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50 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Something smells in that lack of a national Teamsters endorsement. 

They should work on election new union leadership...

42 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Of course he is, because he’s an impulsive idiot who knows nothing about economics. So he inevitably proposed dumb shit that will lease to 

But specifically: the 2020 stimulus was a significant contributor to the 2022 inflationary spike. That includes the $1,200 checks Trump had his name printed on and attached to a letter bearing his signature. And of course, he signed the CARES Act that authorized the stimulus payments. 

Tl;dr: Trump’s fingerprints are all over government spending that contributed to the recent inflation that everyone blames Biden for.

I'll field this one becuase I've seen it repeatedly in real life; the first stimulus was fine and necessary, it was the second Biden stimulus that really fucked everything up. 

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20 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I have had some experience with elderly narcissists. Their "casual bullshitting" from their earlier years quickly turns into "Just say whatever pops into your head. It doesn't matter if it's true or not, because if you're saying it, that means it's true." 

As an example I always go back to..... said elderly narcissist tells me he has stopped drinking completely, and hasn't had a drop to drink in a month. Problem: He told me this while holding a glass of wine. True story. 

"Um, I'm watching you drink wine as we speak."

"Oh, well, this is the first in a month."  

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51 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Something smells in that lack of a national Teamsters endorsement. 

According to r/union, the president ran some rigged straw polls at times when younger members were unlikely to attend. 

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Posted
9 minutes ago, heso said:

PA could have been called on election night in 2020. The state was publishing their mail in ballot requests and return rates by party affiliation in the weeks leading up to the election. I remember telling my team at work the Friday before the election that if Trump was up by less than X votes he’s going to lose and it would take 2 days to verify. 

I understand not wanting to call it until it was confirmed, but even Shapiro was on tv as AG the next day saying that it was inevitable that Biden would pass Trump and it was just a matter of adding them up. 

Most people knew MI, WI and PA and NV would eventually be called for Biden. It was like big massive blue bubbles in SEPA of outstanding votes in places Grump was losing 87-11 and shit

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13 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Fox News did an over sample of black voters in 7 swing states 

Harris 82/12

Remind me why everyone thinks he is winning 20-25% of the black vote?

I mean, I find it incomprehensible he's getting 12% of the black vote, and yet here we are...

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Most people knew MI, WI and PA and NV would eventually be called for Biden. It was like big massive blue bubbles in SEPA of outstanding votes in places Grump was losing 87-11 and shit

but but when I went to bed at 1am Trump was easily winning PA. Then when I woke up, somehow Biden had more votes. I saw a video of a vote counter pulling out a box of ballots from under her desk. It was rigged. Saw it with my own eyes. Do your research. 😀

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1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

It's more frustration than bitching and moaning. That being said, for context, I was still nervous well into the 3rd quarter of the Michigan game. 

PA just feels much more sticky and not moving positively towards Harris with the momentum we see in other places. 

It makes more sense when you realize it’s Pennsyltucky

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Would appreciate hearing thoughts on Scaramucci’s statements on Trump. He believes a not insignificant reason Trump is running is because he fears all of the legal threats he faces. He wants the Presidency not only for grifting and power, but to stay out of jail and avoid massive legal fees. 

So let’s just pretend for a minute this is true. Do you think Harris and Trump have had back channel conversations about pardons? If they have, what would Trump do to secure the pardon? When would he and Harris cement an agreement? And The Mooch is not assuming this is only done after Election Day.

For example, assume internal polling shows Trump he’s going to lose. Would he try to get an agreement with her before Election Day? 

The whole idea is nutty, but then that’s The Mooch for you. 
 

 

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Just now, CooterBrown said:

On a booming stock market day, guess which company is one of the biggest losers.

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I have zero doubt that Trump will come out ahead in selling that stock, and others will be left holding the back when the stock ultimately drops to $0.

It's just like how Trump supporters bet their life on the 2020 prediction markets that Trump would win. 

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1 minute ago, Dbeasy said:

Would appreciate hearing thoughts on Scaramucci’s statements on Trump. He believes a not insignificant reason Trump is running is because he fears all of the legal threats he faces. He wants the Presidency not only for grifting and power, but to stay out of jail and avoid massive legal fees. 

So let’s just pretend for a minute this is true. Do you think Harris and Trump have had back channel conversations about pardons? If they have, what would Trump do to secure the pardon? When would he and Harris cement an agreement? And The Mooch is not assuming this is only done after Election Day.

For example, assume internal polling shows Trump he’s going to lose. Would he try to get an agreement with her before Election Day? 

The whole idea is nutty, but then that’s The Mooch for you. 
 

 

I could see that more as a post-election day idea. I don't see it happening but the small remote chance of Trump agreeing to admit he lost in exchange Harris or Biden agree to pardon him. 

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2 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Would appreciate hearing thoughts on Scaramucci’s statements on Trump. He believes a not insignificant reason Trump is running is because he fears all of the legal threats he faces. He wants the Presidency not only for grifting and power, but to stay out of jail and avoid massive legal fees. 

So let’s just pretend for a minute this is true. Do you think Harris and Trump have had back channel conversations about pardons? If they have, what would Trump do to secure the pardon? When would he and Harris cement an agreement? And The Mooch is not assuming this is only done after Election Day.

For example, assume internal polling shows Trump he’s going to lose. Would he try to get an agreement with her before Election Day? 

The whole idea is nutty, but then that’s The Mooch for you. 
 

 

No pardons! 

But realistically, idk. If he agrees to concede without a fight and never run for office again, maybe? I’d hate it but also would be so relieved this ain’t being dragged into January with frivolous legal challenges. 

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19 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

They should work on election new union leadership...

I'll field this one becuase I've seen it repeatedly in real life; the first stimulus was fine and necessary, it was the second Biden stimulus that really fucked everything up. 

Because Trump, who is literally talking about price controls on groceries and capping interest rates on credit cards via executive order would have been absolutely against a second stimulus had he been re-elected 

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11 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I mean, I find it incomprehensible he's getting 12% of the black vote, and yet here we are...

I was reading something about how the whole immigration thing isn’t just to stoke white racist outrage but also because it gives black Americans someone to look down on. They’re trying to start a race war against immigrants 

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No pardons! 
But realistically, idk. If he agrees to concede without a fight and never run for office again, maybe? I’d hate it but also would be so relieved this ain’t being dragged into January with frivolous legal challenges. 

Why would anyone consider a deal with him? You have to know he won’t abide by it. So he gets something and you get nothing.

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8 minutes ago, Js1 said:

No pardons! 

But realistically, idk. If he agrees to concede without a fight and never run for office again, maybe? I’d hate it but also would be so relieved this ain’t being dragged into January with frivolous legal challenges. 

How do you enforce that? 

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Trump and Vance are telling bald faced lies repeatedly at this point, not exaggerations, half truths, or statements that can be written off as opinion. And not a peep from the media

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

No.  NO NO NO NO NO.

Because you can't make that a binding and enforceable deal, and Trump will NEVER EVER follow that deal voluntarily.  You could make the deal, he could admit to a global audience "I am a criminal who committed many crimes, I am grateful for being pardoned, and I swear and promise that I will never run for office again," and before the day is out, he would be at a rally saying "did you see how I outfoxed Crooked Joe and Krazy Kamala?  They wiped the slate clean of all of their fake charges, so nothing can stop us now!  I am announcing my candidacy to be your favorite president in 2028!"

This is the correct offer.

We didn't grant concessions to Germany and Japan.  We turned their rubble into rubble and nuked them until they presented an UNCONDITIONAL surrender.  We have to play this ALL THE WAY OUT.

I get your point. But I'd consider it if he signed paperwork saying he was guilty of committing treason, and with sharing our secrets for money. That's about the one thing I could see him doing that would wake half of America from it's reverie. And you make it so that the second he denies it at a later date, or said he didn't do it, it's off to trial. 

3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Because Trump, who is literally talking about price controls on groceries and capping interest rates on credit cards via executive order would have been absolutely against a second stimulus had he been re-elected 

I didn't say it was logical, or even reasonable. I repeated what I was told. 

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I was reading something about how the whole immigration thing isn’t just to stoke white racist outrage but also because it gives black Americans someone to look down on. They’re trying to start a race war against immigrants 

It's a shame those people don't know that the definition of "immigrant" to those people involved is anyone with skin darker than me. And I'm a fucking pasty motherfucker. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Enforce it? You tell him that Biden will pardon him on January 19th because politically Harris can't do it. 

Then you don't pardon him because fuck him. You do to Trump what he has done to people his whole life. 

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1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

I didn't say it was logical, or even reasonable. I repeated what I was told.

I know. I run into the same shit. And responding with what I responded to you gets ignored or they say something about jobs estimates being adjusted downward or some other bullshit. So frustrating 

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Posted

In this scenario, the only deal that should be pursued is the following:

  • Trump admits he lost in 2020 and 2024. In a press conference standing next to Biden and Harris.
  • Asks his supporters to accept this as fact.
  • Pleads guilty to all of the current federal crimes. Can't this eliminate the possibility of appeals?
  • Biden commutes his sentence on his last day.

Therefore he's a federal felon but he just doesn't have to serve time in federal prison. 

This would be a huge win for Dems. It would throw some in the GOP in disarray that Trump abandoned them.

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3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

Good. This is actually becoming a problem for Trump. Saw an article about it a while back.

She doesn't need to actually win the group but likely can peel off a nice chunk of that bloc.

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7 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

 

2 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Good. This is actually becoming a problem for Trump. Saw an article about it a while back.

She doesn't need to actually win the group but likely can peel off a nice chunk of that bloc.

Which morals? Becuase couldn't they just as easily reject Harris on her morals as well?

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

I have had some experience with elderly narcissists. Their "casual bullshitting" from their earlier years quickly turns into "Just say whatever pops into your head. It doesn't matter if it's true or not, because if you're saying it, that means it's true." 

"Everything I say is fact because I say it!"

Posted
10 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

About time. These were Utah's vote totals in 2016. A great many of those McMullin votes were Mormons who weren't inclined to vote for Trump over his lack of morality.

Republican Donald Trump Mike Pence 515,231
Democratic Hillary Clinton Tim Kaine 310,676
Independent Evan McMullin Nathan Johnson 243,690
Libertarian Gary Johnson Bill Weld 39,608
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55 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I have had some experience with elderly narcissists. Their "casual bullshitting" from their earlier years quickly turns into "Just say whatever pops into your head. It doesn't matter if it's true or not, because if you're saying it, that means it's true." 

Read a story a few weeks back, and might've even posted it here, that said Trump has been consistently lying for so long he can no longer keep track of things on a day-to-day basis. That's partly due to obvious cognitive decline. Basically, whatever comes out of his mouth is what he believes to be true at that given time. He is likely to totally contradict himself the next day. It's amazing this guy will get more than 70M votes on 11/5.

 

52 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

It really is amazing how ignorant he is on just about any subject he speaks about.   Like stunningly ignorant. 

He's the worst kind of ignorant too -- he thinks he's an expert on every single subject that comes up.

 

19 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Would appreciate hearing thoughts on Scaramucci’s statements on Trump. He believes a not insignificant reason Trump is running is because he fears all of the legal threats he faces. He wants the Presidency not only for grifting and power, but to stay out of jail and avoid massive legal fees. 

So let’s just pretend for a minute this is true. Do you think Harris and Trump have had back channel conversations about pardons? If they have, what would Trump do to secure the pardon? When would he and Harris cement an agreement? And The Mooch is not assuming this is only done after Election Day.

For example, assume internal polling shows Trump he’s going to lose. Would he try to get an agreement with her before Election Day? 

The whole idea is nutty, but then that’s The Mooch for you. 
 

 

Correct. Trump doesn't want to be POTUS for any of the right reasons. He loves power and bilking people for money, which he can easily do (with immunity now) from the White House. He's been running for two years simply because of his legal issues. All that is 100% true. I've wondered myself if he's bucking for a pardon in this -- like if Harris (or then Biden) had offered to pardon Trump just to get the whole sordid thing behind us so we can "heal" and move on as a nation -- but don't have a definitive take on that one way or the other. While the single most important thing for this country is ensuring Trump doesn't get back into the White House, almost as important is not letting somebody like Vance, or anybody else with Project 2025 backing, win the presidency as well.

Personally, I say fuck off on pardons. Trump is in a very beatable position now and we could get EVERYTHING -- Kamala victory, Trump's final defeat and then Trump justice (hopefully). I would like to see him lose this election and get turbo-fucked by the courts but I'm not losing sight of the fact we just need Harris to win this election first and foremost.

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2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

Which morals? Becuase couldn't they just as easily reject Harris on her morals as well?

Yes, but this is a bloc that hates lawlessness and Jan 6 is the wedge that is driving them to the Democrats. 

Here's a good summary of the issue for Trump and the GOP: https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a61854963/trump-lose-mormon-support/. This links to the Axios article that talks about how problematic Jan 6 is for Mormons.

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I don’t care how giddy the past couple weeks have made the Democrats; they can’t possibly hope to win Utah. But Arizona is a different pile of sand. Losing a chunk of the Mormon vote in Arizona, either because the LDS voters stayed home or because they actually jumped the fence, would be a serious blow to any GOP hopes of regaining the state’s ten electoral votes. It would also be a major embarrassment to the Republican party. That, of course, assumes that the GOP is capable of embarrassment anymore.

 

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Re: a deal for Trump. This is all fantasy but I'll play along:

Instead of pardons for the federal crimes, you offer a non-prosecution agreement based on DJT fulfilling a number of conditions. Admissions of guilt. Never running for any office again. But way beyond that. He has to publicly admit that almost everything he's said to the American people have been intentional lies. It would be an enumerated list, including the admission that Biden and dems didn't steal the 2020 election; rather he attempted to defraud the American people in a number of ways, including fake electors, march on the capitol, bogus lawsuits, etc. And, he has to out an enumerated list of GOP pols as liars who are only serving billionaires and big corporations, explain all the rhetoric from the GOP and Fox/right wing media about things like immigration are lies designed to dupe the public to vote for a party actively trying to shit on the average American. He has to expose how GOP's get bought by the mega rich, corporations, and malicious foreign enemies. The list could go on, but the gist is something that would finally annihilate the GOP.

He fails to fulfill any of that, you prosecute. 

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I don't think Trump is capable of doing any of those things that would come with a pardon. And yeah, of course he would attempt to get out of it. 

Would it be possible to have him sign a document saying any attempt to renege on the conditions would send him straight to prison?

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11 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

In this scenario, the only deal that should be pursued is the following:

  • Trump admits he lost in 2020 and 2024. In a press conference standing next to Biden and Harris.
  • Asks his supporters to accept this as fact.
  • Pleads guilty to all of the current federal crimes. Can't this eliminate the possibility of appeals?
  • Provides all evidence of coordination with Russian or other foreign parties/entities in any election/finance schemes, including culpitory information on those who worked for his campaigns or in his White House. 
  • Biden commutes his sentence on his last day.

Therefore he's a federal felon but he just doesn't have to serve time in federal prison. 

This would be a huge win for Dems. It would throw some in the GOP in disarray that Trump abandoned them.

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What is even the point of a pardon if he loses again? Let him run in 2028 as an 82-year-old two-time loser with a conspiracy platform with an even more diverse electorate.

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Posted
36 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I have zero doubt that Trump will come out ahead in selling that stock, and others will be left holding the back when the stock ultimately drops to $0.

It's just like how Trump supporters bet their life on the 2020 prediction markets that Trump would win. 

It’s difficult to be negative on a stock that you are given for free.  And he is too adept at lining his pockets to actually keep the stock and ride it towards zero.  He will cash out at his followers’ expense as usual. 

Posted (edited)
16 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

Which morals? Becuase couldn't they just as easily reject Harris on her morals as well?

 

My understanding is that they'll use whichever morals their elders tell them to?

I had a Mormon friend who had to ask her elders if she could spend her own money on a new roof for her house.  After some deliberation, they said yes, as long as she also permanently increased her tithe to the church.  It makes perfect sense that these people have a significant say in an election in the United States in 2024.  Everything's cool.

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