject of a ton of controversy for years here. And it has gotten even worse over the past week, where almost every major daily has run stories about Azov and its less-than-savory elements. But for clarity, no one here outside of the extremist fringes on each side believes the problem is so bad in Ukraine that it justifies/mitigates the moral bankruptcy/criminality of Putin's invasion. However, I do think if Putin would have limited is actions to the Donbass it would not have triggered nearly the reaction that it has here, as the Germans essentially viewed the Donbass issue as an Azov vs. Separatist issue and were prepared to look the other way. Just another example of huge miscalculation on Putin's part.

 

And as background, a lot of the attention to this issue within Germany over the past years has been self-inflicted by the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, Andrij Melnyk, who has made Germany's support of Ukraine much more difficult politically. One of the first things he did when he became ambassador was to take a highly visible and highly promoted trip to the grave of Stepan Bandera here in Munich - over the very loud objections of the Merkel government - at which time he attempted to rehabilitate Bandera from Nazi-collaborator/antisemitic war criminal to "Hero of Ukraine" while standing in the middle of Munich, which of course has significance in German culture as the birthplace of the National Socialist movement. This infuriated the Bundestag, which then formally restated the genocidal acts of Bandera against Jews and Poles and reaffirmed the German position that Bandera was a war criminal who colluded with the Nazis to exterminate Poles and Jews. I remember when it happened and the entire political spectrum in Germany essentially, did a collective "What the fuck?" headscratch as to why he thought this was such a necessary move as ambassador to the country that was essentially bankrolling Ukraine's existence at the moment, particularly in light of the 2014-2015 events. It was really ugly.

 

People here didn't (and still don't) really understand that that era for Ukrainians was complex, with Nazis on one side and Soviets on the other...so the nuance of "allies-by-convenience" re Ukrainian nationalism is easily lost for modern Germans, who are understandably trained to knee-jerk strongly against anything that could be seen as excusing/justifying Nazi atrocities. So this creates fertile ground for the Russians wrt Azov and the neonazi narrative.

 

Ever since that time, the relationship between the German government and Melnyk - and therefore by extention Ukraine - has been absolutely terrible...and the stage was set for repeated public discussions about Azov and its ties with neonazi movements within Germany like Der III Weg and the NPD. Which did, in fact, occur regularly on public media...stories on the ZDF showing the Azov regalia, and quoting its founder, Biletsky, etc, which was pretty severe stuff, and documenting ties between the worst elements of German neonazism and Azov, etc.

 

Melnyk through this and a variety of other regular invocations of Germans-as-Nazis helped inject the issue into the national discourse, which in a perverse way only resulted in amplifying the Russian propaganda narrative, which definitely caught on across party lines. This basically gave the Russian propaganda high-octane fuel to embed into German political coverage, which was then exploited by the Russians and by Putinverstehers in various parties. We are seeing the attempted unwinding of this phenomenon now.

 

So that said, the information environment on this topic in Germany is very different than it is elsewhere, as the environment here is obviously quite different when it comes to Nazi-era topics. But again, no one here views this is as justification for what has gone on, and given the brutality of this war, most people now understand that less-than-desirable people are going to end up with German weapons, and that is a price that Putin's actions have caused. 

 

Melnyk's history as ambassador here was subject to a write-up on this yesterday in the Frankfurter Rundschau (which is an established paper traditionally associated with the SPD government), where you can get an idea of the tone of the debate:

 

 

And there is a lot of grey when it comes to various peoples in the East and their actions during World War II.  If you're a Ukrainian in 1941, you had just endured a genocidal famine at the hands of the Soviet regime.  I think it's pretty easy to see why they would side with anybody against the Soviet Union.

That's not the historically puzzling thing.  The historically puzzling thing is why the Nazis didn't use latent and widespread anti-Soviet sentiment in Ukraine and other Soviet republics to mobilize local forces in an anti-Soviet coalition.  While they would take some guys directly into the SS, they threw into concentration camps anybody who supported an independent Ukraine that would exist as a Nazi ally (including Bandera). 

And it wasn't just that way in Ukraine; it was an experience repeated across the Eastern Front.  If they had been willing to indulge the nationalism of various Slavic peoples (even if only as a matter of temporary convenience), it would have been a force multiplier.  But instead, they saw Slavic nationalism as something to be suppressed and ultimately exterminated, which actually ended up diverting forces away from their main objective of defeating the Soviet Union.

Because the Nazis were, and could never be anything other than, Nazis.

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1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

My uncle was a Wild Weasel pilot in Vietnam.  I remember as a kid asking him about his time served and how a rag-tag (or whatever) army could stand up to the might of the US with all it's technology.  He said that is the wrong question many vets were asked.  It's not "how" they did it, it's that they were willing to do it.  They were willing to take the pain, give it back, and stand toe to toe with a superpower.  That mindset is hard to beat, as we are seeing now.  

And then I realized, like I was
shot — like I was shot with a diamond…a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God, the genius of that. The genius! The will to do
that: perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we, because they could stand it.

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

Poland blocking the Russian embassy’s access to banking

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-ambassador-says-poland-has-blocked-embassys-bank-accounts-ria-2022-03-24/

 

Woulda been cooler if Poland had let Russia use the ATM, then Poland head-butts Russia, takes Russia's money, buys a 40 ouncer with a little of it, then gives the rest to Ukrainian refugees.

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2 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

It's a shit sandwich of mediocre equipment and seemingly non-existent training.  I think you take American trained soldiers and gear them up with this Russian material, you see a VERY different campaign.  

Added the "s" for you above.  but maybe add secure coms, that seems to be a fundamental issue as well.

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5 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

where are they going to get the money to pay PMCs? 

By not paying out any kind of pensions to their already dead soldiers? I mean, legitimately this is actually a pretty good question. No one is accepting fucking rubles and they can't conduct business in dollars. 

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1 hour ago, ABSR said:

Much better video of the ship in which you can see secondary explosions and it sinking at the pier.

In the foreground it looks to be a warship which I can't tell if it has any damage, but you do see a projectile land in the water beside it as it is trying to get underway quickly and get out to sea.  Raises the question if the ship damage was artillery or sabotage.  

Then later you can see a second ship trying to get underway (3rd ship) between the first ship trying to leave and the sea wall.  This third ship is clearly also on fire.  I think this third ship may be a cargo/transport ship, but hard to tell with the smoke.

I wanted to see if the two underway ships collided as they tried to get away from port as that looked like it was going to happen, but my guess is the ship on fire had to come to a stop as the first ship (Warship?) trying to leave was not going to do so, but the video stopped prior to this.

The splashes I see seem to be debris from the explosions on the sinking ship.  It looks like smoke or water being sprayed on the moving ship.

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So have the Poles been chosen to be the lead attack dog on Russia, or is this entirely of their own accord, or some combo? Seems like they’re pretty strident and wouldn’t be so if they weren’t sure of US/EU support.
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