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9 hours ago, TexArcher said:

It's funny that this alleged incompetence keeps benefitting one side over and over.  Kinda like how my firm has never, ever accidentally overpaid a commission.  

Them- protected, not bound. Us- bound, but not protected. 

20 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:


surly lawdogs. : nothing to be concerned about !

It’s not like she dressed poorly or forgot to return phone calls

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21 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:


surly lawdogs. : nothing to be concerned about !

Seriously why do you have to say this false shit during your group back slapping Daisy Chain posts.    Nobody has ever said that there was nothing to be concerned about.  Ever.   It was pointed out in the past that she could be doing things wrong because she’s a fucking incompetent who doesn’t know what she’s doing.   There was a post recently quoting practitioners before her who said she has no idea what she’s doing - and she seems to be floundering and has no idea how to make a decision that’s correct. The people who said that were not a part of the Trump case, they were talking about other cases she is hearing.

That post absolutely shows that the prior comments questioning her overall incompetence were not wrong.  We never said she wouldn’t do things wrong, and never said that there was no chance she wouldn’t do things wrong for ideological reasons.   We said the fact that she fucked up non-Trump cases makes one wonder whether her fucking up the Trump case was due to her similar stupidity and inexperience - or something different.    

The comment back then was “we’re not sure if it’s incompetence or intentional so let’s wait to see how things go.” That’s it. That was the only comment.  Nobody said it was not concerning. Nobody said it was impossible that she was in the tank for the orange turd.  We said back then that her general incompetence made it difficult to figure out what was intentional…and what was her lack of competence and experience. 

Nothing that was said refused to admit the possibility that she was in the bag for Trump.   Now that we know that senior judges asked her to informally recuse herself and she declined, we know exactly why she is there doing what she’s doing. 

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7 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

The comment back then was “we’re not sure if it’s incompetence or intentional so let’s wait to see how things go.” That’s it. That was the only comment.  Nobody said it was not concerning. Nobody said it was impossible that she was in the tank for the orange turd.  We said back then that her general incompetence made it difficult to figure out what was intentional…and what was her lack of competence and experience. 

Lol y'all were extremely butthurt that anyone would dare besmirch the legal system. Six months ago y'all were calling me hysterical for saying aileen in is the tank for trump, and now that there's no other film flam latin based pretense to hide behind and handwave her actions away y'all are finally opening your eyes to reality

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1 hour ago, Captainant said:

Lol y'all were extremely butthurt that anyone would dare besmirch the legal system. Six months ago y'all were calling me hysterical for saying aileen in is the tank for trump, and now that there's no other film flam latin based pretense to hide behind and handwave her actions away y'all are finally opening your eyes to reality

No one was butthurt.

The "defenses" of the legal system did not come in the form of defenses of Cannon.  She's indefensible, whether it's her bias or simple incompetence and inexperience or some combination of the two.

What the lawdogs do is tamp down the really very conspiracy-ish explanation of legal events made by people who don't really know what they're looking at.  

Righties aren't the only ones that suffer from confirmation bias. y'know.

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1 hour ago, Captainant said:

film flam latin based pretense to hide behind and handwave her actions away

I’m no lawyer but I’ve seen a few episodes of Matlock. I think the legal term here is, caecitas voluntaria.

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Posted
On 6/21/2024 at 6:51 PM, BevoAbyss said:

Sadly, it will not matter who takes the lead for the Democrats. That’s because the Dems will never ever confront — in any serious way — the most broken and malignant segment of American consciousness, which is infecting politics and every aspect of culture. 

And that malignancy is Christian Fascism. Because they believe “God" has their back with a divine plan for America, they are empowered with arrogance and ignorance on epic scales, which fuels the racism, hatred, and complete idiocy and anti-science nonsense.

Oh, sure, billionaires and corporate corruption are significant problems, but they are in second place. And the rich are often empowered by the same Christian fanatics, such as those that worship Trump. Dems will criticize the ultra rich, but not the ultra religious. As Catholics, AOC and Newsom ain’t taking on religion in any meaningful way. 

Instead, they and the Dems meekly complain about the political symptoms of Christian Fascism, not the disease. It’s like treating a broken leg with an Ace bandage and Bayer aspirin. Or like treating cancer with Advil or Codeine. Sure, the pain may be reduced and you’ll feel temporarily better, but ya still got a broken leg or cancer. 

As a consequence of the permanent free pass, the Christian Fascists realize no one in media or culture will stand up to them on any fundamental level. Hence, they are making a play for total power in a theocracy — and are on the verge of seizing it and backing it with violence. 

These aren’t fake Christians, as history has repeatedly shown. When they have a chance for total power, they’ll take it and impose it with vengeance. 

It’s a tale as old as time - religion being used as a cover for absolute power. Our country was “built” / stolen on the idea of Manifest Destiny, so why would it change now? 

Posted
44 minutes ago, Hard Times said:

Maher now gone totally looney. Lock up Dotard and throw away the key.

 

That is looney. Trump should’ve been hanged as a traitor in front of the Capitol steps a long time ago. If he only gets locked up, he’s getting off easy. 

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

No one was butthurt.

The "defenses" of the legal system did not come in the form of defenses of Cannon.  She's indefensible, whether it's her bias or simple incompetence and inexperience or some combination of the two.

What the lawdogs do is tamp down the really very conspiracy-ish explanation of legal events made by people who don't really know what they're looking at.  

Righties aren't the only ones that suffer from confirmation bias. y'know.

Y'all may think that your inability to see what was plainly obvious with Cannon reflects well on your ability to patiently practice and analyze law, but in reality all it does is reflect poorly on your ability to see what is right in front of your face here in the real world. 

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5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Yes man, it is a defense. When someone is criticizing SCOTUS for acting quickly on one case to help Trump and delaying as long as they can on another case to help him (particularly when the one they acted quickly on was actually a question of first impression and the one they're delaying is not and was already addressed to any reasonable judge's complete satisfaction by the appellate court), pointing out distinctions between the cases (which will literally, 100% of the time, always exist) as an alternate explanation for their delay is defending them.

And I really don't know how to express how much I hate the "who cares? It's not like it would even matter" mindset. I'm pretty cynical about the American voting public, particularly undecided voters, but I do think there are millions of undecided voters who would decide for sure they won't vote for him if he were to be convicted of crimes related to January 6th or of stealing nuclear secrets. They're still undecided for hundreds of reasons, but particularly because they don't pay constant attention to politics and thus don't really know much detail about any of Trump's million scandals. They don't know what you know.  

The Republicans on SCOTUS know this. They know delaying their decision on immunity, and then punting back to the district court for specific determinations as to whether all of Trump's acts at issue were public or private acts, will delay the trial until after the election. They are very fucking clearly doing this because they do not want undecided voters to see him get convicted of Jan 6th shit or of stealing nuclear secrets before the fucking election! For you to brush this behavior off as insignificant reveals a deep disdain for American democracy, the same disdain they have.

This is why the Dems should be running scary ads on TV right now that flat out say, “Donald Trump was caught selling our nuclear secrets to other countries, he also set up a scheme to override the election that he knows he lost, etc…”.  Why be nice at this point.  Blast shit like that all over the airwaves just like Fox News does.  The only difference is the stuff about Trump is the truth opposed to the right wing propaganda.  It may not work on everyone but I guarantee if you put ads out saying he sold our nuclear secrets and who knows what else just to get rich off of the American people and show some pictures of bad guys from other countries and then Trump in prison it will resonate with a lot of undecideds.  Scare them like the right does.   Shit, tell the world he is a pedophile.  Spreading lies seems to work for Fox News.  

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4 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

This is why the Dems should be running scary ads on TV right now that flat out say, “Donald Trump was caught selling our nuclear secrets to other countries, he also set up a scheme to override the election that he knows he lost, etc…”.  Why be nice at this point.  Blast shit like that all over the airwaves just like Fox News does.  The only difference is the stuff about Trump is the truth opposed to the right wing propaganda.  It may not work on everyone but I guarantee if you put ads out saying he sold our nuclear secrets and who knows what else just to get rich off of the American people and show some pictures of bad guys from other countries and then Trump in prison it will resonate with a lot of undecideds.  Scare them like the right does.   Shit, tell the world he is a pedophile.  Spreading lies seems to work for Fox News.  

"He said he's going to be a dictator.... He won't commit to not running for a third term... He said he would have started WW3 if he had been president..... He is friends with our enemies and enemies with our friends....."

There is just so much. 

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11 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

This is why the Dems should be running scary ads on TV right now that flat out say, “Donald Trump was caught selling our nuclear secrets to other countries, he also set up a scheme to override the election that he knows he lost, etc…”.  Why be nice at this point.  Blast shit like that all over the airwaves just like Fox News does.  The only difference is the stuff about Trump is the truth opposed to the right wing propaganda.  It may not work on everyone but I guarantee if you put ads out saying he sold our nuclear secrets and who knows what else just to get rich off of the American people and show some pictures of bad guys from other countries and then Trump in prison it will resonate with a lot of undecideds.  Scare them like the right does.   Shit, tell the world he is a pedophile.  Spreading lies seems to work for Fox News.  

Calling him a pedophile wouldn't even be a lie! 

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33 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

It may not work on everyone but I guarantee if you put ads out saying he sold our nuclear secrets and who knows what else

Plus, it would force Trump to respond, which is a bad look.  "I deny selling nuclear secrets to our enemies" isn't exactly solid platform material.

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Captainant: What do you call 100 dead lawyers?

Surly lawdogs: The indispensability of legal practitioners in contemporary jurisprudence is predicated upon the intricate complexity of statutory frameworks and the multifaceted nature of common law precedents. Attorneys, by virtue of their extensive legal education and professional licensure, serve as essential intermediaries in the interpretation, application, and advocacy of legal principles. The doctrine of procedural due process, enshrined within constitutional guarantees, implicitly necessitates the presence of legal counsel to ensure equitable adjudication and the preservation of fundamental rights. Moreover, the adversarial system, a cornerstone of modern legal practice, inherently presupposes the engagement of proficient advocates to advance the respective contentions of litigants. Hence, the professional existence of lawyers is inexorably intertwined with the very fabric of legal systems, safeguarding both the administration of justice and the rule of law.

Me:

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Plus, it would force Trump to respond, which is a bad look.  "I deny selling nuclear secrets to our enemies" isn't exactly solid platform material.

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6 hours ago, Hard Times said:

Maher now gone totally looney. Lock up Dotard and throw away the key.

 

maher has been irrelevant for a while. why anyone insists on trotting his nonsense out is beyond me, he's not a beacon for anything, just a contrarian asshole who says shit to rile people up. sounds familiar

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10 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

maher has been irrelevant for a while. why anyone insists on trotting his nonsense out is beyond me, he's not a beacon for anything, just a contrarian asshole who says shit to rile people up. sounds familiar

He said all along that the NY trial was trivial and he was right.

 

Posted
3 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Yes man, it is a defense. When someone is criticizing SCOTUS for acting quickly on one case to help Trump and delaying as long as they can on another case to help him (particularly when the one they acted quickly on was actually a question of first impression and the one they're delaying is not and was already addressed to any reasonable judge's complete satisfaction by the appellate court), pointing out distinctions between the cases (which will literally, 100% of the time, always exist) as an alternate explanation for their delay is defending them.

And I really don't know how to express how much I hate the "who cares? It's not like it would even matter" mindset. I'm pretty cynical about the American voting public, particularly undecided voters, but I do think there are millions of undecided voters who would decide for sure they won't vote for him if he were to be convicted of crimes related to January 6th or of stealing nuclear secrets. They're still undecided for hundreds of reasons, but particularly because they don't pay constant attention to politics and thus don't really know much detail about any of Trump's million scandals. They don't know what you know.  

The Republicans on SCOTUS know this. They know delaying their decision on immunity, and then punting back to the district court for specific determinations as to whether all of Trump's acts at issue were public or private acts, will delay the trial until after the election. They are very fucking clearly doing this because they do not want undecided voters to see him get convicted of Jan 6th shit or of stealing nuclear secrets before the fucking election! For you to brush this behavior off as insignificant reveals a deep disdain for American democracy, the same disdain they have.

I bet if the Jan 6 case judge revoked bail on “reasons” and dotard was put in the slammer, SCOTUS would make a ruling real fucking fast.

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1 hour ago, Steamboat1874 said:

And what difference did it actually make.

Well the polls everyone has taken as gospel (that have sucked for years) have showed consistent movement towards Biden since the conviction. So it has made a difference, but no one will know for sure until November. Bc polls don’t vote 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Steamboat1874 said:

And what difference did it actually make.

Trump will have to cancel his plans to take StationWagonOne into Canada for a quick vacation when he is reelected.  

 

 

Posted
2 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Trump will have to cancel his plans to take StationWagonOne into Canada for a quick vacation when he is reelected.  

Was that the model they tied Ivana Trump to during that rain storm?  

Posted
On 6/23/2024 at 1:30 PM, Steamboat1874 said:

He said all along that the NY trial was trivial and he was right.

 

At some point the justice system has to throw a bone to all of the schlubs who get prosecuted for lesser crimes. The entailed deserves to know what not being entitled feels like. 

Posted (edited)
4 hours ago, Captainant said:

https://www.salon.com/2024/06/24/took-secret-trip-to-mar-a-lago-just-weeks-before-an-fbi-raid-witnesses-say/

Gee whiz, it sure is a good thing we're letting Aileen run roughshod over the justice process and further delay a fucking slam dunk trial because she can legally jangle enough car keys to distract the lawyers with technicalities and process 

Many of our lawyer types don't seem to understand just how hard Trump mashed the fast-forward button on the Banana Republic remote.

Trump is the fascism cheat code. He normalized attacking, hamstringing and corrupting the legal system in a way that would have taken the fascists at least a decade to pull off. Trump has done that to every aspect of government and society and the damage is compounding. It is literally inconceivable how much damage Trump has done to destroy American society and government. 

That's why the fascists love him. That plus the cover to be a racist asshole. 

Jack Smith also underestimated just how far gone we are. He thought he was in a biased court, but he is in a Banana Republic one. 

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6 hours ago, Pods said:

Many of our lawyer types don't seem to understand just how hard Trump mashed the fast-forward button on the Banana Republic remote.

Trump is the fascism cheat code. He normalized attacking, hamstringing and corrupting the legal system in a way that would have taken the fascists at least a decade to pull off. Trump has done that to every aspect of government and society and the damage is compounding. It is literally inconceivable how much damage Trump has done to destroy American society and government. 

That's why the fascists love him. That plus the cover to be a racist asshole. 

Jack Smith also underestimated just how far gone we are. He thought he was in a biased court, but he is in a Banana Republic one. 

Yuuuuup. Cannon is being an outright trump advocate in her rulings and proceedings. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/judge-trump-classified-documents-case-reprimands-prosecutor-hearing-rcna158725

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'I don't appreciate your tone': Judge in Trump documents case reprimands prosecutor

Special counsel Jack Smith's team argued that Trump should be banned from making more inflammatory statements about FBI agents involved in the case.
 
 
June 24, 2024, 7:06 PM CDT

FORT PIERCE, Fla. — The judge presiding over Donald Trump’s classified documents case reprimanded a prosecutor from special counsel Jack Smith’s office at a hearing Monday on a proposed gag order for the former president.

“I don’t appreciate your tone,” U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon said when attorney David Harbach appeared to get exasperated as she questioned the need to modify Trump’s conditions of release. Smith’s office has challenged those conditions over Trump’s false claims that FBI agents were prepared to kill him while they were executing a 2022 search warrant at his Mar-a-Lago estate.

 

The tense exchange at a federal courthouse in Fort Pierce came as attorney Harbach was arguing that Cannon should bar Trump from making more inflammatory statements about FBI agents who worked on the investigation.

Cannon had noted that the agents’ names were redacted in court filings, while Harbach was pointing out the agents were doxxed shortly after the search. Cannon told Harbach that his behavior was unprofessional and warned she would require someone else to make his arguments if he did not correct his behavior.

Harbach later apologized. “I didn’t mean to be unprofessional,” he said.

Defense attorney Todd Blanche urged Cannon to deny the prosecution’s request, arguing that Trump’s comments cited by government attorneys were directed at President Joe Biden and not the FBI.

“If you look at the actual posts, there’s no threats to FBI agents,” Blanche said. “The attacks are against Joe Biden.”

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Blanche told the judge Monday that if she agreed to modify the terms of Trump’s release to bar him from making similar statements in the future, Trump could be arrested if he violated the order during Thursday’s presidential debate. Blanche also contended the proposed restrictions are so vague that they are “incredibly chilling.”

Harbach urged Cannon to act now and not “wait for tragedy to strike.”

Cannon suggested she was skeptical of Harbach’s argument that Trump’s comments can be followed by violence from his supporters, saying some “actual connection between A & B” was still needed.

It's the same walk up to the line and stick your foot over, but never put it down, type of behavior we see with right wing shitheads everywhere. And then by the time they do step over the that line, it won't matter anymore because of some other confounding or distracting matter. 

It's such an effective implementation of a firehose of falsehoods, and there's not a goddamn thing our legal system can do about it. 

Posted
8 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Yuuuuup. Cannon is being an outright trump advocate in her rulings and proceedings. 

 

Of course, her go-to is "tone"

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8 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Yuuuuup. Cannon is being an outright trump advocate in her rulings and proceedings. 

 

Of course, her go-to is "tone"

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On 6/23/2024 at 9:51 AM, Huckleberry said:

Y'all may think that your inability to see what was plainly obvious with Cannon reflects well on your ability to patiently practice and analyze law, but in reality all it does is reflect poorly on your ability to see what is right in front of your face here in the real world. 

What lawdogs do, generally speaking, is look at a situation and consider the explanations for the situation.

Because under the adversarial system, there are inevitably at least two sides to every situation, there generally are at least two plausible explanations for that situation.  Which one is "true" is unknowable, as a general proposition.

Some of those explanations may be more plausible than others, especially to a layperson.  But mistaking plausibility for certainty can be a grave error.  And when the situation is one that lay people don't often encounter, that's an even bigger mistake.  You are quite certain of what is happening or what has happened, but you don't actually know.  And neither do I, but I don't express any certainty.

Delay is incredibly common in legal proceedings, especially so when one party has a motivation to pursue it, which is generally the case for a criminal defendant.

Make it a case where a defendant is motivated and has some unique opportunities to present dilatory motions, and that goes double or triple.  It takes a firm, which usually means experienced and thus confident, trial judge to cut through the bullshit and actually manage the docket.  Cannon is not that, whatever else she is.  There is quite a bit of empirical evidence that she is indecisive and easily distracted by irrelevant issues in cases not involving Donald J. Trump. 

This is pretty common among rookie, marginally qualified judges, and quite a few pretty experienced ones.  In this day and age, with settlement and plea bargain resolving 90+% of all litigation, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find experienced trial lawyers to take judgeships, especially when political qualifications are part of the calculus if not the predominant factor.

If this had been assigned to any other judge with fewer than five years experience on the bench, and a whopping four jury trials under his/her belt as a lawyer, none as first chair, you could expect pretty similar results to what we're seeing here.  Add in the fact that most of the judge's litigation experience is appellate work, the nature of which is to give undue consideration to esoteric legal issues on a relaxed schedule, and it just makes it that much worse.

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32 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

You are quite certain of what is happening or what has happened, but you don't actually know.  And neither do I, but I don't express any certainty.

Of course you are uncertain as to if aileen is in the tank for trump. Heaven perish the thought of anyone in the judiciary not being objective!

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She's definitely corrupt based on how she's doing things and what she's writing and saying. The only "law dog" point I've made here is that delay, in and of itself, is not a sign of corruption. Even a moderately wealthy defendant can delay criminal proceedings for years with motions and appeals etc. She's giving herself away though with her actions. 

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10 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Of course you are uncertain as to if aileen is in the tank for trump. Heaven perish the thought of anyone in the judiciary not being objective!

Regardless of bias, he's spot on in his assessment.  She exhibits classic "baby judge" tendencies, which contributes to the delay through an inability to be decisive and a reliance on unnecessary briefing and protracted hearings on red-herring issues that could be disposed of efficiently on submission by a more experienced jurist.  Bias will be most evident in untenable rulings in Trump's failure which ultimately are dispatched by the appellate court.  But any bias combined with inexperience is similar in effect to opioids on the digestive tract of the judicial process.

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Man, when I'm out of my depth in something, I ask for help or for someone to take over for me so I can learn by observation. Yeah it's kind of embarrassing, but making a medical error is a big deal, so I try to err on the side of caution. 

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10 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Man, when I'm out of my depth in something, I ask for help or for someone to take over for me so I can learn by observation. Yeah it's kind of embarrassing, but making a medical error is a big deal, so I try to err on the side of caution. 

This is the problem with appointing ideologues to positions of power regardless of experience.  Elections have consequences.  The contrast between Cannon and Merchan could not be more stark.

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5 minutes ago, dcbc said:

This is the problem with appointing ideologues to positions of power regardless of experience.  Elections have consequences.  The contrast between Cannon and Merchan could not be more stark.

And Engoron for that matter. I think Merchan did a better job at appearing fair, though, or hiding his contempt for Trump and his counsel and their arguments. 

I see today that Cannon got pissy with the government over the gag order. One difference there is that the government sought to modify his bail conditions to include the gag order, which is somewhat understandable given Trumps contempt for the other ones. But it's also highly unusual. 

By and large, the government is playing the case pretty straight, but I am gathering data points here and there that Jay Bratt is pretty much a giant prick and that may cost them. 

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