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4 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

RFK Jr doing his damnedest to supplant guns as the number one cause of childhood death.

should just combine all the categories and say the #1 cause of childhood death is republicanism 

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3 hours ago, tokamak said:

I can't get over that this is the most powerful person on Earth. It's totally incoherent. It doesn't make one lick of sense. How does anyone ever read this crap and not immediately say, "you know what, we need to demand better from our leaders"?

Honestly, I’d say a solid majority of adult Americans cannot produce a short coherent and structured written statement about a given issue or topic. It gets lost on boards full of college graduates and if you work in a professional space. 
 

Part of Trump’s charm to many people is that he communicates like them: jumbled, confused, unable to transmit much beyond a mood.

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3 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Honestly, I’d say a solid majority of adult Americans cannot produce a short coherent and structured written statement about a given issue or topic. It gets lost on boards full of college graduates and if you work in a professional space. 
 

Part of Trump’s charm to many people is that he communicates like them: jumbled, confused, unable to transmit much beyond a mood.

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12 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Honestly, I’d say a solid majority of adult Americans cannot produce a short coherent and structured written statement about a given issue or topic. It gets lost on boards full of college graduates and if you work in a professional space. 
 

Part of Trump’s charm to many people is that he communicates like them: jumbled, confused, unable to transmit much beyond a mood.

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shows what you know!

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14 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Honestly, I’d say a solid majority of adult Americans cannot produce a short coherent and structured written statement about a given issue or topic. It gets lost on boards full of college graduates and if you work in a professional space. 
 

Part of Trump’s charm to many people is that he communicates like them: jumbled, confused, unable to transmit much beyond a mood.

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21 hours ago, Ghost of NMAS said:

Just when you thought they couldn’t get any stupider

 

why would I ever think that? Whatever the "line" is, I'll be placing my wager on more stupider. every fucking time. 

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36 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

We got here because of morons and disinformation and horse paste, not because of much the CDC really did wrong.

There is not a single goddamn thing that Anthony Fauci or anyone else at FDA/CDC did in your wildest, wettest fever dream that justifies puttting Robert Fucking Kennedy Junior in charge of the public health apparatus of the United States of America.

Adding on to this, there were mask mandates, shutdowns, and maybe over-recommendation of vaccines that, in the full light of hindsight, might have been overkill and unnecessary.  But these were done not out of ignorance or willful stupidity, but an overabundance of caution when confronting a pandemic that infected 800 million worldwide and killed 7 million people, including more than a million in the US alone.

These horrible inflictions on our civil rights were entirely justified under the circumstances.  It's not like habeas corpus was suspended or anything.

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

the grim reality is that we are far beyond the point of no return when it comes to using facts, stats, and truthful information like this to change anyone’s mind about anything. the identity politics has won out in such a landslide that information like this not only gets consumed exclusively by the people who already know this stuff and agree with it, but even if you were to force magats to watch this shit they would either not believe it or just not care. woke white lady using words above a fourth grade level = bad. that’s all they know, and all they will ever know. i’m not sure i’ll ever come to grips with how surreal it all is.

I don’t remember who coined the phrase but MAHA, RFK, Trump, and MAGA are all just the wrong answer to the right questions. War, the economy, trade, health, justice, and climate. Literally every position they take is bad, wrong, and dangerous.

When libs equivocate or try to provide context, Trump and his MAGA authoritarian right just give you an answer based in conjecture, lies, racism, hate, superstition, and greed. They say it convincingly. And because half the population is dumb, greedy, racist, superstitious …. I mean religious, and hateful OR just lazy, ignorant, overworked, on the dole, or poor, it works. 
Simple answers for simple people with complex problems that take sophisticated solutions but who lack the seriousness to solve them

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12 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

I don’t remember who coined the phrase but MAHA, RFK, Trump, and MAGA are all just the wrong answer to the right questions. War, the economy, trade, health, justice, and climate. Literally every position they take is bad, wrong, and dangerous.

When libs equivocate or try to provide context, Trump and his MAGA authoritarian right just give you an answer based in conjecture, lies, racism, hate, superstition, and greed. They say it convincingly. And because half the population is dumb, greedy, racist, superstitious …. I mean religious, and hateful OR just lazy, ignorant, overworked, on the dole, or poor, it works. 
Simple answers for simple people with complex problems that take sophisticated solutions but who lack the seriousness to solve them

So true.

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15 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Adding on to this, there were mask mandates, shutdowns, and maybe over-recommendation of vaccines that, in the full light of hindsight, might have been overkill and unnecessary.  But these were done not out of ignorance or willful stupidity, but an overabundance of caution when confronting a pandemic that infected 800 million worldwide and killed 7 million people, including more than a million in the US alone.

These horrible inflictions on our civil rights were entirely justified under the circumstances.  It's not like habeas corpus was suspended or anything.

This.  It's not just Occam's razor (people in charge were faced with a novel, deadly virus spreading in pandemic fashion, and cobbled together the best path they could on the fly, as they were dealing with huge buckets of knowns (overwhelmed medical system, high body counts) and huge buckets of unknowns (too many to count)).  They took approaches that included a significant element of caution.  In RETROSPECT, now that we have more info and better data, they got somethings right and some things wrong.

I know this because I was literally "in the room" as decision-makers (at lower levels -- think local governments and such) were grappling with what to do, how to do it, where to find the resources to do it, etc.  These were just ordinary human beings, wrestling with an incredible responsibility, facing horrific outcomes (yeah, some of the conversations were absolutely about where do we store all these bodies, shit, where can we even park the trailers we're using to store all these bodies?  Bodies that included their friends and neighbors, BTW).  There was no sinister conspiracy hatched in a mountain lair.  Just human beings, doing their imperfect best to handle an unprecedented crisis.  That, yes, killed literally millions of people, so it was sure as shit a real thing.

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Selfishly I'm a bit more relieved this morning.
 

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The democratic governors of Oregon, Washington and California are forming a new public health partnership aimed at preserving access to vaccines.

The partnership, called the Western Health Alliance, will develop its own immunization guidelines “informed by respected national medical organizations,” according to a press release Wednesday from Oregon Gov. Tina Kotek, Washington Gov. Bob Ferguson and California Gov. Gavin Newsom. 
 

“The CDC has become a political tool that increasingly peddles ideology instead of science, ideology that will lead to severe health consequences. California, Oregon, and Washington will not allow the people of our states to be put at risk,” the governors said in a joint prepared statement.

Their announcement comes after a week of chaos at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

 


https://www.opb.org/article/2025/09/03/vaccines-oregon-washington-california-cdc/

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3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  It's not just Occam's razor (people in charge were faced with a novel, deadly virus spreading in pandemic fashion, and cobbled together the best path they could on the fly, as they were dealing with huge buckets of knowns (overwhelmed medical system, high body counts) and huge buckets of unknowns (too many to count)).  They took approaches that included a significant element of caution.  In RETROSPECT, now that we have more info and better data, they got somethings right and some things wrong.

I know this because I was literally "in the room" as decision-makers (at lower levels -- think local governments and such) were grappling with what to do, how to do it, where to find the resources to do it, etc.  These were just ordinary human beings, wrestling with an incredible responsibility, facing horrific outcomes (yeah, some of the conversations were absolutely about where do we store all these bodies, shit, where can we even park the trailers we're using to store all these bodies?  Bodies that included their friends and neighbors, BTW).  There was no sinister conspiracy hatched in a mountain lair.  Just human beings, doing their imperfect best to handle an unprecedented crisis.  That, yes, killed literally millions of people, so it was sure as shit a real thing.

But Fauci should be in JAIL!

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17 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

I don’t remember who coined the phrase but MAHA, RFK, Trump, and MAGA are all just the wrong answer to the right questions. War, the economy, trade, health, justice, and climate. Literally every position they take is bad, wrong, and dangerous.

When libs equivocate or try to provide context, Trump and his MAGA authoritarian right just give you an answer based in conjecture, lies, racism, hate, superstition, and greed. They say it convincingly. And because half the population is dumb, greedy, racist, superstitious …. I mean religious, and hateful OR just lazy, ignorant, overworked, on the dole, or poor, it works. 
Simple answers for simple people with complex problems that take sophisticated solutions but who lack the seriousness to solve them

That's really it.  There's a tiny nugget of truth in just about everything MAGA fucks up.

It's always the wrong answer to the right question.

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4 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Florida moves to end all vaccine mandates in schools. Coming soon to every other red state, I assume.

Times like this I am glad our idiotic Legislature only meets once every two years. Come to you in the year 2027!

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27 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Times like this I am glad our idiotic Legislature only meets once every two years. Come to you in the year 2027!

Uh, Abbott is probably calling a special session any minute.

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1 hour ago, tokamak said:

Florida moves to end all vaccine mandates in schools. Coming soon to every other red state, I assume.

This is truly incredible. It's like there's mass hysteria that exclusively afflicts MAGAts. 

FAFO, Florida. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

This is truly incredible. It's like there's mass hysteria that exclusively afflicts MAGAts. 

FAFO, Florida. 

 

Hmm. Like maybe a media apparatus that specifically targets them with misinformation and lies that they utilize as their only source of information?  Perhaps controlled by a foreign billionaire?  Can’t quite put my finger on it. Some sort of canine name. Coyote?  Wolf?  Something like that. 

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1 hour ago, tokamak said:

Florida moves to end all vaccine mandates in schools. Coming soon to every other red state, I assume.


Oklahoma will be all in on this.

75% of the time I go visit my family in oklahoma, I come back with some sickness. It’s a gross state. A petri dish of stupidity.

 

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29 minutes ago, GenXer said:


Oklahoma will be all in on this.

75% of the time I go visit my family in oklahoma, I come back with some sickness. It’s a gross state. A petri dish of stupidity.

 

I saw the chief medical biscuit on TV comparing vaccines to slavery. What’s happened to us?

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1 minute ago, Ghost of NMAS said:

Abbott will probably try to one up Florida and call a special session to make vaccines illegal

And criminal penalties if you take your kid across state lines to get a vaccine

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9 minutes ago, tx ind said:

And criminal penalties if you take your kid across state lines to get a vaccine

Bingo.

Because ALL of these people have been about "medical care is a personal choice!  Parental rights!".....are 100% okay with taking options and medical care AWAY from people, including parents.  Because the important thing is that they have power and control.  That's all that actually matters.  It is not and never was about medical care, any of that shit.  It's about power and control.  Their power and control.  Over you.

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I saw the chief medical biscuit on TV comparing vaccines to slavery. What’s happened to us?

The stoopids were voted in. They ain’t leaving without force.
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3 hours ago, tokamak said:

Florida moves to end all vaccine mandates in schools. Coming soon to every other red state, I assume.

 

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3 hours ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

It’s unfortunate that viruses don’t respect state borders. While I applaud the initiative, if we keep marching in the current direction, it ultimately won’t do much to stop the spread of diseases that we considered to be eradicated.

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2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Hmm. Like maybe a media apparatus that specifically targets them with misinformation and lies that they utilize as their only source of information?  Perhaps controlled by a foreign billionaire?  Can’t quite put my finger on it. Some sort of canine name. Coyote?  Wolf?  Something like that. 

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2 hours ago, GenXer said:


Oklahoma will be all in on this.

75% of the time I go visit my family in oklahoma, I come back with some sickness. It’s a gross state. A petri dish of stupidity.

 

Unfortunately, this is pretty much spot on. Moved back not too long ago for family reasons. From Florida of all places. Currently work in government. Lots of stupidity.

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1 hour ago, royiv said:

It’s unfortunate that viruses don’t respect state borders. While I applaud the initiative, if we keep marching in the current direction, it ultimately won’t do much to stop the spread of diseases that we considered to be eradicated.

Yes, but there would still be more protection overall in a vaccinated versus unvaccinated set of states, correct? Lots of travel between these three states as well.  Just having the availability locally would mean a lot to many of us.  I am of course angry and saddened that it even comes to this.  But in an age of "they're doing nothing to fight them" it is nice to see some fight.  Will the insurance companies refuse to pay for those that fall under the new CDC guidelines is another matter.  Perhaps something gets worked out.  

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Times like this I am glad our idiotic Legislature only meets once every two years. Come to you in the year 2027!

Texas schools basically have no vaccine mandates already.
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Posted
3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Making Leprosy Colonies Great Again. 

Another Trump branded resort opportunity?

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On 9/2/2025 at 10:48 AM, Laguna said:

You think? 
 

What a tone deaf, waste of time. 
 

If you rightfully belief that RFK is unqualified and a potential danger to public health then you will have a hard time convincing others if you don’t at least acknowledge how we got here. 
 

“The C.D.C. is not perfect.” 

That sentence does a ton of heavy lifting and is the only nod to anything in the piece.

I know it will be very difficult to convince some people, but even if you can’t, an actual breakdown of the imperfections and apology/explanation would help by giving cover to those who support these institutions to address it as well. I know people hate admitting mistakes nowadays but that’s key to course correcting imo. 

 

I mean I acknowledge the pandemic had a lot to do with advancing vaccine skepticism. But I don't really get what the CDC has to do with that specifically. The United States is not the only country in the world. There were lots of other similar institutions around the word and while other countries did it better, like Sweden I think, others went much farther. I don't think by the standards of their peers the CDC was that unreasonable or extreme. But sure I haven't played Monday morning QB with every single thing the CDC did because, frankly, I had doctor friends and I did things almost entirely on their advice. I generally only have contempt for the US media so I couldn't even really trust them to reliably give me accurate information of whatever it was the CDC was even recommending.

But the CDC and its sister institutions around the world do have a century or more of remarkable success saving millions, if not tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of lives. That track record should mean something yes? We are really going to burn it all to the ground because they may, or may have not, gotten a few things wrong during Covid? A disease that rapidly spread that they initially knew relatively little about? When they were not even that much of an outlier among their peer institutions?

Is that tone deaf? Am I really supposed to let measles and other deadly diseases come roaring back to life to kill children just because of something that may or may not have been a bad mistake a few years ago?

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On 9/1/2025 at 10:16 AM, 956 Worldwide said:

lol at this statement. “I don’t know what the hell is going on and it’s all someone else’s fault.” 

 

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If only there were some sort of publications, where scientists could show the "numbers and results" of their various experiments and research. You could even have different publications for different kinds of research. Each publication should have a team or a committee that read each article before it was published to make sure it met some basic standards of scientific method. And then anybody who wanted to get those "numbers and results" could just read the appropriate article in the appropriate publication. 

Ahh, well, maybe in another timeline.

 

 

 

 

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