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1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Bullshit, he can eat shit and die. Everything he’s calling for now is the complete opposite of everything he’s done and said over the last 4+ years and especially since the election. All he had to do was be a grown up and accept that he lost the election. He didn’t, he convinced his followers that literally everyone who accepted the election was an enemy, and now that they acted on it and he was impeached, he says no violence and come together for USA. Fuck him forever. I hope he dies painfully and slowly while seeing how his legacy will be as a deplorable traitor to the country and the worst president in history. Fuck him, seriously, there was nothing presidential about that at all, it was literally another lie because we know goddamned well he doesn’t believe a word he read. Seeing him pretend to be normal after all that happened is more infuriating to me than his grade school insult tweets. It’s just fodder for republicans to say “see he’s presidential why the witch hunt!!!!” Fuck him, and may he diaf.

.... and if he had put on a mask in his press conference march 16th, three hundred thousand of our fellow citizens don't die, the economy doesn't crater, and he is re-elected in an actual real landslide.   it was all right there for him.

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1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

The idea that the republican script can ever be changed by anything the Dems say or do is flatly ridiculous 

The idea that a bunch of college kids who just got their ass kicked 10-3 are going up to Lake Placid and win the gold is flatly ridiculous.

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51 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

If someone is concerned about messaging when a president is being impeached for a second time after just attempting a violent coup then they are already team R. 

That's just not true imo. I think there are plenty of centrist people who haven't staked out a position on this impeachment and are ambivalent about it. Messaging and winning hearts and minds always matter in politics. 

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54 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

Nobody's (at least I'm not) talking about swaying dyed in the wool Rs, much less R congresscritters. I'm talking voters who can be swayed. Messaging matters. As just one example, fucktons of people voted R this cycle because of R fear mongering about the horribly named "defund the police" movement and "socialism."

the R's win elections campaigning against non-corporeal entities, feelings and morals.  they campaign against muslims and communists despite the fact that their opponents are neither.

the big lie schtick can be subverted and countermanded.  easily.  buttigieg proved it every time he went on fox last fall.

instead the dems put their least accomplished on the big stage in fractured soundbites and come off looking like incompetent amateurs.

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1 hour ago, Lobo said:

So you're saying the Turtle man is some sort of Lion-Fox hybrid?  Can we just go with my thing where an adult male is just really good at politics?  

i'm saying turtle man is a transparent weasel that is really good at politics.  maybe a honey badger, except they're cute and funny, and mitch is neither.

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11 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

That's just not true imo. I think there are plenty of centrist people who haven't staked out a position on this impeachment and are ambivalent about it. Messaging and winning hearts and minds always matter in politics. 

Then they are seditionists that can get hung with the rest of the scum. This isn't a "wait and see" scenario. This is the bottom line. You are either pro democracy or fascist. No middle ground.

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Bullshit, he can eat shit and die. Everything he’s calling for now is the complete opposite of everything he’s done and said over the last 4+ years and especially since the election. All he had to do was be a grown up and accept that he lost the election. He didn’t, he convinced his followers that literally everyone who accepted the election was an enemy, and now that they acted on it and he was impeached, he says no violence and come together for USA. Fuck him forever. I hope he dies painfully and slowly while seeing how his legacy will be as a deplorable traitor to the country and the worst president in history. Fuck him, seriously, there was nothing presidential about that at all, it was literally another lie because we know goddamned well he doesn’t believe a word he read. Seeing him pretend to be normal after all that happened is more infuriating to me than his grade school insult tweets. It’s just fodder for republicans to say “see he’s presidential why the witch hunt!!!!” Fuck him, and may he diaf.

I should neg you for such a weak-ass ambivalent take.

Take another shot at it, dial it up to 11. Then double it.
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20 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

That's just not true imo. I think there are plenty of centrist people who haven't staked out a position on this impeachment and are ambivalent about it. Messaging and winning hearts and minds always matter in politics. 

thank you.  we're not debating blow jobs.  the world has changed.  there is no timeout or halftime anymore.  if you want to counter chaotic evil you can't do it with lawful good (sorry for the AD&D reference).  the gloves have to be off, 7-24-365.  there is not such thing as "non-political" anymore.  everything is political, all the time, and sun-tzu says fuck that bullshit go kick some ass.

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43 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

That's just not true imo. I think there are plenty of centrist people who haven't staked out a position on this impeachment and are ambivalent about it. Messaging and winning hearts and minds always matter in politics. 

Yea there’s not a place for ambivalence with sedition. 

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I’m wondering if Trump’s subsequent pardons can be challenged in court. 
 

Seems like a pardon from a seditious insurrectionist shouldn’t hold much legitimacy in an American courtroom.  

Also, some of his pardons already seem like they could be challenged in that Trump was executing them in the furtherance of a criminal conspiracy. Stone, Flynn, and Manafort all got rewarded for not ratting on their co-conspirator. 

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17 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’m wondering if Trump’s subsequent pardons can be challenged in court. 
 

Seems like a pardon from a seditious insurrectionist shouldn’t hold much legitimacy in an American courtroom.  

Also, some of his pardons already seem like they could be challenged in that Trump was executing them in the furtherance of a criminal conspiracy. Stone, Flynn, and Manafort all got rewarded for not ratting on their co-conspirator. 

Any person pardoned who had anything to do with what trump was impeached for, including roger stone, should have that pardon challenged.

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4 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

holy shit, today was the day that donald became president. that was a shockingly reasonable statement, aside from the brief aside about 1st amendment bullshit.

He does have a general ability to read a crafted speech off a teleprompter when he is in deep shit trying to save his ass. Again, the motivation is saving his ass, not the country's.

the same people he is calling out today in a canned speech are the same people he extolled 'We Love You, You're Very Special' extemporaneously a week earlier...

hmmm, i wonder where his true feelings lie/lay?

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11 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Well maybe trump shouldn’t have tried to kill pence and his family. 

Was that wrong Mike?  Should I not have done that.  I tell ya' Mike, I gotta plead ignorance on this one.  If anybody here had given me any indication that kinda thing was frowned upon.  

Seriously, he insults Cruz's wife, berates Lindsey Graham, and puts a bounty on Pence's head...and all these guys can do is line up to suck his balls. 

But Trump is all that is man, right?  A guy once grabbed my wife's ass at a bar on Rainey Street about 10 years ago.  I forget what happened after that though.  

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5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

According to that reporting, he would resign if he thought a pardon was assured. 

Stay tuned! 

Pence should tell Trump he will pardon him if he resigns and then after he does, say psyche!

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Lincoln Project just ran a full length ad during the KVUE news broadcast saying “this disgrace etc (all kinds of footage of the attack) is all on you, Cruz, Hawley, and McCarthy.” It was strong.

They need to keep it up. For years.

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5 hours ago, Gourmand said:

No he's the representative for OH 16. I think you're referring to Vicente Gonzalez from Corpus Christi 

 

5 hours ago, Bookman said:

Damn, I guess y'all are right. My new rep in TX-23 is "Tony Gonzales." https://gonzales.house.gov/

According to this, TX-23 is "Ernest Gonzales." He voted no. What an asshole.

Pardon the impertinence but this seems as good a place as any to share this story. A few months ago one of my neighbors was getting his car towed. The sign on the tow truck said, “Speedy Gonzalez Towing.” At first I thought, “That seems racist,” but then I noticed it was a couple of Mexican guys doing the towing so I don’t know. Maybe it was just copyright infringement. The logo even included the mouse in the sombrero from the classic Warner Bros cartoon. Warner Bros spelled it Gonzales with an “s” but I can’t imagine that would protect the towing company from a lawsuit.

Anyway, I thought that was odd.

/csb 

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1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

Yea there’s not a place for ambivalence with sedition. 

I agree. But clearly we have a shit load of uninformed/misinformed/stupid assholes in this country who get their opinions from their Facebook feed. 

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55 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Lincoln Project just ran a full length ad during the KVUE news broadcast saying “this disgrace etc (all kinds of footage of the attack) is all on you, Cruz, Hawley, and McCarthy.” It was strong.

They need to keep it up. For years.

 

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This is shocking. Trump's considering a  wackjob lawyer for his defense. https://m.investing.com/news/world-news/exclusive-trump-considering-lawyer-who-spoke-at-rally-for-impeachment-defense--sources-2388746

This guy tried to convince Pence that he did in fact have the power to overturn the election. Somehow he was a law professor at something called Chapman University...until some true patriots got him fired. 

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5 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

This is shocking. Trump's considering another wackjob lawyer for his defense. https://m.investing.com/news/world-news/exclusive-trump-considering-lawyer-who-spoke-at-rally-for-impeachment-defense--sources-2388746

This guy tried to convince Pence that he did in fact have the power to overturn the election. Somehow he's a law professor at something called Chapman University.

That is a well respected law school. In fact TAMU is thinking about buying it. /aggets

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1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

 

Pardon the impertinence but this seems as good a place as any to share this story. A few months ago one of my neighbors was getting his car towed. The sign on the tow truck said, “Speedy Gonzalez Towing.” At first I thought, “That seems racist,” but then I noticed it was a couple of Mexican guys doing the towing so I don’t know. Maybe it was just copyright infringement. The logo even included the mouse in the sombrero from the classic Warner Bros cartoon. Warner Bros spelled it Gonzales with an “s” but I can’t imagine that would protect the towing company from a lawsuit.

Anyway, I thought that was odd.

/csb 

Have a friend from college who went by that moniker.

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12 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

one distinct trend i've noticed is that, generally, democrats have well-fitting masks, whereas republicans have to constantly touch their face to adjust theirs. this must be by design.

 

I realize I am 12 hours and ten pages behind on this thread, but I'm gonna respond because insomnia:

 

Its because republicans never wear their masks, but they have to on the floor of the House. Since they never wear their masks, they are not used to them, and are constantly touching and adjusting them.

If you have been wearing your mask on a regular basis for the past year, you just get to the point where you don't notice it.

 

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9 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

 

Pardon the impertinence but this seems as good a place as any to share this story. A few months ago one of my neighbors was getting his car towed. The sign on the tow truck said, “Speedy Gonzalez Towing.” At first I thought, “That seems racist,” but then I noticed it was a couple of Mexican guys doing the towing so I don’t know. Maybe it was just copyright infringement. The logo even included the mouse in the sombrero from the classic Warner Bros cartoon. Warner Bros spelled it Gonzales with an “s” but I can’t imagine that would protect the towing company from a lawsuit.

Anyway, I thought that was odd.

/csb 

You are right that does seem odd.  You would think Slowpoke Rodriguez would be more into the tow truck driving.

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14 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


I should neg you for such a weak-ass ambivalent take.

Take another shot at it, dial it up to 11. Then double it.

Sorry, dry January is a bitch. My inhibitions are still up. I'll try again in February.

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14 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

.... and if he had put on a mask in his press conference march 16th, three hundred thousand of our fellow citizens don't die, the economy doesn't crater, and he is re-elected in an actual real landslide.   it was all right there for him.

Say what you will about "defund the police" as a political misstep, but nothing beats denying the seriousness of COVID and adopting anti-mask rhetoric. It was literally a political layup to encourage mask wearing, support quick relief, and take actions to slow the spread. The numbers would be way down, people wouldn't blame him for economic downturn, and we would probably be in a hell of a better position in November. He decided that division and chaos would help him and he was wrong. A lot of "moderates" would have stuck with him even if they didn't necessarily like him if he had just been strong on COVID and argued that a change in leadership would not be wise during a crisis. It would have worked, guaranteed. But here we are, he preferred to be an asshole, including convincing his lunatic fanbase that he was robbed.

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21 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Say what you will about "defund the police" as a political misstep, but nothing beats denying the seriousness of COVID and adopting anti-mask rhetoric. It was literally a political layup to encourage mask wearing, support quick relief, and take actions to slow the spread. The numbers would be way down, people wouldn't blame him for economic downturn, and we would probably be in a hell of a better position in November. He decided that division and chaos would help him and he was wrong. A lot of "moderates" would have stuck with him even if they didn't necessarily like him if he had just been strong on COVID and argued that a change in leadership would not be wise during a crisis. It would have worked, guaranteed. But here we are, he preferred to be an asshole, including convincing his lunatic fanbase that he was robbed.

Completely agree.  This was the easiest crisis in American history.  All he had to do was appear strong, urge people to follow the scientists and throw in some buzzwords about national unity and he likely wins reelection.  

He just couldn't divorce himself from his fan base.

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