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Posted
1 hour ago, Michael Knight said:

Democrats have always been terrible with messaging 

Donald Trump is convicted felon, rapist, racist, extreme narcissist, stupid, an idiotic braggart, habitual liar, ruined America's streak for peaceful transfers of power, weakens our allies and admires our enemies, has the worst fucking kids, oh and is an ugly orange stained loser with weird fucking hair. But the prevailing narrative for this election is Joe Biden is old. Now alot of that is because our corporate media oligarchs keep repeating that point to the public and treat Trump as if he was a legitimate candidate.

Rage inducing 

Posted
Just now, Aqua Buddha said:

You mean the ones who are secretly pro choice?

I mean the ones who “secretly” don’t think women can be president. And the ones who are only racist around their friends. 

Posted
12 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

What did you see? Not being argumentative btw. 
What I saw was 10 mins of what the fuck is this guy trying to say. And it was concerning. After that I saw Joe Biden being old. And it was softer in tone than he has been.


 

I’ve seen about 10 different iterations of this meme. From accounts that aren’t right leaning (pickleball, bourbon, soccer) and have never posted about politics before. The portrait of forgetful old man is now mainstream beyond libsoktiktok and Newsmax. 
 

 

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Posted
11 minutes ago, linux said:

 

Well he is not quitting and there is nothing you can do about it, what are YOU going to be doing moving forward?

 

Nobody who watched that debate can credibly conclude that Biden is fit to run the country for four more years.  You, me, and most on this board understand that he is obviously immeasurably better than the alternative and will get our vote, but there are millions in this country who have been presented with the same information as us prior to last week and are undecided. Now that the debate has made a pro-Biden argument much harder, the election now relies on us over the next four months getting these same undecided voters to draw a conclusion about Trump that they have not yet concluded in his previous 78 years.  Good luck to us!

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Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:


 

I’ve seen about 10 different iterations of this meme. From accounts that aren’t right leaning (pickleball, bourbon, soccer) and have never posted about politics before. The portrait of forgetful old man is now mainstream beyond libsoktiktok and Newsmax. 
 

 

Ok well that’s just incredible meme-ing. 
People are dumb, I get it, they remember clips. My point was more that over the 90 mins, Joe was not senile or incompetent. He just wasn’t. He was old as shit but it seems strange to say he’s not capable of running the country when he’s running the country. And very effectively.

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Just now, Chuckie Finster said:

Nobody who watched that debate can credibly conclude that Biden is fit to run the country for four more years.  You, me, and most on this board understand that he is obviously immeasurably better than the alternative and will get our vote, but there are millions in this country who have been presented with the same information as us prior to last week and are undecided. Now that the debate has made a pro-Biden argument much harder, the election now relies on us over the next four months getting these same undecided voters to draw a conclusion about Trump that they have not yet concluded in his previous 78 years.  Good luck to us!

Do you really want me to convince you that Biden is fit to run the country? it is really fucking easy, it is his team that runs the country, it has been that way for generations, do you honestly thinks he is micromanaging everything?

You want to know who ran the country based on him alone? Trump and it was a diaster.

Anybody that argues fit for president without assembling a great team IS NOT FIT TO BE PRESIDENT!

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Posted
Just now, linux said:

Do you really want me to convince you that Biden is fit to run the country? it is really fucking easy, it is his team that runs the country, it has been that way for generations, do you honestly thinks he is micromanaging everything?

You want to know who ran the country based on him alone? Trump and it was a diaster.

Anybody that argues fit for president without assembling a great team IS NOT FIT TO BE PRESIDENT!

You don’t need to convince me of anything.  I’m voting for his corpse if it comes to it.  You need to convince the country currently giving him historically low approval numbers.

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Biden dies in 2025 who really fucking cares?

Dies in 2026 who really fucking cares?

I mean seriously I WISH Trump died of a heart attack if he reached office.

 

A competent team > incompetent man > dead president > traitor

Posted
1 minute ago, linux said:

Biden dies in 2025 who really fucking cares?

Dies in 2026 who really fucking cares?

I mean seriously I WISH Trump died of a heart attack if he reached office.

 

A competent team > incompetent man > dead president > traitor


 

 

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Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

You don’t need to convince me of anything.  I’m voting for his corpse if it comes to it.  You need to convince the country currently giving him historically low approval numbers.

Ok then we moved on to point #2, how can I convince you that Joe Biden whether competently or incopentently step aside is literally unchangeable.

What will you do then?

Can we all get promise here? that no matter if it is a fucking dog we will not do anything to sabotage the dem nominee? that even if he is 30 points behind we are all going to volunteer with our nose hung high? you know who that kills most of all? ME and I am still doing it.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, linux said:

Biden dies in 2025 who really fucking cares?

Dies in 2026 who really fucking cares?

I mean seriously I WISH Trump died of a heart attack if he reached office.

 

A competent team > incompetent man > dead president > traitor

That’s not the discussion though. We aren’t arguing Biden vs Trump. Everyone in this discussion is on the same team, it’s just a matter of what we think is the most effective way to win.

This is a football gameday thread at this point and I’m here for it.

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Posted (edited)
1 minute ago, elfenix said:

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Bernie Bro vote confirmed. It’s Joever 

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I mean she would not be locked up by a totalitarian regime that persecutes any and all of its enemies, of course she wants that, I presume the point is mythical points for Harris.

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Biden just needs to come out and say.   “The American voters are heard no more, because of the corruption of the courts.   Former criminal presidents are not held to account, because of the corruption of the courts.   The rule of law no longer applies.  That’s why I give you, my successor, Barack Obama.  If you don’t like your term limits, you can keep them.  Just move somewhere else you facist pigs.

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Posted
53 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

He is too old. He's not incompetent. He's not prone to damage the republic. He gives a shit.

The only question is which candidate is better for the country in the role of president. The choice between these two men is the easiest in any election ever. It's crazy.

I think if every eligible voter was required to cast a vote Biden would win in historic fashion. Unfortunately that’s not the case. I was confident Biden would hold every state he won last time and maybe pick up a couple. Now I’m trying to convince myself he can hold enough to get to 270

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Posted
3 hours ago, troph said:

he's not an odious piece of shit or a pussy grabber to them. On the way to a trailhead near the continental divide, we drove through the town of Meredith, CO last weekend, population 25 maybe? Cletus was sitting outside his trailer with his dog and with no shirt on, eating something. He looked like the poster child (but an adult) for fetal alcohol syndrome. The place was a trash pile. I felt bad for his dog. The man was filthy dirty. Next door and set back a bit further was an older man. He had his shirt on, but he sat under a "covered porch" consisting of a tarp tied to the mobile home, this old man was sitting there doing nothing. Communities like these are dead, no hope, no opportunity and frankly there are less extreme examples of communities with no hope, but the number of white Americans living in poverty is shockingly high at 22 million according to my google search and when they hear someone say it's the illegals fault and that black president's fault, and the woke mob, and antifa, and America is horrible and I will make it great again for you Cletus and unnamed old guy sitting there, they eat that shit up.

 

Funny thing is, America was never great for Cletus and the old guy.

Posted
2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Now I’m trying to convince myself he can hold enough to get to 270

If the election was held tomorrow, he would lose every swing state. States like New Mexico and Virginia would probably be toss-ups. 

So what's the solution? Get him out more? Yeah, before too long you'll see some stuff that looks just like the debate the other night. And obviously you can't just hide him. 

Honestly I think the one thing that could help him win the election is some kind of 9/11 type event. But we're probably past the point where something like that could bring people together. 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Funny thing is, America was never great for Cletus and the old guy.

Cletus and the old guy didn’t care as long as it was better for them than the you-know-who’s. That’s why MLK was so dangerous. He was shining a light on poverty as a whole 

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There will not be as many voters as 2020 in 2024. period. The states that want more access for people to vote are favorable to Dems. It’s a turnout game, and hate drives that more. And people have been hate voting, and becoming permanent voters for Dems against Dipshit Donald in every 2 year election cycle since 2016.

 @YGIFSmakes a great distinction between Dems “participating” in voter suppression against Republicans this election instead of making it a permanent strategy. I’ve dropped all pretenses. Fuck them. Block em out.

This article is now 5 years older. And it’s not just Hispanics to care about.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/06/20/texas-hispanic-population-pace-surpass-white-residents/

 

 

Posted
52 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Nobody who watched that debate can credibly conclude that Biden is fit to run the country for four more years.  


And nobody who watched the Trump administration and watched him suggest ingesting bleach can credibly conclude that he is fit to run the country for four more years.

It's a helluva fix we've gotten ourselves into, Ollie.

 

Posted
2 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

I don’t like Kamala. She’s a cop imo. But I think she’s the only real option if Joe were to step down. And that’s the problem. I would be much more confident in Joe winning than her. 

If we were talking about Dark Brandon I would agree. But he ain't walking through that door. Trump loses to a generic democrat, not a geriatric democrat. All Kamala has to do is be that generic democrat.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

If we were talking about Dark Brandon I would agree. But he ain't walking through that door. Trump loses to a generic democrat, not a geriatric democrat. All Kamala has to do is be that generic democrat.

Those aren't mutually exclusive and if "generic democrat" is the first priority, Biden is about as generic as it gets. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Correct.  A Harris/Kelly ticket, for example, would win.  

I'm not sure where the notion she can't win PA, MI, and WI came from.  Republicans have basically lost everything there since Dobbs.  Harris might also help with turnout in the cities.

Isn't Kelly going to be busy senatoring?

"You're going to need a crew as crazy as you.  Who you got in mind?"  Who would be the VP nominee?

 

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Wonder if there would be some benefit in selecting a ticket where neither candidate has been circulating thru the Fox hate machine for years. They’d catch up, for sure, but that reflexive hatred wouldn’t be there.

Posted
Just now, Red Five said:

Wonder if there would be some benefit in selecting a ticket where neither candidate has been circulating thru the Fox hate machine for years. They’d catch up, for sure, but that reflexive hatred wouldn’t be there.

Office Space No GIF

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I only care if Biden drops out in that I want to see Democrats' chances of winning the White House, Senate, and House maximized, because the Republican Party has openly broadcast its desire to establish a fascist dictatorship.

I have not seen a ton of evidence that Biden dropping would advance that cause; although polling coming out this week, as the media has negligently and relentlessly focused on Biden's debate performance above any and all other stories, has now maybe started to suggest that. Lots of polling has indicated that a majority of voters, including independents and even Democrats, want Biden to not run. That's great, but we all know when you start identifying alternatives as opposed to the idea of a generic replacement, support plummets. This is evidenced by other options polling essentially the same. So in that sense I am somewhat agnostic. If it becomes clear to me that Biden stepping aside meaningfully increases win probability then I'd be all for it, I'm just unconvinced that it does, even now.

Kamala Harris is in all likelihood the nominee if that happens. Base your takes about whether you think Biden should step down accordingly. She is logistically by far the smoothest option and was elected by the people of the United States of America to be the next (wo)man up if, God forbid, the need ever arose. There is no reasonable argument from within the Democratic Party other than "eh, I just don't like her;" which sets off a shit show of a contested convention that I have no doubt Democrats would find a way to bungle.

If Biden does step aside, Harris's candidacy is a political damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Obviously there are undecideds/independents willing to give Democrats a second look with a younger candidate. However, we saw a black president break a good chunk of white America's brains and we see similarly inspired posts in this very thread discussing her candidacy. I have a hard time thinking a black woman retains the support in the suburbs and among white seniors that Joe Biden has, nor is she likely to be significantly additive when it comes to black and latino men. Conversely, black women are an integral part of the Democratic base and passing over a black woman who is very literally heir to the throne is not going to go over well. I don't know how much she nets over Biden, if anything.

Gavin Newsom exudes rich, California limousine liberal. While I think he is very good in interviews, and is clearly a sharp guy, and has a decent policy record, that will be the message and it will stick with receipts like the French laundry debacle. He will be a non starter in middle America.

Gretchen Whitmer and Josh Shapiro at least bring the potential to shore up key states, but see the point above about passing over Harris and the reaction from black women in the base. Whitmer also has to deal with the burden of being a woman. Shapiro probably has the shortest list of negatives, but as just a two year Governor of PA, we don't know what we don't know in terms of vetting. And I frankly struggle to see the Democratic Party passing on a sitting VP for a two-year Governor.

Anyone else is small time and not worth considering. 

Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

The biggest surprise for me in all this is how CNN has gone full retard .   No offense to retards.

It’s a disaster of a “news” network. It’s always been ratings driven but it’s a full fledged propaganda machine at this point. Which was basically their mission statement when the new guy took over.

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Posted
1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

I would worry about how she would do with the old school (white guy) Dems I those states

To be fair, Democrats' support among the Midwestern white working class has collapsed. I am not worried about an old school Democrat that stayed with the party to vote for Clinton and Biden defecting when Trump is on the ballot again.

It's the middle/upper middle class middle aged white voters who just don't like Harris's tone for some strange reason that I'd worry about. And seniors.

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2 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

To be fair, Democrats' support among the Midwestern white working class has collapsed. I am not worried about an old school Democrat that stayed with the party to vote for Clinton and Biden defecting when Trump is on the ballot again.

It's the middle/upper middle class middle aged white voters who just don't like Harris's tone for some strange reason that I'd worry about. And seniors.

How many of those are still around in the Democratic party? I cannot fathom that person being a likely voter, and a likely Biden voter, in the first place.  There are some middle and upper class whites in swing states, but the majority of them vote along party lines and in their own perceived interests. Who among those people will stay home if Biden's not on the ticket? However many there are, I would say we get that back and then some with lower and middle class black women who might have stayed home.

This is also a great chance to try and win back some of those Muslim voters in Michigan who vowed never to support Genocide Joe.

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28 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Wonder if there would be some benefit in selecting a ticket where neither candidate has been circulating thru the Fox hate machine for years. They’d catch up, for sure, but that reflexive hatred wouldn’t be there.


there isn’t one person that watched Fox News nightly that is voting for a dem president. Why the fuck should the democrats be running candidates that “haven’t been polluted by Fox News/newsmax/youtubeNaziguy”

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Posted
16 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This is called a moment of clarity

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I mean, my man,a moment of clarity for me would be “convicted felon tries to wrest control of the United States of America “.  Yeah I’m gonna vote for that guy!

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

If you don't draw the line somewhere you're only delaying the enivitable. If not now, when?

 

There will never be a line in the sand.  Trump's 1st term provided more than enough evidence that he's completely unfit for office.  The "undecided" voters will continue to do whatever mental gymnastics necessary to justify voting for Trump/3rd party until the country/world no longer exists.

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21 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

I mean, my man,a moment of clarity for me would be “convicted felon tries to wrest control of the United States of America “.  Yeah I’m gonna vote for that guy!

No, they just won't vote at all which means the convicted felon wins unless Biden has more people who will still vote for him. The enthusiasm gap is only going to grow larger if Biden keeps stumbling. Or they'll waste a vote on the brain wormed, babysitter assaulting dog eater. 

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