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54 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I've heard some people find like licensed home daycare options for a mom who will turn who house into a daycare and have 5-6 kids there. Except my first instinct is "That woman must be insane. No thanks."

Yeah we looked at those and I reference their pricing as well in the post. The thing with those places is if the home daycare lady is sick or goes on vacation then you're kind of fucked for care that week or few days. Where as at an actual facility with staff they have others who could fill in and your child can have care.

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6 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Paxton has been suing cities/counties in Texas who are trying to increase their voter turnout - just this week he sued Bexar County.

And Paxton and Hot Wheels want full control over Harris County elections and have moved in that direction, and made it publicly clear.  

you just know they have a legal team trying to find a loophole to take over Harris County like they did with HISD. Perhaps add a new law that only applies to counties with more than 4m people.

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5 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

you just know they have a legal team trying to find a loophole to take over Harris County like they did with HISD. Perhaps add a new law that only applies to counties with more than 4m people.

Bingo.  That is all coming.  It's a full-on partisan war to tilt elections/disenfranchise entire areas that might vote Dem.  They have OPENLY FUCKING STATED THAT IS THEIR INTENT.

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10 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Flying Sci-Fi GIF by Feliks Tomasz Konczakowski

There's nothing to believe, They've actively taken over elections in Harris County. That's a fact. The question is if it's out of any real fear or just general power consolidation. I lean towards the latter. 

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Posted
11 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'd like to know where that kid hid his gun before blowing away 4 innocent people and injuring 9 others.  We know he was in class, got up, and left.  Did he hide the gun in the school?  What "security" measures would have prevented that?  Are they going to TSA-search every student upon entry?  Really?  Has Vance ever been anywhere near a middle school or high school when first bell is about to ring?

Easy fix

Metal detectors going into every school building classroom.

Posted
1 minute ago, quigley said:

Easy fix

Metal detectors going into every school building classroom.

MAGA gun idiots. “No. Just arm every kid as they walk thru the door.” 
 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Yet when I checked in on my spam catching email account, there was an email from the Harris campaign saying they needed more money or else difficult decisions would have to be made on where to direct their efforts.

Really?

Presidential candidates get plenty of $.

Donate down ballot -- senate, house, state congressional/judicial elections.

Your $100 bucks to a state senate candidate may get you a phone call thanking you directly (not necessarily an incentive to donating).

 

Posted
1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Yeah, no shit.  The absurdity was mind bottling.

There was another email showing the results of the latest Silver hack job bemoaning that Harris is a huge underdog so of course needs more money.  I realize those emails come from unmonitored accounts, but I replied with a simple "Nate Silver is dumbass."

Silver's ridiculous Covid takes should have cancelled him.

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Posted
48 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Texas is a lost cause.  This state is a beacon for shitty humans and they're moving here in droves. 

We have to keep trying. Texas is way too big of a prize to give up on.

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Posted (edited)
14 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

 

Unsupported narrative building. They missed his support even worse in 2020. 
 

https://aapor.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/AAPOR-Task-Force-on-2020-Pre-Election-Polling_Report-FNL.pdf

My god dude, we fucking GET IT

Covid and non-response biases made 2020 very hard to poll. Not to mention NYT/Siena coming out and admitting they didn’t include someone who indicated they were voting for Trump and hung up the phone without finishing the survey.

At this point, if you voted in 2016/2020 is part of screening likely voters. Unless you truly believe Trump is somehow going to add MORE voters that didn’t show up the last 2 times, the screen should be capturing all of those voters who only show up for Trump. Outfits like Trafalgar and Emerson added several points to Trump’s total to balance that, others did not. (ps, NYT/Siena said they are counting those this year)

It’s truly hard to see how Trump is going to ADD millions of more voters, when young voters, especially young black women, are registering in huge numbers for the first time. 2020 turnout was crazy high due to Covid. 

 

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51 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Texas is a lost cause.  This state is a beacon for shitty humans and they're moving here in droves. 

 

46 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

And yet Paxton and Hot Wheels are scared shitless of the big cities turning out the vote.

 

Texas is one Ben Wikler (WI) or Stacy Abrams away from been a toss up.

Tyrants feed off exhaustion.

Fight the power. Put up your own sign / bumper sticker / donate / phone bank.

Do something.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

My god dude, we fucking GET IT

Covid and non-response biases made 2020 very hard to poll. Not to mention NYT/Siena coming out and admitting they didn’t include someone who indicated they were voting for Trump and hung up the phone without finishing the survey.

At this point, if you voted in 2016/2020 is part of screening likely voters. Unless you truly believe Trump is somehow going to add MORE voters that didn’t show up the last 2 times, the screen should be capturing all of those voters who only show up for Trump

Its truly hard to see how Trump is going to ADD millions of more voters, when young voters, especially young black women, are registering in huge numbers for the first time 

 

They obviously didn't get it.  That's why I posted it.  And you always point to 2020 being aberrant because of COVID, which I appreciate as a fact that doesn't rely on that narrative, because the narrative is not true.  

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32 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

you just know they have a legal team trying to find a loophole to take over Harris County like they did with HISD. Perhaps add a new law that only applies to counties with more than 4m people.

27 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Bingo.  That is all coming.  It's a full-on partisan war to tilt elections/disenfranchise entire areas that might vote Dem.  They have OPENLY FUCKING STATED THAT IS THEIR INTENT.

I'm impressed that San Antonio is willing to tangle with Paxton/How Wheels given that they can see what's happening with Houston/Harris County.  They are trying hard to register new voters in spite of Paxton.

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Posted
10 hours ago, BamaATL said:

I agree, however we will still have soulless ghouls like Mitch McConnell running around, so we will still have to combat him and people of his ilk.  This isn't a one off battle, it's going to be a long fight if we want real change.  (Though I will say, the day McConnell turns room temperature, I'm not lowering my flag to half mast, I'm going to double the flag pole size and fly Old Glory as high as I can).  

 

9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Think Tim Robinson GIF by NETFLIX

Running, Grand Mal-ing -- whatever it takes

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Posted (edited)
17 minutes ago, Js1 said:

 

 

 

I don't know about the rest of the country, but out here nurses and firefighters make a shitload of money.  They don't belong in the same mention as teachers.

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Posted
49 minutes ago, quigley said:

 

Texas is one Ben Wikler (WI) or Stacy Abrams away from been a toss up.

Tyrants feed off exhaustion.

Fight the power. Put up your own sign / bumper sticker / donate / phone bank.

Do something.

That should have been Beto. But he threw it away with a vanity run for POTUS. Dumbass 

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Posted
23 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

6 years of education implies a master's degree.  Is there any state in which one must even have a bachelor's degree to work in daycare?

I'd bet very few states, if any, require more than a high school (or equivalent) degree plus maybe CPR certification. 

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1 minute ago, Gil Bang said:

I don't know about the rest of the country, but out here nurses and firefighters make a shitload of money.  They don't belong in the same mention as teachers.

They don’t but I am fine with them getting a tax break. They do one of the most dangerous jobs in the world and, unlike cops, don’t murder people with impunity 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

I don't know about the rest of the country, but out here nurses and firefighters make a shitload of money.  They don't belong in the same mention as teachers.

In houston they average about 60k a year. 

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2 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

I don't know about the rest of the country, but out here nurses and firefighters make a shitload of money.  They don't belong in the same mention as teachers.

Not here. The biggest draw to being a firefighter here is the schedule.

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Posted
1 minute ago, SquishMitten said:

I'd bet very few states, if any, require more than a high school (or equivalent) degree plus maybe CPR certification. 

That's my take.  My wife has "taught" the youngest preschoolers for 25 years -- typically 2 and 3 year olds.  She has a degree from UT, but plenty of her peers don't have anything more than an associate's degree, if that.

And yes, they do continuing education (including CPR) every year.

Posted
9 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

What’s the deal with the unsupported narrative?  <ducks>

<Nate Silver>These people are statistically insignificant, so I excluded them from Peter's my analysis.</Nate Silver>

Posted
4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

their union and benefits are pretty damn good though

Eh. They had to sue the city and the last Mayor to get THAT pay raise, and it was their first in ages. I assume the benefits are great, and I assume they also have a pretty good pension, but the fact is that 60k in Houston is going to be pretty tough to live on, honestly. And Houston was losing firefighters they'd trained to smaller areas around Houston as recently as the last few years. They're not spitting distance from Teachers here at all. 

 

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Even when the Joe Biden of the last year or so misspoke, you knew what he was trying to say. Yeah he had trouble finishing sentences sometimes, but he still didn't spew nonsense like that. 

And the response to "We beat medicare" at the debate was "holy shit we have to get this guy off the ticket", not applause followed by silence.

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Posted
22 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

I don't know about the rest of the country, but out here nurses and firefighters make a shitload of money.  They don't belong in the same mention as teachers.

She has to include them for rhetorical purposes because our nation clearly doesn't give a shit about teacher compensation. 

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Posted
25 minutes ago, Js1 said:

That should have been Beto. But he threw it away with a vanity run for POTUS. Dumbass 

The dude ain't dead.

Stacy Abrams worked under the radar for almost a decade getting people registered. Wikler and Co lost a bunch before they won.

Somebody else can also pick up the baton.

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Posted
17 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

Curious as to what the republican talking point is re: tariffs and how they aren't anything more than a tax on Americans. It's obviously not a vehicle to change the amount of money spent by us as a whole. What was that dude trying to say about how it works with some countries? I understand there are benefits in certain industries to allow American producers to compete on a level playing field (that's irrelevant to the issue being discussed), but do they actually have some sort of nonsensical argument as to how increased tariffs will translate to better childcare options?

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Need to replicate this engagement level at Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, Temple, Pitt, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Arizona, Arizona State, UNC, Duke, UNLV, etc.

 

 

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Posted
2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

My wife and I do ok, but I have no idea how a family with an income of less than 100k affords childcare. Because as you said, the places that were $800 a month were literally like a run-down house next to a tire shop and we were not super comfortable there. I've heard some people find like licensed home daycare options for a mom who will turn who house into a daycare and have 5-6 kids there. Except my first instinct is "That woman must be insane. No thanks."

There's a huge "underground" of unlicensed day cares run out of apartments and private homes, often paid by the day in cash.  The parents often aren't very comfortable leaving their kids in those places and often do not have a better option. 

Look- there's a core of economic reality to JD Vance's weird, misguided musings about women working outside the home.  I used to post on it a lot, going back to the Obama era when GOPers like Clear Lake and others would whine about "real unemployment" and the Labor Participation Rate.
The advent of the dual income family and expansion of the LPR has not been an unalloyed good, as household incomes have stagnated and workers received a smaller share of the additional productivity they generated, while their costs went up. It is quite common for the lower income parent to be well beneath the minimum wage, net of the hard costs of employment - ie child care, transportation, additional prepared foods, etc. 

 

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Posted
14 hours ago, TexEx15 said:

Honestly what is there left to see? This shouldn’t be close.

Gotdamnit that makes my blood boil. The worst part about it, well, not the worst part ... the worst part is him saying we just have to accept it as a part of life ... but the second worst part is that he's so close to saying what a majority of the country would be in favor of re: gun control.

We aren't ever going to take ALL guns away from everybody. It just ain't gonna happen, at least not in the foreseeable future, and its not even something I personally support. But he says "if you're a psycho and you want to make headlines..." Hey, dipshit, that's what a lot of us are begging for! Make it impossible for "psychos" to get guns! Have far stricter requirements for who can get a gun. Make sure people that develop mental illnesses have their guns taken away until they are mentally stable again. Invest in mental health to prevent people from going down that path, and help them get out of it when they do. That's not enough in my opinion, but it's a huge first step. A step that the majority of Americans are in support of. And we'll never get to the second, third, fourth, etc steps without taking the first one.

And then he admits that he doesn't want his kids to have to go to school feeling like they need tons of additional security. Great! Let's focus on things further upstream in the pipeline that are both a) more effective, and b) much less expensive. Fuck! Fuck these monsters! 

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Posted
1 hour ago, quigley said:

 

Texas is one Ben Wikler (WI) or Stacy Abrams away from been a toss up.

Tyrants feed off exhaustion.

Fight the power. Put up your own sign / bumper sticker / donate / phone bank.

Do something.

no doubt. Great post. 

Posted
4 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

While this is good for our current circumstance, I guess, how fucked up is it that we are raising the most money for campaigns (both sides) in history and 90% of voters have been decided for years?  Will we ever have another discussion about campaign finance reform or is this just how we are now?

 

4 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Like everything else, there are diminishing returns for political spending past some point. We’re probably well past that point.

Counterpoint: The fact that 90% of people already have their preference is irrelevant. Ensuring that your people stay engaged and actually show up to vote is what really matters. And with the way things have been in recent elections, grabbing a few of those "undecided" 10% can be all the difference, especially in down-ballot races, which is one reason why it was so great to see the Harris campaign giving a huge chunk of their money to be used for those races. 

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She's always mentioning the middle class and the rich, but what about raising taxes on the impoverished?  They don't have a lot of political clout. 

Yeah, tariffs. Tariffs, like sales tax, are regressive taxes which land disproportionately on the impoverished.
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Posted
18 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Welp the first ballots of the election were supposed to go out today and they did NOT thanks to mr. brain worms.

This country needs to get election litigation under control.  First off, our elections are already too long, and we get delayed results due to legal challenges.  Secondly, every state has different ballot requirements, which invites legal challenges. And third, JUST GET ON WITH IT

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