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I've come to the conclusion that Teslas have always appealed to people who are inherently terrible drivers.  BMW/Mercedes/Audi drivers are the worst on the road in terms of entitled bullshit and zero concern for others (German engineering and ugly vehicles must appeal to dickheads for some reason). Still, Tesla drivers, on the whole, are simply bad drivers.  You can't blame FSD, or whatever the previous versions of it are called, for the nonstop fuckery that goes on in those vehicles all the damn time.  Can't stay in a lane, awkward braking, either driving much too fast or much too slow, etc.   The point is, maybe we're thinking about this all wrong.  As shitty as Elon's FSD undoubtedly is, what may matter the most is if it's better than the shitty drivers who buy Teslas.  If so, it's a net positive, right?

Nothing scares me more when I'm on a motorcycle than a Tesla in the vicinity (they are the number one auto brand killer of people on two wheels, after all).  Perhaps, maybe, fuck if I know, FSD will make them a little bit less scary.  Maybe I'm grasping at straws.  All I know is I will be avoiding riding downtown when their fucking taxis launch, which is a bummer as I enjoy riding down there on the occasional early weekend morning when no one is around but Waymos and hobos.  

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3 hours ago, royiv said:

The Trump Organization. You hate us, but not as much as you hate Spirit Airlines!

1 hour ago, Hefeweizen said:

Spirit ought to fucking sue.  I mean they have giant brawls at their airport counters and everything!

1 hour ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

I've said it before and I'll undoubtedly say it again - the bar right next to the Spirit gates at MSY is one of the best people-watching locations in the country. 

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22 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

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It’s wild that not a single person has ever died in a Spirit Airlines aviation accident. I’m sure plenty of people have died riding Spirit, but it sure wasn’t caused by a plane crash. 

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4 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

 

The fact that most of us crap on FSD has very little to do with Elon's antics (though it makes it funnier). We will say it again, the approach to autonomy that Elon has forced Tesla down using cameras only is not going to succeed in short order. No one questions that it CAN one day, but those who know understand ML and AI understand that right now you can't just operate with these limits. You need to have more sensor data. It does well enough for L2 Autonomy, but to hope to reach L3 or beyond you need Lidar and spatial awareness. 

 

And for you to ignore that we have said this OVER AND OVER AND OVER is being willfully ignorant.

It's really stupid to only use cameras. I imagine the new Y is going to be slightly better if they incorporate the bumper camera into FSD. It will need frequent cleaning (built in), but with 2 completely different angles, it should eliminate some of the shadows/ lines on roads issues. 

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4 hours ago, Captain Ron said:

And for you to ignore that we have said this OVER AND OVER AND OVER is being willfully ignorant.

Thank you for defining “willfully ignorant.”   That’s not what I’ve been doing in this thread.  
 

What I have been doing is pointing out when bad or questionable information is shared in this thread as fact.  
 

I’ve also stipulated many times that Tesla’s current approach to autonomous driving may not work.  Still waiting on the actual results rather than “expert” speculation/prognostication.

 

Meanwhile, Tesla vehicles have logged billions of miles in FSD and the predicted carnage on our roads still hasn’t happened.  

 

 

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4 hours ago, Samson's Wig said:

The point is, maybe we're thinking about this all wrong.  As shitty as Elon's FSD undoubtedly is, what may matter the most is if it's better than the shitty drivers who buy Teslas

Might explain Guadaloopy's obsession with FSD.

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There has to be some level of credit given to it as the only system not geofenced and generally pretty good. It drove me to the ER perfectly a few weeks ago when I was in horrible pain. I ended up almost dying and spending a week there. Then, it drove me home. 

Obviously I was alert and monitoring it the whole time. Musk deserves all the hate he gets but that doesn't change the fact that the non-cybertruck vehicles have the best software and app by a mile. They are still updating 7-year-old cars with new software and functional features. The supercharger network literally stands alone.

If only they were to figure out a way to oust him and hire an adult as CEO, they could get back to making damn good cars. 

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2 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

Thank you for defining “willfully ignorant.”   That’s not what I’ve been doing in this thread.  
 

What I have been doing is pointing out when bad or questionable information is shared in this thread as fact.  
 

I’ve also stipulated many times that Tesla’s current approach to autonomous driving may not work.  Still waiting on the actual results rather than “expert” speculation/prognostication.

 

Meanwhile, Tesla vehicles have logged billions of miles in FSD and the predicted carnage on our roads still hasn’t happened.  

 

 

 

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Yeah you are being willfully ignorant here. Many of us have cited the flaws with the vision only approach, many times and the lack of any autonomy beyond L2 from Tesla is more than proof enough that it is a failure. Waymo is well beyond them at L4 and millions of ride and hours of data utilizing an approach that most of us have cited is a sound one, for now. You put expert in quotes, but I will say this, with a degree in CS I have a damn good idea of just how far these companies are and are not in their approaches. And don't get me started in all this talk about AGI. This isn't speculation - it's having sound fundamentals in the topic and being able to make informed predictions based on it.

As far the carnage - that's debatable

https://www.tesladeaths.com/

especially with the forced NDAs.

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I gotta say Elon looks like absolute shit in this video, both in just pure look and then his answers. Just some examples if you want to delve into them

6:55 - His answer are just dumb to these questions. The terse YES to being asked if he took things personally was pretty silly. And the following the very next question with such a long attempt to look like he was giving it real thought was so dumb, to the point where he almost forced more questions.

24:15 - His follow up questions were dumb too, she is right that its not for her to answer and for him to put her on the spot was idiotic. And it goes into the next question

26:30 - He looks really foolish on this one. He is caught in a trap of his own creation. He can't answer the question in any sort of way because doggy is never going to get close to the cuts he mentioned. He was walking them back almost the moment he uttered them and to try to spin it just will not fly. I will say the interviewer is a touch flat footed on this one because she SHOULD have said "yes, it should have been immediate, you were talking about cutting the budget." And then to spin it on Congress :eyeroll:

 

 

 

And dude, get a razor, your triple chin pubes are gross.

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Tesla drivers are by far the most brainless and unaware on the Houston roads IMO. The next time I see one speed up will be the first time in years.  No difference between a Tesla driver and a 95 year old lady in a Lexus sedan at this point. 

 

 

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I was gonna say he actually looks healthier.  Lost some weight and got enough sun he doesn’t literally glow in the dark.

Again this goes back to the opportunity he’s blowing.  You own a car company that literally greater the genre.  Your satellite internet is changing the world.  You’ve had at least one 3 way with a movie star and an underwear model.  Just lean into that.  Close Twitter, take the write off, quit DOGE, move back to Austin and live the dream, Man.  Good Lord don’t be so stupid.

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1 hour ago, Parliament said:

move back to Austin and live the dream,

If I had his money, I’m on a yacht 9 months out of the year sailing around with a well-paid crew who all signed strict NDAs.  Austin would be way the hell down my list.

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3 hours ago, tbone_ said:

Hard to do that when you are addicted to being high off your own farts

Ketamine farts would probably fuck you up

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If I had his money, I’m on a yacht 9 months out of the year sailing around with a well-paid crew who all signed strict NDAs.  Austin would be way the hell down my list.

Same. I’d never really “work” another day in my life. I’d invest and do things that interest me but fuck the rest of that shit.
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1 hour ago, C-Man said:


Same. I’d never really “work” another day in my life. I’d invest and do things that interest me but fuck the rest of that shit.

Shit-talk on Surly more?  I know I would/will.

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On 5/23/2025 at 4:46 PM, totallynotabuttpirate said:

It's really stupid to only use cameras. I imagine the new Y is going to be slightly better if they incorporate the bumper camera into FSD. It will need frequent cleaning (built in), but with 2 completely different angles, it should eliminate some of the shadows/ lines on roads issues. 

You know who famously pushed Tesla into a  camera only future, to save money, right?

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https://www.drive.com.au/news/elon-musk-overruled-tesla-engineers-radars-cameras/

 

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Tesla engineers feared CEO Elon Musk’s decision to remove high-tech radars from the company’s electric cars and replace them with cameras would lead to a higher risk of crashes with its semi-autonomous driving systems, according to overseas reports.

US publication The Washington Post reports the request to ditch the Tesla’s radar technology – used to operate the car’s advanced driver assistance systems – and replace it with a camera-based system was ordered by Mr Musk, despite objections from the company’s engineers.

 

 

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While the relatively high costs of radar sensors compared to a camera-based system was attributed as the main reason behind the switch, Mr Musk believed cameras and computers would act more like a human’s eyes and brains which roads are designed for.

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However, several former Tesla engineers – speaking under the condition of anonymity – told The Washington Post they were worried the radarless system would be “susceptible to basic perception errors if the cameras were obscured by raindrops or even bright sunlight, problems that could lead to crashes.”

Despite their objections, Mr Musk overruled the engineers and requested Tesla Vision’s roll-out – which included disabling the radar systems already fitted to existing cars on the road.

 

 

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Posted
12 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

If I had his money, I’m on a yacht 9 months out of the year sailing around with a well-paid crew who all signed strict NDAs.  Austin would be way the hell down my list.

If I had his money, I'm buying the Yankees and Dodgers and running them in a way that make the Rockies look elite.

All home games first pitch at 10:30AM.  Major overhaul of uniforms to something that make the Padres City Connect kits look tame.  Trade Judge and Ohtani for some single-A bench-warmers and a 2033 18th round draft pick.

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2 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

If I had his money, I'm buying the Yankees and Dodgers and running them in a way that make the Rockies look elite.

All home games first pitch at 10:30AM.  Major overhaul of uniforms to something that make the Padres City Connect kits look tame.  Trade Judge and Ohtani for some single-A bench-warmers and a 2033 18th round draft pick.

Don't forget, throwing money at aggy to rename Pyle Field to Justin Tucker Field.

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11 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

If I had his money, I'm buying the Yankees and Dodgers and running them in a way that make the Rockies look elite.

All home games first pitch at 10:30AM.  Major overhaul of uniforms to something that make the Padres City Connect kits look tame.  Trade Judge and Ohtani for some single-A bench-warmers and a 2033 18th round draft pick.

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4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

That's so much better it's comical.

It would make a better base for an SUV than their current offerings.

If the CT has been a success, they probably would have made more variations of it.

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28 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Only sort of related - I drive a Ford. My daughter was in town recently, and one day we pulled up behind a Cybertruck with one of those "I got it before I knew he was a Nazi" bumper stickers. I laughed, and she said, "Yeah that's funny, but what would be really funny is if you got one of those stickers."

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4 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Only sort of related - I drive a Ford. My daughter was in town recently, and one day we pulled up behind a Cybertruck with one of those "I got it before I knew he was a Nazi" bumper stickers. I laughed, and she said, "Yeah that's funny, but what would be really funny is if you got one of those stickers."

Sharp kid. 

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24 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Sharp kid. 

She’s witty- when she was about 14 she was listening to my FIL sing Paul Ryan’s praises and when he said “and I like that he doesn’t have any skeletons in his closet,” she said 

“Or in his body!”

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1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

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Supposedly the ridgeline EV concept.

 

Why do all these vehicles look like a Subaru brat on steroids

Honda uses AI generated tires?

oh not AI, it says psychoform which can lead you here 

http://www.psychoform.com/htmlgallery/Honda Ridgeline Concept.htm

which the guy did this in a CAD program in 2020.  Can’t tell if it was Honda commissioned or not, but it’s listed under “personal works” on his main page. 

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On 5/23/2025 at 8:00 PM, Captain Ron said:

I gotta say Elon looks like absolute shit in this video, both in just pure look and then his answers. Just some examples if you want to delve into them

6:55 - His answer are just dumb to these questions. The terse YES to being asked if he took things personally was pretty silly. And the following the very next question with such a long attempt to look like he was giving it real thought was so dumb, to the point where he almost forced more questions.

24:15 - His follow up questions were dumb too, she is right that its not for her to answer and for him to put her on the spot was idiotic. And it goes into the next question

26:30 - He looks really foolish on this one. He is caught in a trap of his own creation. He can't answer the question in any sort of way because doggy is never going to get close to the cuts he mentioned. He was walking them back almost the moment he uttered them and to try to spin it just will not fly. I will say the interviewer is a touch flat footed on this one because she SHOULD have said "yes, it should have been immediate, you were talking about cutting the budget." And then to spin it on Congress :eyeroll:

 

 

 

And dude, get a razor, your triple chin pubes are gross.

This guy might be the second biggest douche bag in the country. It’s astonishing how much he has killed his personal brand just by being more accessible. 

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