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1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

For a guy who 'made a living' off the capital stack of real estate, his knowledge of how bonds work is almost as impressive as his understanding of tariffs.  Truly mind-bottling.  

His knowledge is about as extensive as Elon Musk's knowledge of the First Amendment.

Elmo has no excuse - it's just 30 seconds on Google.

Trump doesn't either.

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On 3/6/2024 at 9:21 PM, Bullneck said:

Welp, I guess it's time to dust off this classic and remind everyone who our playing field is named after:

 

This is probably what the old SWC meetings were like back in the day.

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25 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

I think neither E. Jean Carroll, nor the state of New York, would be particularly bothered by this outcome.

Well if they spend a lot of effort "seizing" a multi million dollar property and get 10k out of it that tends to suck. 

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6 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

And that Frankoma pottery ain’t bringing the prices it once was.

 

6 hours ago, Macanudo said:

Don't you dare besmirch my Dale Earnhardt collector plate collection from the Franklin Mint.

good thing i got all these thomas kincade prints sitting around just awaiting the right moment

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34 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

 

 

 

 

They're all missing the real issue here.

The #1 rule of buying someone out is they have to stay bought.

If you think the person is going to flake out or turn on you after you buy 'em? Better off spending that money elsewhere.

That's why the Saudis, Musk, etc haven't spent a dime to help him. (And Putin has his own problems.)

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7 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

It's more that than anything else. 

If that were true, shouldn’t at least one of her questionable decisions serve to benefit the prosecution’s effort to see this trial to a speedy conclusion and not help Trump delay and muddy up the process? Just one?

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1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

They're all missing the real issue here.

The #1 rule of buying someone out is they have to stay bought.

If you think the person is going to flake out or turn on you after you buy 'em? Better off spending that money elsewhere.

That's why the Saudis, Musk, etc haven't spent a dime to help him. (And Putin has his own problems.)

Plus, while everything with Trump is transactional, it’s all on his terms - you give him money, he gives you what he wants to give you, which may not be what you want. Just ask all of the contractors who have taken him to court, the January 6 idiots who end up with jail time and felony records while he fundraisers off of them, the people who relied on his failed businesses for a paycheck,  etc.

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Putin and MBS (and Kim) know how to manipulate Trump with flattery and feeding his massive, fragile ego. Putin wants Ukraine and he already owns Trump. If Trump is elected, he’ll cut off aid to Ukraine and hand them over to Russia. If Putin bails him out trhough some back-channel means (no doubt aided by Manafort’s connections with Russian intelligence), the payback is already baked in. Nobody is expecting Trump to pay them back in cash.

I’m not saying that Trump will get bailed out by the Saudis. But the fact that it hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it won’t. It would have to be something that’s not easily traceable. And it wouldn’t be like a loan with a contract and terms for repayment. In fact they wouldn’t ask for repayment. They’d tell Trump how unfairly he was being treated and they just couldn’t stand seeing the injustice being done to such a great and powerful leader who did nothing wrong. 

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2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

But the fact that it hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it won’t.

Plus, if you want to leverage as much as possible out of him, you make him sweat it out a little closer to the deadline.  I don't know if the Saudis (or Trump for that matter) is as concerned with appearances of impropriety or the need for secrecy as your run-of-the-mill sociopaths might be.

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4 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

If that were true, shouldn’t at least one of her questionable decisions serve to benefit the prosecution’s effort to see this trial to a speedy conclusion and not help Trump delay and muddy up the process? Just one?

If the playing field was level, sure. But in a criminal case where the parties are roughly equally resourced, the field is tilted against the government, which has the burden of proof and a tall one at that. 

And, you can't say at this point whether this favors or disfavors Trump. She has made multiple CIPA decisions, all under seal, none of which the government has appealed, so they are presumably in the government's favor.  Let's hope she didn't fuck those up in a way that gives Trump a solid appeal. 

This latest is just stupid. For now, it's neither here nor there, pro or con. Just stupid. It may be a precursor to a giant mistake/attempt to favor Trump or it may work out in the end. 

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39 minutes ago, dcbc said:

Plus, if you want to leverage as much as possible out of him, you make him sweat it out a little closer to the deadline.  I don't know if the Saudis (or Trump for that matter) is as concerned with appearances of impropriety or the need for secrecy as your run-of-the-mill sociopaths might be.

They chopped up a journalist and didn’t really even try to hide it and the entire world basically ignored that, so no, they aren’t particularly concerned with appearances of impropriety.

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19 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

They chopped up a journalist and didn’t really even try to hide it and the entire world basically ignored that, so no, they aren’t particularly concerned with appearances of impropriety.

Yeah, that's not accurate.  They tried like hell to hide it, but they got caught by the ole' Apple Find My Phone Trick.  Between the phones and CCTV cams it's bad time to be a teen or a group of Boomer assassins! Am I right?

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On 2 October 2018, Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi dissident journalist, was killed by agents of the Saudi government at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, Turkey.[4][5] Khashoggi was ambushed and strangled by a 15-member squad of Saudi operatives.[6][7] His body was dismembered and disposed of in some way that was never publicly revealed.[8] The consulate had been secretly bugged by the Turkish government and Khashoggi's final moments were captured in audio recordings, transcripts of which were subsequently made public.[9][6][10]

The New York Times reported in June 2019 that Saudi government engaged in an extensive effort to cover up the killing, including destroying evidence.[7] By 16 October, separate investigations by Turkish officials and The New York Times had concluded that the murder was premeditated and that some members of the Saudi hit team were closely connected to Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia.[11]

Oh and don't forget these little details

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The next day, Middle East Eye reported that, according to an anonymous Turkish source, the killing took about seven minutes and forensic specialist Salah Muhammed al-Tubaigy, who had brought along a bone saw,[86] cut Khashoggi's body into pieces, while Khashoggi was still alive, as he and his colleagues listened to music.[87] The source further claimed that "Khashoggi was dragged from consul general Mohammad al-Otaibi's office at the Saudi consulate ... Tubaigy began to cut Khashoggi's body up on a table in the study while he was still alive," and "There was no attempt to interrogate him. They had come to kill him."[86]

 

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6 hours ago, Rimbo said:

They're all missing the real issue here.

The #1 rule of buying someone out is they have to stay bought.

If you think the person is going to flake out or turn on you after you buy 'em? Better off spending that money elsewhere.

That's why the Saudis, Musk, etc haven't spent a dime to help him. (And Putin has his own problems.)

Bingo, if they give him cash now, say he wins…he’ll obviously perpetuate the grift as soon as he is able and move on to another benefactor.

Also, if he doesn’t do what is asked what recourse would they have? He won’t be impeached (seen that twice now), he won’t die (we aren’t that lucky), he gets got (no one would do that, repercussions would be too immense). 
 

There’s no way to control him, everyone’s seen that already.

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On 3/7/2024 at 1:52 PM, dcbc said:

But don't get me started on the Cult of Garner and his convincing lawyers to put citations in the footnotes.

That’s where you put them when you don’t want anybody to look at em. And sometimes that’s helpful. 

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It would appear that Trump is facing those "consequences" some of y'all have been waiting for.

He had a major meltdown on Truth social last night. 

and it continues this morning:

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MAGA dolts are now saying Trump's "8th amendment rights" are being violated (that's cruel and unusual punishment for those like me who don't remember anything from school). 

I thought he was rich you fucking goobers?

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13 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Amazing doesn’t strike me as the most correct adjective 

There is apparently only one other adjective in American usage, incredible

My favorite use of that one is by newsmedia: incredibly believable, incredible accuracy, incredibly reliable source.

It's amazing how incredible it all is.

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6 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Plus, while everything with Trump is transactional, it’s all on his terms - you give him money, he gives you what he wants to give you, which may not be what you want. Just ask all of the contractors who have taken him to court, the January 6 idiots who end up with jail time and felony records while he fundraisers off of them, the people who relied on his failed businesses for a paycheck,  etc.

I recall that he offered one attorney to whom he owed more than a million dollars a racehorse. Trump said it was a great racehorse, so I'm sure it was.

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3 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I recall that he offered one attorney to whom he owed more than a million dollars a racehorse. Trump said it was a great racehorse, so I'm sure it was.

what about the limited edition Trump NFTs?

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1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

There is apparently only one other adjective in American usage, incredible

My favorite use of that one is by newsmedia: incredibly believable, incredible accuracy, incredibly reliable source.

It's amazing how incredible it all is.

What was that show in the 80’s like half-science, half reality show “It’s/That’s Incredible”??

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56 minutes ago, The Dog said:

MAGA dolts are now saying Trump's "8th amendment rights" are being violated (that's cruel and unusual punishment for those like me who don't remember anything from school). 

I thought he was rich you fucking goobers?

They clearly aren't familiar with Rummel v. Estelle, 445 U.S. 263 (1980), in which the U.S. Supreme Court held that the imposition of a life sentence without parole for fraudulently obtaining an aggregate of $230 (spread across three separate offenses) under the Texas recidivism statute did not amount to cruel and unusual punishment.  If that's not C&UP, very little seems to be.

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11 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

What was that show in the 80’s like half-science, half reality show “It’s/That’s Incredible”??

The most incredible thing on That’s Incredible was John Davidson’s hair.

That and somebody thought to pair Fran Tarkenton up with Davidson and Cathy Lee Crosby.

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1 hour ago, The Dog said:

MAGA dolts are now saying Trump's "8th amendment rights" are being violated (that's cruel and unusual punishment for those like me who don't remember anything from school). 

I thought he was rich you fucking goobers?

It's also "excessive fines," so not quite as foolish as it initially seems.  Still foolish af, though.

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24 minutes ago, dcbc said:

They clearly aren't familiar with Rummel v. Estelle, 445 U.S. 263 (1980), in which the U.S. Supreme Court held that the imposition of a life sentence without parole for fraudulently obtaining an aggregate of $230 (spread across three separate offenses) under the Texas recidivism statute did not amount to cruel and unusual punishment.  If that's not C&UP, very little seems to be.

The excessive fines portion of the 8th actually has a bit of vitality these days in the context of civil forfeiture.

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1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

There is apparently only one other adjective in American usage, incredible

My favorite use of that one is by newsmedia: incredibly believable, incredible accuracy, incredibly reliable source.

It's amazing how incredible it all is.

It means more than credible.

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12 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The excessive fines portion of the 8th actually has a bit of vitality these days in the context of civil forfeiture.

It seems like, in this case, the civil penalties have a pretty straight-forward, dollar-to-dollar correlation to the conduct.  So I'd guess it would be a pretty steep hill on appeal, all else being equal.  I haven't seen too many winning appellate arguments arising out of the 8th Amendment and don't recall seeing anything on the civil forfeiture side of things (not that that means anything).

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6 minutes ago, dcbc said:

It seems like, in this case, the civil penalties have a pretty solid, dollar-to-dollar correlation to the conduct.  So I'd guess it would be a pretty steep hill on appeal, all else being equal.  I haven't seen too many winning appellate arguments arising out of the 8th Amendment and don't recall seeing anything on the civil forfeiture side of things (not that that means anything).

and they can use his and his lawyers' words against him (thanks again Alina!)

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