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would you prefer it if the rules of soccer were actually enforced, or is it better as is?


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keeper holds onto the ball for more than 6 seconds- yellow

your team commits a foul and then one of your players picks up the ball/impedes a quick free kick- yellow

the referee calls a foul and is surrounded by 7 screaming players- yellow, yellow, yellow, yellow 

center backs and strikers getting absolutely mauled on corners and set pieces- penalty

a "soft" foul in the box that gets called 100% of the time when it happens in the midfield- penalty 

whereas baseball has a bunch of unwritten rules that they want everyone to follow, soccer has a whole bunch of written rules that they have no interest in enforcing. would the sport be improved by enforcing these rules, or is it fine the way it is? 

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Personally, I was a fan of how they utilized stoppage time in the World Cup and wish it was utilized more.

Goal celebration? Sure, celebrate as long as you'd like, have fun. Add it to stoppage time.

Routine tackle, but you go down screaming and take your time moving your ankle before you get back up and limp for two seconds before running full speed? Sure, add it to stoppage time.

I loved the 9 minutes of stoppage time at the end of games. It invited chaos at the end of games, and I love chaos.

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1 hour ago, TheBryMan81 said:

Personally, I was a fan of how they utilized stoppage time in the World Cup and wish it was utilized more.

Goal celebration? Sure, celebrate as long as you'd like, have fun. Add it to stoppage time.

Routine tackle, but you go down screaming and take your time moving your ankle before you get back up and limp for two seconds before running full speed? Sure, add it to stoppage time.

I loved the 9 minutes of stoppage time at the end of games. It invited chaos at the end of games, and I love chaos.

agreed. if the FA and/or UEFA started enforcing this we would drastically reduce the amount of this shameless play acting overnight. same with forcing players who need medical attention to stay off the pitch for 3-5 minutes.

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It's fine how it is but I think I'd prefer most of the rules listed to be enforced, especially yellows for impeding free kicks and calling fouls in the box against the defense the same as you would anywhere else on the field.  If defenders had to play more honestly in the box, especially on corners, it would open up a lot more goal scoring opportunities.

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Man I'm torn. Lifelong soccer player and huge fan. That side of me is fine with the way it is. I roll my eyes at the ways the players stall and play head games, but it's part of the game. Add keepers falling to the ground in the last five minutes to the list. 

But I've spent the adult years with kids playing rugby. The culture in rugby is the ref is the fucking law. Not to be talked back to or messed with in any way. If kids don't refer to them as sir or ma'am, the coach will pull you. The ref will cancel a match if the coaches chirp at them. It's really impressive and permeates the whole sport in a very cool way. An extremely violent sport has a total air of respect and love of the sport. They also have an additional tool...the sin bin. Similar to hockey penalty for a power play. 

Americans seem to have more respect for soccer refs that the Latin countries/EU. I think some of these should be automatic. Touch the ref...auto yellow. Impede the refs path...auto yellow. Any player other than captain or the one whistled complaining to the ref...auto yellow. Basically the rules with respect to the ref. Most of the rest, within the game play are too subjective. Diving and stalling is just too hard to quantify. You know it when you see it. Every 30 seconds cleats scrape a foot or shin that is only seen by slow mo replay because the pros are so good at disguising it/doing it out of ref view. Former players know that every single one of those are on purpose. The only way to police it is more VAR and more of the play eligible for VAR. I don't want that at all. Slows down the perpetually moving beautiful game.

Maybe more after the fact review and cards could help, but that a huge leap for the game. 

I realize at the highest levels almost everyone prefers the ref to be a non factor and to keep the game flowing...never have the ref be the story line. And I agree. But I'm for some rules with auto response, so it's less subjective and less drama filled, with respect to the ref. 

 

 

 

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The injury time in the WC was stupid. First halves where nothing of note happen don’t need 5 minutes of injury time.
 

The 2020-21 EPL season that relied on VAR 15 times a game to check if a players nipple or shoelace was .0001mm offsides was practically unwatchable. Glad they scaled it way back. 

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Not a soccer watcher but watched some of World Cup. I was shocked they were just letting players scuff up the ground on purpose right before an opposing team’s free kick or whatever they were called. Bush league as hell. Imagine people doing that before a golf putt or field goal. 
 

Also get rid of stoppage time and just stop the damn clock when play stops. It’s not “90 minutes of non stop action” when people are repeatedly chucking the ball into the stands or writhing in fake pain on the ground for minutes on end to waste time throughout the game. Stopping the clock will end that & actually create more action imo.

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Holy shit. I actually agree with Helo on something.

Love soccer. Never made sense that the ref can’t signal to stop the clock instead of “presumably” making a note on his watch.

Can still be at his discretion in most instances (ie not stop for ball out of bounds and throw in or for routine penalty/free kick etc but yea guy on the ground writing or playacting in pain stop that shit. Goal scored and celebration ensues…stop that shit).

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1 hour ago, Helobious said:

Not a soccer watcher but watched some of World Cup. I was shocked they were just letting players scuff up the ground on purpose right before an opposing team’s free kick or whatever they were called. Bush league as hell. Imagine people doing that before a golf putt or field goal. 
 

Also get rid of stoppage time and just stop the damn clock when play stops. It’s not “90 minutes of non stop action” when people are repeatedly chucking the ball into the stands or writhing in fake pain on the ground for minutes on end to waste time throughout the game. Stopping the clock will end that & actually create more action imo.

i actually loved the world cup stoppage time focus. it gets too bush league toward the end, but i guess that can be fart of the tension and fun.

i am a soccer fan and there's shit that drives me around the bend with the sport. stoppage time being one. 

a big one for me is respect for the ref. there is none. it's our job as fans to disrespect the ref. it's the captain's job to argue with the ref. all it would take is once or twice for a ref to do a yellow bonanza and the ref riots would stop. 

kicking the ball away from an opponent makes me laugh but it's such a terrible look. but allowing players to fucking scuff the spot is beyond the pale. that's bush league shit.

i also used to be team running clock, but i'm not any longer. similar for basketball. i hate when the game completely (not subtly shitfs tactically, but fundamentally) changes at the end. basketball is barely the same fucking sport in a close game down the stretch. intentional fouls should still be called intentional, no?

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I always wonder why refs don’t lose it more when ganged up on by players.  I mean outside Latam/Eastern Europe lower divisions are the players really going to do anything?

I think refs are judged by their ability to calmly walk away when ganged up on. My inclination would be to go MLB ump on them and say “get the fuck out of my face or get carded.”   FIFA/UEFA don’t want that though. 
 

Frankly the weird gamesmanship in  soccer always puzzles me. Hard foul.  Ref starts walking toward it.  Non-involved player of fouled teammate starts screaming, non-involved teammate of fouling player grabs shoulder of other guy and talks to him then talks to Ref. Somebody invariably puts hands together as if they are praying looking desperate.  Third guy walks up to guy on other team and says something and the conversation is almost as if they are teammates.  
 

it’s always been weird to me and I wish they’d mic it up like the NFL.  

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On 1/9/2023 at 8:32 PM, Bottlecap said:

Do I want soccer to be over-reffed like college basketball? hell fuckin no.

Calling the rules = over-reffing? That's silly. 

It hurts the integrity of any competition if the rules as written are not enforced. My vote would be to change some of these rules, but the calls should always match the rules. 

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On 1/9/2023 at 2:22 PM, shadow_operative said:

a "soft" foul in the box that gets called 100% of the time when it happens in the midfield- penalty 

 

this 100% yes. 

It would open play tremendously if they called fouls in the box like they do outside of it. 

Soccer should also have two linesman on each side and two refs - two sets of three for each half of the pitch. freaking hockey has four officials for a small ice rink.

but that would cost money...or they could just have VAR in every match. but that costs money too (LOOKING AT U CONCACAF)

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18 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

The injury time in the WC was stupid. First halves where nothing of note happen don’t need 5 minutes of injury time.
 

The 2020-21 EPL season that relied on VAR 15 times a game to check if a players nipple or shoelace was .0001mm offsides was practically unwatchable. Glad they scaled it way back. 

Then they shouldn’t have wasted 5 minutes of time diddle-fucking around 

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22 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

 

The 2020-21 EPL season that relied on VAR 15 times a game to check if a players nipple or shoelace was .0001mm offsides was practically unwatchable. Glad they scaled it way back. 

I hate the offsides rule right now. I think it states that you are offsides if any part of you that can score a goal is beyond the last player (head, foot, shoulder, nipple, ball sack, whatever. Hand can be offsides because no one other than Maradona (and God) can score with their hands). I get the logic behind that, but it leads to these ridiculous VAR measurements and checks. If it were up to me, I would simplify it to just the feet on the ground. If one of your feet is on the ground and onside, then you're good. That would open up the game a little bit, invite more through/over the top balls, and require more discipline from the defensive back line.

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4 hours ago, TheBryMan81 said:

 I would simplify it to just the feet on the ground. If one of your feet is on the ground and onside, then you're good. That would open up the game a little bit, invite more through/over the top balls, and require more discipline from the defensive back line.

I'm with you except I would make it both feet have to be onside. However if your ass or head or whatever is leaning towards the goal and the defender is leaning away from the goal (gee I wonder why that would be) it shouldn't matter. Feet and feet only. 

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