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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

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Last time I had the flu was worse than Covid.  But I'm vaxxed for Covid and wasn't for the flu.

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9 hours ago, tbone_ said:


Troy Smith has a Heisman and Vince Young doesn’t. The world has been fucked for a long time.

Plus Kris got 1,000x more out of his 88 years than the orange cunt has in his abomination of a life.

Yeah but Troy Smith has PTSD from that Fiesta Bowl

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9 hours ago, HornPhD said:

I did my own research!

- Some dead trump supporter 

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I’m not brave enough to predict a Kamala blowout. But if it does occur, there will have been plenty of signs it was coming in hindsight.

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6 hours ago, Xminus6 said:

I thought one of the major reasons to support legalization is that it would get legally reclassified so that actual medical research can be done on it.

The major reason to support legalization is because it’s an easy way for police to lock up Black and Brown people for something that is fucking harmless. 

Fabrizio is Trump's pollster

We are so back

56 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Fabrizio is Trump's pollster

We are so back

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Interesting article about female Gen Xers having outsized support of Trump.

 

https://wapo.st/3ZGWAI0

 

Premise is shaky, but it is this:

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In an August poll of registered voters, sponsored by The Washington Post, ABC News and Ipsos, 51 percent of female voters preferred Harris, compared with 44 percent for Trump. Broken down by generation, Gen Z favored Harris over Trump 60 to 30; millennials favored her 61 to 35. (Some respondents said they supported neither candidate.) Boomers’ and older women’s support of Harris was roughly equal to their support of Trump (48 percent for Harris and 47 percent for Trump), which makes some sense if you believe that voters get more conservative as they age.

 

But the numbers from Gen X, a cohort younger than boomers, were the opposite. Only 41 percent of Gen X women (born 1965-1980) said they supported Harris, compared with 54 percent who said they supported Trump.

 

(Author acknowledges premise is shaky later in the article.  Maybe that poll cited is just wrong).

She goes and contacts some of the people polled who said they're open to discussing.  Reasons include the retarded:

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One woman mentioned that she’s grateful that Trump had given up his own money to the American public during the pandemic. It was only after getting off the phone that I realized she was probably referring to the stimulus checks that had borne Trump’s name — even though the money didn’t come from his personal account, but from the government.

Not really any conclusion drawn except that this is a generation of scared people.

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When I asked that question, one woman grew emotional as she described going to the food bank for her groceries in recent years — years that happened to coincide with the Biden administration — because her cost of living had increased too much for the supermarket. Some of her friends were considering getting roommates, after years of living independently.

 
 

That wouldn’t have been a big deal if they were all in their 20s, when being poor is a rite of passage, the woman said. But it feels humiliating in their 50s. She said they didn’t feel as if they could vote with the forward-looking idealism of younger generations or the backward-looking benevolence of the boomers. She talked about what it means to be a woman approaching 60, middle age in the rearview, scared and broke and wanting to shop at a grocery store again.

 

Tonight Walz needs to explicitly state that JD is the driving force behind MAGA and the campaign. Several times. Trump will be seething if anyone even implied the campaign wasn't solely about him.

I believe Trump would put JD on the sidelines if Walz made this comment.

On 9/29/2024 at 6:11 PM, cactusflinthead said:

 

I'm sure all of those remarks and his befuddled delivery of them were thoroughly discussed on CNN and the network news.

  • Unleash police officers for (more) brutality.
  • He cheated workers.
  • He continues to lie about the past election.
  • He is rabble-rousing about that lie to discredit the coming election.
  • He can't stay on point for more than a few phrases and can't even generate a compound sentence.

America is so polarized now. Both sides are basically the same, they're just polarized and bickering all the time.

Real jounalists must be throwing up.

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We have journalists? Sure feels more like we have a bunch of sales people pretending to be journalists and newspeople by peddling fear and horse races for profit in slave to their corporate overlord bosses 

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25 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Tonight Walz needs to explicitly state that JD is the driving force behind MAGA and the campaign.

But he has to use terms like Walz is the "idea guy". He's the "smart one of the two".  He's the likely President given Trump's "age, his confusion at his rally's and his obvious poor health."

5 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Interesting article about female Gen Xers having outsized support of Trump.

 

https://wapo.st/3ZGWAI0

 

Premise is shaky, but it is this:

 

(Author acknowledges premise is shaky later in the article.  Maybe that poll cited is just wrong).

She goes and contacts some of the people polled who said they're open to discussing.  Reasons include the retarded:

Not really any conclusion drawn except that this is a generation of scared people.

 

I'm in the middle of the GenX age range and it wouldn't surprise me that GenXers are on the Trump side. Many are scared of the future and retirement is rapidly approaching. When you have uncertainties of your economic future, it's easy to fall prey to lies that today and the future will be financially worse under Harris.

Social media has proven that people are more likely to engage with negative than positive. Saying, "Harris will destroy America" hits emotions more than "Trump will improve the economy." Many Gen X women love their Facebook. 

4 hours ago, G650 said:

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This has bee one of my pet peeves for years, way before Covid. Every time someone gets a minor head cold and goes 'oh I have the flu'. No motherfucker you do not have the goddamn flu

The line I always use is if you have the energy to complain about it, you have a bad cold.  With the flu, its a struggle to make it to the bathroom to piss. 

2 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

The line I always use is if you have the energy to complain about it, you have a bad cold.  With the flu, its a struggle to make it to the bathroom to piss. 

The only 3 things to kick my ass like that were Covid, the flu and mono

9 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

The line I always use is if you have the energy to complain about it, you have a bad cold.  With the flu, its a struggle to make it to the bathroom to piss. 

 

5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

The only 3 things to kick my ass like that were Covid, the flu and mono

The only thing that kicked my ass like that was Dengue and it damned near put me down.  

I'll also add that many Gen X'ers have millenial and Gen Z children who they can never let be right

We just had Phil Cox talk to us at our conference - he runs Elon's America PAC. First off, he was a great speaker with great insights and for a guy that is clearly team Trump, he kept it about as neutral as you can imagine. It was refreshing.

Some interesting tidbits based on their internal polling - they feel strong about GA and AZ for Trump. Like outside margin of error. He also said PA and WI are outside the margin of error for Harris. MI and NC are the dead heats in their view. 

From COVID, PA has seen net migration from NY, bolstering their registered Dems. FL has shifted from +300k D to +1M R and a lot of that came from PA, WI - hence why they think they are both safe D states. AZ has seen CA Rs migrate. MI is a Muslim problem for the Democrats - they are pissed at the D party and they have no home with the Rs so they may stay home.

Senate goes R pretty clearly in their view. 

Apologies for the disorganized recap but it was a very interesting talk.

Michigan is not a toss up.  The Democrats have decimated the Republicans at every level.  They're not going to turn around and vote Trump, regardless of the Dearborn Caucus.

49 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Interesting article about female Gen Xers having outsized support of Trump.

 

https://wapo.st/3ZGWAI0

 

Premise is shaky, but it is this:

 

(Author acknowledges premise is shaky later in the article.  Maybe that poll cited is just wrong).

She goes and contacts some of the people polled who said they're open to discussing.  Reasons include the retarded:

Not really any conclusion drawn except that this is a generation of scared people.

 

Well, she's broke because she's a fucking moron who thinks Trump gave his own money as stimulus.  Geezus jumped-up Christ.

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I find the whole Gen X Trump support so bizarre as it's antithetical to everything I know and lived about my generation. So many Gen X stereotypes were real in a lot of ways, but also one has to recognize the complexity of human lived experience obviously, so I always temper this with the fact that the vast majority of people are just very average suburbanites. And it wasn't a monoculture that people make it out to be either. It's still jarring to see.

5 minutes ago, dieucla98 said:

He also said PA and WI are outside the margin of error for Harris.

They certainly aren't campaigning like that is true.  Considering Trump is in WI today (right smack dab during a Brewers' playoff game) 

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Just now, G650 said:

I find the whole Gen X Trump support so bizarre as it's antithetical to everything I know and lived about my generation. So many Gen X stereotypes were real in a lot of ways, but also one has to recognize the complexity of human lived experience obviously, so I always temper this with the fact that the vast majority of people are just very average suburbanites. And it wasn't a monoculture that people make it out to be either. It's still jarring to see.

The older Gen X that came of age under Reagan have never really waivered from the GOP.  They've always been there.  Unfortunately/fortunately, as a Gen X, I can confidently say: It probably doesn't matter since their are hardly any of us to begin with.  

Gen X: nobody gives a fuck about you except for your quality taste in music. 

4 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Michigan is not a toss up.  The Democrats have decimated the Republicans at every level.  They're not going to turn around and vote Trump, regardless of the Dearborn Caucus.

Hey remember in 2022 with Tudor Dixon (lol) was polling neck and neck with Whitmer?

Whitmer defeated Dixon by a margin of roughly 10.5 percentage points, a wider margin than polls indicated as well as a wider margin than Whitmer's first victory four years prior.

1 minute ago, Bateshorn said:

The older Gen X that came of age under Reagan have never really waivered from the GOP.  They've always been there.  Unfortunately/fortunately, as a Gen X, I can confidently say: It probably doesn't matter since their are hardly any of us to begin with.  

Gen X: nobody gives a fuck about you except for your quality taste in music. 

 

Over the next 8-10 years as boomers continue to die and millennials and genz take root in voting they're largely irrelevant because numbers

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

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Yep, and we all know people or are related to people who did similar shit - going to weddings, movies, games, restaurants, clubs, etc while knowingly infected. There's a special place in hell ...

16 hours ago, Baboontyme said:

Is anyone else seeing the Kamala changes her mind a lot, but one thing she hasn't and won't change her mind on is Israel commercial during football? 

It is playing itself as a Pro Harris ad but seems very back handed with the "compliments" if not subtle insults. Then it dawned on me that there is a large contingent of Arabs in my metro area. Interesting.

I looked for the ad on YT but couldn't find it. 

@chainsaw Found the pac when the same ad started littering my Twitter feed. As I suspected, it's a fake Pro Kamala ad. Turns out they are running similar ads that paint her as Pro Palestinian in areas with high populations of Jewish people. 

https://jewishinsider.com/2024/09/future-coalition-pac-kamala-harris-microtargeting-muslim-jewish-voters/

Michigan does have a bit of an Arab problem. On the Christian side they are all Pro Cheeto because they have long been single issue voters tied to the abortion issue. On the Muslim side they are pissed at Biden about Israel and for some reason think that Trump is going to be less Pro Netanyahu, which I cannot understand. 

I still think we will be firmly blue come November but stuff like the Mayor of Hamtramck publicly endorsing Trump continues to amaze me. 

 

https://www.wxyz.com/news/voices/hamtramck-residents-react-to-mayor-amer-ghalib-endorsing-donald-trump

10 minutes ago, wood said:

Yep, and we all know people or are related to people who did similar shit - going to weddings, movies, games, restaurants, clubs, etc while knowingly infected. There's a special place in hell ...

I can't put any data to it, but I actually think Covid has killed off a statistically significant portion of the GOP voter base, and it's effecting outcomes at the polls. 

I can't put any data to it, but I actually think Covid has killed off a statistically significant portion of the GOP voter base, and it's effecting outcomes at the polls. 

Too bad it didn’t kill off more.
22 minutes ago, dieucla98 said:

We just had Phil Cox talk to us at our conference - he runs Elon's America PAC. First off, he was a great speaker with great insights and for a guy that is clearly team Trump, he kept it about as neutral as you can imagine. It was refreshing.

Some interesting tidbits based on their internal polling - they feel strong about GA and AZ for Trump. Like outside margin of error. He also said PA and WI are outside the margin of error for Harris. MI and NC are the dead heats in their view. 

If true (and no mention of NV, so I'm guessing they think it's off the table), this would put Harris at 261 and only needing one of NC/MI to win. And I'm inclined to think Michigan is a state they are comfortable with, considering it has voted Dem 7 out of the last 8 elections and the only time it did not was by 0.23%

Dockworkers strike is not great for Harris.  Assuming this doesn't get resolved in the near term, the current administration (and by extension Kamala) will take the hit regardless of fault.  The Trump campaign is desperate for new talking points and I'll be pretty surprised if this isn't a big part of their messaging soon if not already.  

21 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Hey remember in 2022 with Tudor Dixon (lol) was polling neck and neck with Whitmer?

Whitmer defeated Dixon by a margin of roughly 10.5 percentage points, a wider margin than polls indicated as well as a wider margin than Whitmer's first victory four years prior.

I got there somewhat frequently for work.  Back in the spring during the primary, I was there and the local news ran an interview with some politico type from UM.  He said that the Dearborn Caucus was basically a loud minority statewide.  He  said they only really move the needle in a few congressional districts and that union whites, suburban women, and black voters from various cities were FAR more numerous.

Take that for what it's worth.

15 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

I can't put any data to it, but I actually think Covid has killed off a statistically significant portion of the GOP voter base, and it's effecting outcomes at the polls. 

It would skew old, so that points R, but recall that early Covid impacts were almost all urban.  

Going back to my friend in the UK who asked the Bexar County/RFK question, he just DM'd me this in response to me talking about the possibilites of a big win by Harris/Walz. Purely anecdotal, I know, but it's interesting nonetheless, imho. Oh, and we're both older, GenX, anti-Trump former Republicans, btw. We aren't all over the edge.

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I was working for the League of Women Voters in Bexar Co. (I may have mentioned that in the thread) They let me go after a letter they received from the State Department, asking/demanding that they relinquish themselves of all foreign entities that are assisting them via the volunteer program.

When I was told this by the regional canvassing director I said "That's no problem, but how were we doing?" She said that our volunteers had amassed 47,630 NEW registrations since my first day in the second week of August.

The registration surge by the national LWV's all over the country she mentioned at the end of our conversation leads me to believe that it may well be a landslide.

So I, like you, certainly hope so and I have faith in Americans to make the right decision.

Well, MOST of them anyway.

/csb

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I am hopeful that traditional polling methods are undercounting or underestimating a groundswell of anti-Trump sentiment

16 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

 

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48 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

I'll also add that many Gen X'ers have millenial and Gen Z children who they can never let be right

Can you elaborate on this? For starters I believe most millenials are Boomer kids, not Gen X kids (their second families). But I'm curious what you mean. 

36 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

Over the next 8-10 years as boomers continue to die and millennials and genz take root in voting they're largely irrelevant because numbers

Yeah, well, that's why they're going all out to win and gain power forever right now. 

18 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Dockworkers strike is not great for Harris.  Assuming this doesn't get resolved in the near term, the current administration (and by extension Kamala) will take the hit regardless of fault.  The Trump campaign is desperate for new talking points and I'll be pretty surprised if this isn't a big part of their messaging soon if not already.  

I haven't researched this much, but I read it's really one person holding up negotiations. Any idea if that's true? If so, one person cannot yield this much power over the economy. Even the president doesn't wield such power. Make it happen. D's cannot afford a loss of this magnitude right now.

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I haven't researched this much, but I read it's really one person holding up negotiations. Any idea if that's true? If so, one person cannot yield this much power over the economy. Even the president doesn't wield such power. Make it happen. D's cannot afford a loss of this magnitude right now.

I've only been following it high level the past couple of weeks.  The "demands" of the dockworkers are pie in the sky.  To what extent that is BS posturing who knows.  The proposal yesterday seemed reasonable but I'm not near enough in the weeds to have an informed opinion.  I do know based on a 2 minute clip posted in the DT thread the rep for the union is a douchebag that is not going to garner any sympathy for their cause if he takes that attitude to the press in the coming days. 

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The real question is who is more bangable: her or Amy Schumer?

35 minutes ago, Baboontyme said:

the Mayor of Hamtramck publicly endorsing Trump continues to amaze me. 

I would think the mayor is likely dirty. 

1 hour ago, locodos said:

 

The only thing that kicked my ass like that was Dengue and it damned near put me down.  

Sometimes I gets the menstrual cramps real hard. 

1 hour ago, Bateshorn said:

The older Gen X that came of age under Reagan have never really waivered from the GOP.  They've always been there.  Unfortunately/fortunately, as a Gen X, I can confidently say: It probably doesn't matter since their are hardly any of us to begin with.  

Gen X: nobody gives a fuck about you except for your quality taste in music. 

Yes, the one thing I did forget to add is I'm young Gen X (late 70s)

10 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

Sometimes I gets the menstrual cramps real hard. 

You should keep track of that and send a log to your state's governor's office.

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