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The NYT's article said it was a "crime of passion", whatever that means. Jealous ex??

How can there not be a public threat when 4 people just killed and there's no suspect. I was reading the reddit threads. Some heard it was stabbings, others heard shooting. Many of the college kids left early to go home for Thanksgiving. I'd nope the fuck out of there too.

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Police believe an "edged weapon such as a knife was used" and that it was an "isolate, targeted attack".

I'm going with a jealous ex. Stabbing 4 people to death takes some special conviction. This dude or dudes need to be slowly, painfully executed.

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From reddit. I was following the different threads last night. No idea how much of this is true but there were posts about the knife part long before police made it official.

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I鈥檝e been hearing some reports from people that say they鈥檙e close with the families. They have said that the manner of death was homicide by knife.聽This isn鈥檛 information from the university, police, or state police.

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There is a person at the very top of this thread who provided accurate information about the victims before the police publicized the victims' information. They say their friend lives across the street from the victims and heard EMS talking about stab wounds. Because this person who posted sounds authentic, I'm willing to believe it. And it would explain why the cops haven't said anything. You really want the town thinking they're living in Scream 2?

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Just based on information and rumors circulating around social media: at least one roommate was asleep inside the house during the attack, may have heard the attack but didn鈥檛 register what was happening. Her door was locked. They know the weapon and it would have caused substantial damage if accurate..prevailing theories are something happened during the formal event on Saturday night and male targeted someone or all in the house as a result. Also one victim reportedly had a stalker for some time and grew more disturbed by their behavior.

Absolutely nothing about this being a burglary or drug related.

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Where did you see all this information on social media? Can you share a link?

ProneZebra

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It鈥檚 just a summary of the multiple threads I鈥檓 following on Reddit and other boards that appear somewhat knowledgeable and credible based on the information and context the poster provided. Take everything with a grain of salt.

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From September.聽

https://dnews.com/local/man-reportedly-threatened-students-with-knife-on-ui-campus/article_e72b2c9e-100f-5b04-8fec-71a4f66b6664.html

MOSCOW 鈥 Moscow Police are still investigating a Monday night incident where a man allegedly threatened a group of people with a knife on the University of Idaho campus.

The UI sent out an alert Monday night warning people about the suspect. Around 8 p.m., a man threatened a group of students walking between the Steam Plant parking lot and the Student Recreation Center on Paradise Path.

According to Moscow Police Capt. Anthony Dahlinger, the suspect was on a bicycle and yelled at the group of students for not moving over for him.

An argument began and the man allegedly displayed a knife. Nobody was harmed during the incident.

The suspect is described as an 18 to 22-year-old white male. He was wearing a black baseball cap, black clothes, square-framed eyeglasses and had a five o鈥檆lock shadow. The UI alert says he had a nondescript mountain bike and a blue backpack.

From Sunday.

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Also coroner said it was聽鈥淕ruesome. I鈥檝e never seen anything like this in the 16 years I鈥檝e been in this position.鈥澛 Maybe that's why they think/thought it was a "crime of passion" because of how gruesome the act was. What if it was just some deranged fuck who walked in through an unlocked door and just gruesomely stabbed 4 people to death?

https://www.khq.com/news/homicide-investigation-underway-after-4-university-of-idaho-students-found-dead/article_0a36d69a-6397-11ed-b014-33a60f31f555.html

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42 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Also coroner said it was聽鈥淕ruesome. I鈥檝e never seen anything like this in the 16 years I鈥檝e been in this position.鈥澛 Maybe that's why they think/thought it was a "crime of passion" because of how gruesome the act was. What if it was just some deranged fuck who walked in through an unlocked door and just gruesomely stabbed 4 people to death?

https://www.khq.com/news/homicide-investigation-underway-after-4-university-of-idaho-students-found-dead/article_0a36d69a-6397-11ed-b014-33a60f31f555.html

Maybe just me, but this seems like an odd thing for the coroner to say publicly, especially at this point. Seems unnecessary and just more painful for the families. But, coroners are a different bunch...

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21 minutes ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

Maybe just me, but this seems like an odd thing for the coroner to say publicly, especially at this point. Seems unnecessary and just more painful for the families. But, coroners are a different bunch...

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That night Ted Bundy visited the Chi Omega house. 聽 We did not have the social the next day.聽

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1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Saw a photo of blood dripping outside the house. Apparently there was so much that it seeped through the walls and found a way out. Fucking horrifying.

Yea Daily Mail UK has this photo. Wasn't expecting to see that.聽

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2 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Saw a photo of blood dripping outside the house. Apparently there was so much that it seeped through the walls and found a way out. Fucking horrifying.

Saw that too. Pretty crazy since bodies don't really hold that much blood. Also, just saw the victims for the first time. Dude used up all his luck getting to live with what I can only assume are 3 Idaho 10s.聽

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On 11/15/2022 at 7:24 PM, Deej said:

That fucker took all the credit for Sam's work.聽

That鈥檚 not even remotely accurate. Quincy was Sam鈥檚 greatest advocate and he always gave Sam credit for the work he did. But Quincy was the master and Sam was the student. It was Quincy who had the hunches and the insight and the attention to the smallest details. And it was Quincy who was constantly taking grief from Dr. Astin and Lt. Monahan for pursuing a case despite the fact that he had been right and they had been wrong so many times in the past.

How dare you impugn Quincy鈥檚 good name like that?

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On 11/15/2022 at 4:11 PM, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

Maybe just me, but this seems like an odd thing for the coroner to say publicly, especially at this point. Seems unnecessary and just more painful for the families. But, coroners are a different bunch...

Between the mayor, the coroner and police chief a masterclass in 鈥渟mall town leadership exposed to national press and saying too much/the wrong shit鈥 is being taught.聽

When will people learn that stream of consciousness communication in moments of high stress as a public figure are not your friend?

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18 hours ago, SquishMitten said:

Saw that too. Pretty crazy since bodies don't really hold that much blood. Also, just saw the victims for the first time. Dude used up all his luck getting to live with what I can only assume are 3 Idaho 10s.聽

He didn鈥檛 live there, he was dating one of them.

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Well this changes things...

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/16/us/university-idaho-killings/index.html

More questions than answers continue to plague the Moscow, Idaho, community after the fatal stabbing of聽four University of Idaho students聽鈥 and police said they cannot assure the community is safe.

Moscow Police Chief James Fry gave an update Wednesday, saying two additional roommates were in the home at the time of the killings who were neither injured nor held hostage. Fry also said two of the victims 鈥 Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle 鈥 were at a party on campus, while the other two victims 鈥 Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves 鈥 were at a downtown bar prior to their deaths.

All four arrived back home sometime after 1:45 a.m. local time, Fry said. They were killed 鈥渟ometime in the early morning hours of Sunday, November 13,鈥 Fry said.

But there were no calls to 911 until noon Sunday. Fry did not say who called 911, despite two people being at the home when the killing took place and when officers responded. Fry also declined to say if the two people spoke with police.

鈥淲e鈥檙e not going to go any further into what they know and what they don鈥檛 know,鈥 he said.

He did say the call came in for an unconscious person, not a person with a stab wound.

There was also no evidence of forced entry, the chief said. Fry did admit all four victims were killed with a knife, though no weapon has been located at this time.

As of Wednesday evening, there is neither identity nor location of a suspect, Fry said.

鈥淲e cannot say there鈥檚 no threat to the community and as we have stated, please stay vigilant, report any suspicious activity and be aware of your surroundings at all times,鈥 Fry said.

Fry鈥檚 comments come just one day after the聽Moscow Police Department said in a news release聽there was no threat to the public and evidence led investigators to believe this was a 鈥渢argeted attack.鈥

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https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/nov/16/police-to-hold-afternoon-press-conference-on-killi/

MOSCOW, Idaho 鈥 The brutal killings of four University of Idaho students remained unsolved Wednesday as officials said more than two dozen investigators from four agencies had been assigned to the case.

Moscow Police Chief James Fry said in a news conference that detectives believe the homicides on Sunday at a home near campus were a 鈥渢argeted, isolated鈥 attack. But he stressed that they still haven鈥檛 found the murder weapon and don鈥檛 have a suspect.

鈥淲e cannot say that there is no threat to the community,鈥 Fry said at news conference attended by more than 40 local and national media members Wednesday afternoon. 鈥淲e still believe it鈥檚 a targeted attack. But the reality is there still is a person out there who committed four very horrible, horrible crimes.鈥

He asked that anyone who has information relevant to the case to call a tip line at (208) 883-7180.

Until the news conference, officials had said they did not believe there was a continuing threat to the public, and police declined to answer questions related to the slayings. Madison Mogen, 21; Kaylee Goncalves, 21; Xana Kernodle, 20; and Ethan Chapin, 20 were killed in the attack.

Mogen, Goncalves and Kernodle were roommates. The Latah County coroner ruled all four deaths as homicides. Autopsies were being performed on Wednesday, Fry said.

Fry said two other roommates likely were home during the killings and at the time police arrived on scene. Fry said the roommates were not injured during the attacks. He declined to say whether they were able to provide an account of the killings. When a reporter asked a question referring to the surviving roommates as witnesses, Fry clarified: 鈥淚 don鈥檛 think I ever said they were witnesses. I said they were there.鈥

Fry said investigators do not believe anyone was held hostage during the incident.

Police have determined the students were killed in the early morning hours of Sunday. Police discovered the bodies after a person called 911 to report 鈥渁n unconscious鈥 person around noon Sunday, Fry said. He declined to say who called 911.

鈥淲e don鈥檛 know why that call came in at noon and not in the middle of the night,鈥 Fry said.

On Saturday night, Chapin and Kernodle were together at a party on campus, Fry said. Mogen and Goncalves were together at a downtown bar and arrived home sometime after 1:45 a.m. Sunday, he said, confirming the women were seen in a Twitch livestream getting food from a local food truck.

Fry said the four students were stabbed with a knife but police have not recovered a weapon. He said there were no signs of forced entry and a door to the home was open when police arrived. There鈥檚 no indication anything was missing from the home, Fry said.

Aaron Snell, Idaho State Police communications director, said the people in the house have 鈥渇ully cooperated with the investigation鈥 and investigators have not established whether weapons other than a knife were used in the attack.

Fry urged the community to 鈥渞emain vigilant.鈥

鈥淲e all have to be aware of our surroundings and be watching out for each other,鈥 Fry said.

He said there are 25 or more investigators working on the case from Moscow police, Latah County Sheriff鈥檚 Office, Idaho State Police and FBI.

鈥淲e are providing every resource that we can to make sure that this comes to a conclusion and that the person or people that are responsible are brought to justice,鈥 said Idaho State Police Col. and Director Kedrick Wills.

University of Idaho students and families of the victims had expressed frustration Tuesday at the lack of information released to the public. Many students left Moscow early for Thanksgiving break.

鈥淭he reality is I probably should have been standing here a day or so ago,鈥 Fry said. 鈥淏ut I鈥檓 here now. We鈥檙e going to continue to be here.鈥

Snell is taking over communications related to the incident.

UI President C. Scott Green said the university will support students who have decided to leave campus. He added that officials decided not to cancel classes because many students prefer to stay .

鈥淭o us, this crime and the loss of these young lives is simply beyond comprehension,鈥 said Green, who fought back tears before wiping one away at one point. 鈥淲hile our small community is certainly not immune to such things, it鈥檚 not a situation our close-knit campus is used to dealing with.鈥

Green said the four students were 鈥渂right lights in our community.鈥

Some students who remained in Moscow to attend classes said they鈥檙e questioning if they鈥檙e safe on campus.

Blaine Eckles, UI Dean of Students, said the university increased campus safety patrols since the killings. Campus safety officials are available to escort students across campus.

Investigators are continuing to collect evidence, review videos and establish a timeline of events, Fry said.

Fry promised a thorough investigation.

鈥淲e are looking at everything 鈥 every tip we get, every lead we get,鈥 Fry said. 鈥淭here鈥檚 no one that we鈥檙e not going to talk to. There鈥檚 no one we鈥檙e not going to interview. There鈥檚 no one that we鈥檙e not going to look into.鈥

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That鈥檚 pretty fucking weird. I get not leaving your room until noon as a college student on a weekend, but that鈥檚 pretty nuts to basically sleep through or not hear 4 people getting stabbed to death in your house. Wonder if the surviving roommates just happened to lock their bedroom doors or if someone was specifically after those 4.聽

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The 911 call was for an unconscious person. Maybe the 2 other roommates were drugged and slept through it all. One might have finally woke up and stumbled outside where someone saw her and called 911. Supposedly the door was open to the house when the police arrived. That's why the chief was deliberate in saying the below. Can't be a witness if you are drugged and slept through the whole ordeal.

鈥淚 don鈥檛 think I ever said they were witnesses. I said they were there.鈥

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1 hour ago, Helobious said:

That鈥檚 pretty fucking weird. I get not leaving your room until noon as a college student on a weekend, but that鈥檚 pretty nuts to basically sleep through or not hear 4 people getting stabbed to death in your house. Wonder if the surviving roommates just happened to lock their bedroom doors or if someone was specifically after those 4.聽

College kids getting ready to leave for Thanksgiving break.聽 Out drinking/partying and use to hearing roommates being loud, playing music or having sex etc.

Then wake up at noon or 1PM and you don't go open closed roommates doors, you just go about your day.聽 Until you think something is amiss you would not knock and open a closed door.

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1 hour ago, crash_davis said:

The 911 call was for an unconscious person. Maybe the 2 other roommates were drugged and slept through it all. One might have finally woke up and stumbled outside where someone saw her and called 911. Supposedly the door was open to the house when the police arrived. That's why the chief was deliberate in saying the below. Can't be a witness if you are drugged and slept through the whole ordeal.

鈥淚 don鈥檛 think I ever said they were witnesses. I said they were there.鈥

A lot of places dispatchers just say 鈥渦nconscious/unresponsive鈥 person until death is confirmed by a paramedic.聽

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1 minute ago, Helobious said:

A lot of places dispatchers just say 鈥渦nconscious/unresponsive鈥 person until death is confirmed by a paramedic.聽

I think the issue is that they've confirmed they found the 4 dead in the house. Supposedly the unconscious was found outside the house which prompted the 911 call. From reddit post of neighbors, paramedics arrived first to treat the unconscious, saw the carnage in the house and alerted the police.

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9 hours ago, crash_davis said:

I think the issue is that they've confirmed they found the 4 dead in the house. Supposedly the unconscious was found outside the house which prompted the 911 call. From reddit post of neighbors, paramedics arrived first to treat the unconscious, saw the carnage in the house and alerted the police.

No, I dont think any roomies ended up passed out in the yard.聽 The roommates wake up and see the carnage and call 911, describes the scene etc..like others have said , they dont say "dead or deceased " on 911 calls as only the coroner, ME , Dr etc...can say someone is dead, so they call for help with for an unconscience or non responsive individual.聽 No news outlets are saying there was an unconscience individual in the yard.

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The sister of one of the victims was on the news. It was an odd interview. She talked about the house being a party house for a long time even before the victims lived there.

The door lock was a combo lock. She said everyone was very liberal about giving out the combination.

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11 minutes ago, DaggerHorns said:

The sister of one of the victims was on the news. It was an odd interview. She talked about the house being a party house for a long time even before the victims lived there.

The door lock was a combo lock. She said everyone was very liberal about giving out the combination.

like a drug house?

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The FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit is now assisting Moscow Police in the investigation. The BAU assists with crime scene analysis, interviewing techniques and can create a profile of an unknown suspect for police to look for.

Update: The Latah County Coroner tells CBS that the killings seemed "personal." The autopsy revealed that a large knife appears to be the murder weapon, but it is not clear who was killed first. There were possible defensive wounds on at least some of the victims according the Coroner. Each victim was stabbed more than once and there is no sign of sexual assault.

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Until they have a suspect I can imagine that fear is pretty high. Was thinking of the Gainesville killings on campus until they caught that maniac, Danny Rolling. Seen a couple of specials on that and parents were yanking their kids off campus. If they have evidence it鈥檚 not anyone in that house they need to be honest with the public that there is real danger.聽

So either a stranger that will likely do this again or someone known to the victims. if it was either two of the surviving roommates (both girls) I鈥檇 imagine there鈥檇 be evidence of a cleanup of some kind with that much blood. Unless there is more than one killer it really seems like the deceased victims were attacked in their sleep.聽

There was a case back in California where a man broke into a house where three young women were living and stabbed the two who lived upstairs to death and fled not realizing one girl lived downstairs who was able to call police. He had an issue with one of the girls he murdered because she was trying to get his fianc茅 to break up with him. The surviving girl heard everything. He entered the house late at night when all three were asleep. She tried to help her roommates but the wounds were too severe. The perp eventually married the fianc茅 and they asked one of the victims mother to be a part of their wedding ceremony. It took a long time to find the killer (it ended up being DNA on cigarettes left at the scene and some other stuff) but they interviewed the mother and she was shocked stunned angry etc鈥hat she was a part of that wedding ceremony.聽

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