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2 minutes ago, Covri said:


Serious question, in that thread you said 50% of the posts were CR.
 

A. What are all these CR posts you see? Because last night and up until your post I’d only seen a couple people bitching about the CR but no real CR posts, had me confused last night and here you are repeating it this morning. Can you cite some examples?

 

B. What does saying everything is CR actually do other than make it CR? People make jokes in the face of tragedy, that’s not CR. People point out current affairs that may contribute but that’s only CR if you make it political vs. just pointing out current environment.
 

I’d like to hear your thought?

Looks like they got moved to a different thread.  But if someone is talking about Trump, or any R or D public official, the post, even if just a quote, will inevitably have a partisan tone in this politically charged environment.  It's just the stupid fucking world we live in.   I don't give a shit what he or any other R or D have to say on a fast paced news thread unless it's a flat out statement of facts.  A lot of us don't care and actively try to avoid what any of those idiots say as it's fucking irrelevant to the goal of actually becoming educated on any given topic.  When I click on a thread like that in DT, I want fact aggregation and expertise aggregation (what has historically made DT great is we have experts on damn near any topic in the community) and then community discussion on same.   If I want to bitch about Trump or Kamala or similar I can go to the Cloak Room for that.  But inevitably in damn near any thread someone has to chime in on what Trump said, and someone reacts, and off we go.  Then yeah, those of us that are actively trying to avoid partisan bullshit end up bitching about the Cloak Roomers which, to your point, further dilutes the discussion.

 

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53 minutes ago, immamac said:

We get no web traffic from that, we get no web traffic from a lot of stuff and the top incoming traffic comes to the "Lauren boobert" thread, because people search lauren Boebert boobs and we rank at the top there because of the funny thread name. 

So thread titles with better flair? I read you loud and clear. 

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2 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Looks like they got moved to a different thread.  But if someone is talking about Trump, or any R or D public official, the post, even if just a quote, will inevitably have a partisan tone in this politically charged environment.  It's just the stupid fucking world we live in.   I don't give a shit what he or any other R or D have to say on a fast paced news thread unless it's a flat out statement of facts.  A lot of us don't care and actively try to avoid what any of those idiots say as it's fucking irrelevant to the goal of actually becoming educated on any given topic.  When I click on a thread like that in DT, I want fact aggregation and expertise aggregation (what has historically made DT great is we have experts on damn near any topic in the community) and then community discussion on same.   If I want to bitch about Trump or Kamala or similar I can go to the Cloak Room for that.  But inevitably in damn near any thread someone has to chime in on what Trump said, and someone reacts, and off we go.  Then yeah, those of us that are actively trying to avoid partisan bullshit end up bitching about the Cloak Roomers which, to your point, further dilutes the discussion.

 

this isn't gonna be the case this time.  I think that the outrage and discussion about what it means politically is gonna be in CR and DT is gonna be a bunch of making fun of shit and hot takes that happen to be the main characters of this era's drama/tv/whatever.

When politicians dominate the news cycle because the media is giving them airtime it's not politics it's just the news being dominated by elected officials. If they say stupid ass shit it's fair game.

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2 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I tried to make the point to @immamactuat CR was negatively affecting the site, BEFORE the election. I was laughed at, albeit by many in addition to him. 

I agree with everything you’re saying. The ignore feature here is worthless because everyone quotes the people I ignore, because they’re the most polarizing. Your quote of Captainant just below this post and people’s frequent quoting of Fantana are prime examples. The ignore feature’s lack of functionality is a problem. 

If I were Imma, I’d jettison CR to a separate site and outlaw heavily political talk on DT. It’d help the divisiveness here. 

and then all of the sudden new people would just pop up out of nowhere that haven't already found this place after 7 years of existence when there is no real CR in the football or 9.95 boards which are the lions share of the traffic?

You just say shit that makes no sense because the data doesn't support whatever stupid ass fucking narrative you have. 

No one is going to come to surly that is new because the news discussions here are just awesome. That's not what this site is, it's a football and recruiting board with some other discussions that happen because there's a ton of people here. 

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Even if CR was an echo chamber to the left, who fucking cares? It's there for a reason. The OSU board I frequent also has a politics board and is an echo chamber almost exclusively to the right. I just avoid it and it doesn't come up in sports discussions. I also avoid the news board there too because it's the same. I still pay them for access to the members only boards because the sports conversations are worthwhile.

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Posted
Just now, Rex Kramer said:

You sure seem to know a lot about why your site is dying and sure seem to shit all over suggestions to make it better. If it’s primarily a football and recruiting board, it stands to reason it could do without CR. But what do I know, I just have a stupid ass fucking narrative!

I don't shit on suggestions to make it better, I reject the completely moronic take that CR is the reason the site isn't growing. There's no data that supports that, and there's a ton of other data that supports what would lead the site to have more engagement and funny shit. 

read this thread. 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

It’s 100% an echo chamber and the former Republican bullshit is a plot device. 

Whatever you say. The core group over there were mainly Republicans on Hornfans, and that’s relevant to the plot. 

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Posted
Just now, Rex Kramer said:

I did when it came out. First of all, it’s not that funny.  My humor has evolved as I’ve gotten older, but that doesn’t approach thujone’s gems or USC versus greatest armies. It’s mildly funny but contrived. 

Where you’re wrong on the CR is people don’t want to contribute because they’re simply not around because of the hate. And, yes, it deters future content creators from joining. This place is a leftist cesspool. I hate Trump, but you’ve let the looney control your site. 

you are an idiot. 

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Posted
48 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Looks like they got moved to a different thread.  But if someone is talking about Trump, or any R or D public official, the post, even if just a quote, will inevitably have a partisan tone in this politically charged environment.  It's just the stupid fucking world we live in.   I don't give a shit what he or any other R or D have to say on a fast paced news thread unless it's a flat out statement of facts.  A lot of us don't care and actively try to avoid what any of those idiots say as it's fucking irrelevant to the goal of actually becoming educated on any given topic.  When I click on a thread like that in DT, I want fact aggregation and expertise aggregation (what has historically made DT great is we have experts on damn near any topic in the community) and then community discussion on same.   If I want to bitch about Trump or Kamala or similar I can go to the Cloak Room for that.  But inevitably in damn near any thread someone has to chime in on what Trump said, and someone reacts, and off we go.  Then yeah, those of us that are actively trying to avoid partisan bullshit end up bitching about the Cloak Roomers which, to your point, further dilutes the discussion.

 

Yeah I see the media thread now that starts with posts after midnight. Looks like overnight shit went sideways. Last night it was a lot of good updates and anecdotes about the challenges of that airport that I thought were all value add. I did see a couple this is CR crap early when none had actually happened so it prompted my follow up today.

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Old fashioned message boards are dying all over the Internet. There's a lot of reasons, from either competing but similar service like reddit, to dissimilar services like Twitter, and even stuff like tiktok. Late 90s/early 2000s style message boards are a relative dinosaur in terms of how media is consumed. Claiming this one in particular isn't growing or is dying because there's a politics sub board is a a logical leap. There's politics all over Reddit and Xitter and Bluesky and tiktok. Xitter damn near forces it on you.

 

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1 minute ago, elfenix said:

Old fashioned message boards are dying all over the Internet. There's a lot of reasons, from either competing but similar service like reddit, to dissimilar services like Twitter, and even stuff like tiktok. Late 90s/early 2000s style message boards are a relative dinosaur in terms of how media is consumed. Claiming this one in particular isn't growing or is dying because there's a politics sub board is a a logical leap. There's politics all over Reddit and Xitter and Bluesky and tiktok. Xitter damn near forces it on you.

 

yeah, and it's not that it's "dying" it's that there's not any fresh blood/perspective and when things get stale they stagnate and when you stagnate you eventually shrink because of natural attrition, like when people actually die and stuff like that.

Posted
1 hour ago, Foosters said:

So forgive me if it seems like you care less about keeping the CR in the CR, and more about not seeing opinions that run counter to your own.

This is the essence of most people complaining about "CR" - it's just a means to shout down things they don't want to acknowledge. The fucking commander in chief of the US Army, whose helicopter just killed 60+ civilians, making a statement matters and is pretty goddamn key to the news story as it emerges.. It's aggy levels of stupid to call a direct quotation of his "political".

If President Trump ordered a military invasion on Panama to finally show those canal stealing bastards who's boss - it's gonna be a fucking news story. Sorry that trump is attached to the story. He IS the guy most of the CR complainers voted for anyways.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Captainant said:

This is the essence of most people complaining about "CR" - it's just a means to shout down things they don't want to acknowledge. The fucking commander in chief of the US Army, whose helicopter just killed 60+ civilians, making a statement matters and is pretty goddamn key to the news story as it emerges.. It's aggy levels of stupid to call a direct quotation of his "political".

If President Trump ordered a military invasion on Panama to finally show those canal stealing bastards who's boss - it's gonna be a fucking news story. Sorry that trump is attached to the story. He IS the guy most of the CR complainers voted for anyways.

Opinion they don't like? Report post, cry about CR, get opinion removed. "Free speech", yeah fucking right. They are all about censoring things that challenge their worldview.

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Posted
1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Even if CR was an echo chamber to the left, who fucking cares? It's there for a reason. The OSU board I frequent also has a politics board and is an echo chamber almost exclusively to the right. I just avoid it and it doesn't come up in sports discussions. I also avoid the news board there too because it's the same. I still pay them for access to the members only boards because the sports conversations are worthwhile.

This is 100% the reality although I've been shouted down when I made this point once before. The people that like sports and also like to post about politics find the site that largely suits their political flavor and then they all collectively shout down alternative viewpoints leading to the echo chamber pretty much every sports political board is.   I've never paid a dime to Fat Ketch but have had access to my buddy's account for well over a decade and sometimes for the sheer humor I'll read a thread in the cloak room and then the OB politics board on the same topic and it's pretty funny.  I don't have any problem with that in theory, but similarly, on all sports boards, because you have so many like minded individuals, the politics leak out onto other threads.   Imma is probably correct that this doesn't have anything to do with the site dying but for me personally I spend a lot less time on non sports, entertainment or food than I used to.    Probably just the reality of current culture where you essentially can't escape it and social media algorithms are also simultaneously echo chambers. 

Posted
2 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

Of course. I don’t really care. 

Of course you don’t. I take your posts  posts as a sort of avant garde comic performance.  
I knew Andy Kaufman wasn’t dead.

2 hours ago, Zepol87 said:

Sounds like I need another Tijuana trip to get this back on track

Thank you for your service. 
 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

One and only one. I left, and came back. Who the fuck are you?  You know what, I don’t care. 

Also, do we really have to keep entertaining this obvious lie? He clearly thinks he's the smartest person around and that his gaslighting is actually working on the rest of us. It's really sad.

Posted
4 hours ago, immamac said:

I didn't ask for your feedback, I am telling all of you what is happening. This isn't a "help me I need this site to succeed and grow" thread, this is a this fucking site is dying and twitter embeds and generally the internet has really fucked up how places like this site survive. 

 

2 hours ago, elfenix said:

Old fashioned message boards are dying all over the Internet. There's a lot of reasons, from either competing but similar service like reddit, to dissimilar services like Twitter, and even stuff like tiktok. Late 90s/early 2000s style message boards are a relative dinosaur in terms of how media is consumed. Claiming this one in particular isn't growing or is dying because there's a politics sub board is a a logical leap. There's politics all over Reddit and Xitter and Bluesky and tiktok. Xitter damn near forces it on you.

 

Just to reaffirm points made a few times, I know a guy who owns several message board sites on the internet. They are all dying. Younger people just don’t engage much. You can find them on Reddit, but it’s a different type of engagement. They don’t communicate in long threads. They do drive by posts as they feed their psyche with the dopamine from new feeds they scroll thru. People are really screwed up.
 
Combine the above with the polarized political environment and it makes it tough to remain addicted to the site. I’ve tried very hard, so far unsuccessfully, to set aside how I view people who have certain political views. I think other people have the same struggle. This is a new feeling because of how politics has really changed in the last 8 years. 
 

 

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Posted
6 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

Yup. The most frequent posters on those two boards set a disgusting tone of unchecked hostility that's permeated into the other forums.  

"unchecked hostility"?  Kindly go fuck yourself with an overgrown cactus wrapped in barbed wire!

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4 hours ago, Foosters said:

To be clear, the people who usually whine the loudest about CR, are the same folks who are fine posting the political opinions that they agree with all over the board. Because those aren't political opinions, simply inviolable truths.

There are multiple posters on the Ukraine DT thread who will explain why the Trump admin will be good for Ukraine. If you push back, they call you a CR troll. See also, the Israel-Hamas thread. Pronghorn spams DT with anti-LGBTQ accounts on a daily basis. I've never seen the "keep it in the CR" folks complain about that. In fact, they'll defend his right to do so if you attack him.

Does it upset the "CR sucks" folks that the "business and markets" thread is a place to criticize the Biden admin? I see some of you posting in that forum regularly who are some of the most vocal proponents of getting rid of the CR. But again, if its an opinion you agree with, you're fine with it on any forum.

So forgive me if it seems like you care less about keeping the CR in the CR, and more about not seeing opinions that run counter to your own.

There sure is a lot of bitchassedness among certain posters and it's not the CR "cabal." 

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Posted
21 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I don’t. I never should’ve offered feedback. I saw several others that shared my sentiment and I spoke up in agreement, and perhaps unlike them, I post in CR.  I do not care that a person I do not know, and does not know me, thinks I’m an idiot.

He’s probably right that the issues that me and others have written about here wouldn’t change, specifically, what he’s talking about.  I probably shifted his concern to what irks ME about this place, and I know it irks a large swath of posters here.  However, he continues to insist that pervasive and divisive political talk here isn’t an issue, and he’s wrong. It’s an obvious fix, too. But it’s also really easy to just walk away from, so the State of Surly doesn’t crack the Top 25 of my life’s concerns. 

What’s the ballpark word count of the top 25 on an average day?

Posted
5 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

Glad I provided feedback and can’t wait to get a membership and provide $ to your site. 

I'm sure you were just on the verge of doing that. Sites only been around since 2018. 

Posted
37 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

my status as a soon-to-be owner of 5 cars.

This is a legit issue. I am trending towards a fleet vehicle maintenance situation atm. I'd like to find a little slice of land and put a metal building on it to turn into a shop. 

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8 minutes ago, 'stache said:

It's paystub time isn't it . . .  it's gonna happen . . . right?

My situation was the consequence of having a big family. If you have 3 kids close in age plus a spouse things like vehicles hit fast and hard. I still have one more about turn 15 that's already window shopping cars.

 

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15 minutes ago, F250 said:

My situation was the consequence of having a big family. If you have 3 kids close in age plus a spouse things like vehicles hit fast and hard. I still have one more about turn 15 that's already window shopping cars.

 

My oldest just got his driver's license and i added him to our auto insurance today, so this hits close to home. Ouch.

As for the site, have any specific forums shown any growth over the last couple years?

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6 hours ago, immamac said:

bunch of free loaders who never donate, never pay, have never seen ads sitting here telling me about anything is also a fucking take. Don't participate in NIL, etc etc. 

Why would I? What do you think this board offers that is worth value? Repurposed stories and selective moderation? A substantial share of posters here go back to the Hornfans days. We’re here because BL had Shaggy taken away not to be “in the know” when some ugly shoes come on the market. I don’t live in Austin and have never been to a Surly tailgate. I hate NIL but accept that it’s part of the downward spiral of college football now. I’ve never listened to a Surly podcast for more than 5 minutes because I think that they’re poorly done and dreadfully boring. There are better (free) sites to discuss Xs and Os and we have 1 or 2 guys, who are not employed by you, that provide insider info on their own time. If you want to charge $5.99 to undercut those other sites, I don’t think you’ll be happy with the results. Counting on donations is a dumb business plan.

You are the owner of a CD player in a streaming world. Newspapers still exist too. Most 20-something’s probably don’t have the attention span to watch a full game much less post on this board. Especially new fans from 2011 - 2023 or those too young to remember VY crossing the goalie. Might as well enjoy what’s left of it before the party ends.

 

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I am seeing a whole bunch of folks that are being forced to post here and read threads against their will. We need to get someone on it asap. Who is forcing these people to read/post? I am going to reach out to KXAN and see if they will investigate. Something isn't right.

 

Nah, it is just idiots that don't know how to regulate and are offended when people draw them into a situation where they are forced to realize their inadequacies. Buncha unrealized self hatred. Sad.

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20 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

Why would I? What do you think this board offers that is worth value? Repurposed stories and selective moderation? A substantial share of posters here go back to the Hornfans days. We’re here because BL had Shaggy taken away not to be “in the know” when some ugly shoes come on the market. I don’t live in Austin and have never been to a Surly tailgate. I hate NIL but accept that it’s part of the downward spiral of college football now. I’ve never listened to a Surly podcast for more than 5 minutes because I think that they’re poorly done and dreadfully boring. There are better (free) sites to discuss Xs and Os and we have 1 or 2 guys, who are not employed by you, that provide insider info on their own time. If you want to charge $5.99 to undercut those other sites, I don’t think you’ll be happy with the results. Counting on donations is a dumb business plan.

You are the owner of a CD player in a streaming world. Newspapers still exist too. Most 20-something’s probably don’t have the attention span to watch a full game much less post on this board. Especially new fans from 2011 - 2023 or those too young to remember VY crossing the goalie. Might as well enjoy what’s left of it before the party ends.

 

So leave? Nobody would care and sounds like you have nothing worth your time here

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Posted
2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I saw you at at least one and I think two of the Lee Harvey meetups - post Shaggy-era. You clearly gave a fuck at one point - rather recently.

If you don't want to post here anymore then that's fine but a lot of us still enjoy the site. I don't know why you need to go all scorched-earth on the business model or imma.

I would love to quit this place but I just can't. The user-base is too fucking good. Anytime I go anywhere else it amazes me how fucking dumb the discussion is. Surly maintains a standard that (I assume - because I wasn't there) goes back decades at this point. 

We're a bunch of wicked smart, substance-abusing neruodivergents that take the piss out of everything and never let anyone off the hook for some bullshit, regurgitated opinion. Some of us are Texas grads - some aren't. And - whenever anyone needs to get vulnerable or has some real-life shit going on - we drop all the silly shit and get real and compassionate and empathetic in a hurry.

If this place isn't for you anymore then that's fine but I think @immamac works his ass off to protect the identity and for the most part I think he does a really damn good job. 

Cultivating something like this is rare and it's why a lot of us have tens of thousands of posts here. It's just... different. And a lot of us believe that that's worth hanging on to. 

You know you can tease him at first. You don’t have to pull the whole thing in your mouth right away. 

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On 1/29/2025 at 4:16 PM, troph said:

I really hate hearing this. I don't add a lot but I try to do and share more than just memes and drive by comments.

Yes you do.

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10 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I don’t get this hostility. He busts his ass to make the site available and working. It’s not a money maker. Why do you have to be such a jerk about it when he’s just trying to figure out how to keep viewership up and get enough money in the door to pay the server costs, etc. 

Is he? 

I didn't ask for your feedback, I am telling all of you what is happening. This isn't a "help me I need this site to succeed and grow" thread, this is a this fucking site is dying and twitter embeds and generally the internet has really fucked up how places like this site survive.

Would be helpful if we could clear up whether or not he cares that people donate because I’m at a loss.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, raw dog said:

You know you can tease him at first. You don’t have to pull the whole thing in your mouth right away. 

Let the adults speak, please.

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Posted
20 hours ago, Anastasis said:

The discussion board is a dying medium. Immamac has this sniffed out. You can tweak the content delivery options, but the reality is that this is largely a GenX thing. Pre-algo shit. Where people could actually hone arguments in exchanges with other human beings through the magics of the internets.  

It may well be dying, but it has more intrinsic value in the sense you just specified, than all the rest combined.

There is some damned good discussion and information in here.

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I appreciate this site. I am also going to just start negging spanky for every post going forward. Showed ass in CR then comes here to bitch about....checks notes....CR.  

Just fuck off @Spankytoes. Go fly off into oblivion ❄️. Godspeed dude.

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1 hour ago, F250 said:

My situation was the consequence of having a big family. If you have 3 kids close in age plus a spouse things like vehicles hit fast and hard. I still have one more about turn 15 that's already window shopping cars.

Exactly this. Why I need a shop. These $1500 trips to the mechanic will eat your shit up quick. 

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