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8 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Bama is a helmet school with a head to head win over a non-helmet school. Close to a 0% chance they are passing them over for South Carolina. 

 

I do agree though, I personally feel South Carolina deserves the spot. Also, if the championship games are viewed as essentially "extra" games, I could see an argument for a 2 loss SMU getting in over Bama. But I doubt it happens for the same reasons that South Carolina wont make it in over Bama.  

The acc gets zero benefit of the doubt from me. Go win that conference or at least don’t lose to BYU and get mouthy about wanting your way in. 
I think they’d probably be unlikely to go 9-3 against bamas schedule. Or South Carolinas. 
I do think they’d go 9-3 or better against our schedule. Maybe not. But it wouldn’t surprise me. 

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14 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

The acc gets zero benefit of the doubt from me. Go win that conference or at least don’t lose to BYU and get mouthy about wanting your way in. 
I think they’d probably be unlikely to go 9-3 against bamas schedule. Or South Carolinas. 
I do think they’d go 9-3 or better against our schedule. Maybe not. But it wouldn’t surprise me. 

The format needs tweaking because if SMU wins we are the 3 seed - if we lose we potentially fall past 12. That doesn't make a ton of sense.

If Clemson wins and BSU wins then BSU is the 3, the B12 winner likely gets the 4 seed and Clemson is maybe on the road to start their playoff?

I guess it's just one season - maybe it will be a bit more clear cut going forward. The SEC and B12 eating themselves alive has made a lot of it weird. 

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27 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Also, if the championship games are viewed as essentially "extra" games, I could see an argument for a 2 loss SMU getting in over Bama. But I doubt it happens for the same reasons that South Carolina wont make it in over Bama.  

11-2 SMU should absolutely make it in over 9-3 'Bama. Losses to unranked Vandy and blOU look far worse than losses to #17 BYU and #18 Clemson.

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1 minute ago, satyanash said:

11-2 SMU should absolutely make it in over 9-3 'Bama. Losses to unranked Vandy and blOU look far worse than losses to #17 BYU and #18 Clemson.

This situation is highly likely to occur so I think we will see the Bama vs SMU discussion put to the test

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All of this is easier of course if SMU fucks Clemson's shit up. 

I don't think Miami deserves an at-large. They played a relatively tame ACC slate and lost 2 of their 8 games and could have lost 2 more.

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4 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I don't think Miami deserves an at-large. They played a relatively tame ACC slate and lost 2 of their 8 games and could have lost 2 more.


It would seem the AP agrees, with them down to 14. Will the CFP follow?

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2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

All of this is easier of course if SMU fucks Clemson's shit up. 

I don't think Miami deserves an at-large. They played a relatively tame ACC slate and lost 2 of their 8 games and could have lost 2 more.

Correct, Miami will not get in. I view the championship games as half a loss and the committee alluded to the fact they would view it that way since it is an extra game. SMU would essentially have 1.5 losses to Bama's 3. Even with the SEC boost Bama will get, I think SMU deserves the spot. But I still think it is advantage Bama because of their viewership and name. We will see. 

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I'd have:

In (8): Texas, Notre Dame, Oregon, Indiana, Ohio State, Penn State, Georgia, Tennessee

Win and in (3): SMU/Clemson, Iowa State/Arizona State, Boise State/UNLV

Alabama last in.
 

Gonna be honest though that last spot is a doozy:

Alabama would be favored over the other last-spot teams, but they struggle to sustain drives so are pretty erratic offensively.   Then, when teams can run on them, they can really run on them.  And they don't seem to be getting any better as the season went on.

SMU probably has the best last-spot resume even if they lose, but they just ain't a top 10 team and would struggle to beat a top 10 team.

One could argue USCe is playing their best football right now.  They also have a good defense and QB, so are fairly balanced and capable of beating good teams.  Really hard to say they has a better season than Bama, though - and the head-to-head.

Miami is all offense so could potentially beat anyone but also could lose to anyone.  However. I have a feeling they would run into these playoff defenses and just get pummeled.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

Yes, they are. Right now I’d have them ranked about right where they are. At 8. Their only two ranked matchups they played they won by a 41-26 average score. They’ve played a lot of Top 40ish teams and beat them convincingly. I’d love to see them play Bama or Tenn this year. Clemson is good, not great, and will tell us a lot. 

SMU and Bama are 9 and 10 in my rankings right now.  SMU earned that spot playing a good season and beatign teams consistently, and Bama did it by having all the hallmarks of a good team (even if fairly erratically good) despite them losing too often.

However, if SMU loses to Clemson, it helps to reinforce the the idea that they are just a good bubble team and I don't think the resume is still good enough to favor them over Bama.  I do not expect SMU to lose, fwiw.

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Posted (edited)
25 minutes ago, JBJ said:

but they just ain't a top 10 team and would struggle to beat a top 10 team.

That's pretty disrespectful unless you think the ACC is just total dogshit.

GaTech didn't have any trouble hanging with a "top 10 team". 

Clemson lost but played a very good SCAR team about dead even.

SMU beat #13 FPI Louisville on the road. Beat the dogshit out of #37 FPI TCU, #50 Cal and #51 Pitt - won a pretty tough game against #47 BC. The only WTF game was @Duke and they just finished 9-3.

At some point you have to get credit for winning games. If you don't include Indiana getting molested in Columbus we've played a better schedule than they have. 

Sagarin - fwiw - doesn't have one team in the country giving a full TD against SMU.

Ohio State and Georgia have fucked around and lost against worse teams than SMU. Notre Dame and PSU just straight up don't scare me. 

Need to back all of that up this weekend but I think we will. We're more dynamic than anyone Clemson has seen all season save maybe UGA - but I like our QB and skill position talent better. 

Clemson is a solid fuckin team though. Won't be a gimme. 

Also - SMU is better than it's season metrics. The team from the first 3 games where Preston Stone was trading series with Jennings is not the same team that we've seen against TCU and in the ACC.

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I will also say that I don't think we "deserve" a spot if we lose to Clemson - but I'm not the one making the call. I don't think #11 or #12 would be some heinous end of season ranking. I think we are better than Indiana and did more with our season than Bama - but I'm not going to cry if those 2 jump us.

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4 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Let’s be honest. You’ll cry. 

Maybe after the game. Not after the rankings reveal.

SMU needs to treat this like a ro16 playoff game. That's basically what it is. When you lose in the playoff you don't advance to the next round. 🤷‍♂️

Posted
1 hour ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Correct, Miami will not get in. I view the championship games as half a loss and the committee alluded to the fact they would view it that way since it is an extra game. SMU would essentially have 1.5 losses to Bama's 3. Even with the SEC boost Bama will get, I think SMU deserves the spot. But I still think it is advantage Bama because of their viewership and name. We will see. 

There is a zero percent chance of Bama getting snubbed for an 11-2 SMU. Zero. You guys batting this notion around haven’t been paying attention.  Time and again, the committees have gone out of their ways to fuck over any and all contenders for a SEC helmet team, particularly Bama. 

SMU brings nothing to the table over big brands with large audiences. They also do not deserve any form of benefit or the doubt. Beat Clemson or go get fucked. 

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3 hours ago, ztejas said:

We'll see what the committee does but it's like that loss for tOSU didn't really matter. 

It seems like the new dynamic is if you are B1G or SEC Loss column then eye test. UNLESS you are new money like Indiana with a shitty SOS.  Then ACC and then Big 12 based on loss column then eye test.  SMU will have some "new money" negative bias.  SOS seems to mean shitall to people again.  it is pretty funny.  all this discussion and it still comes down to loss column and eye test (which include conference strength eye test) to separate equivalent loss column.

one caveat on loss column is the bias only exists for one loss difference between B1G/SEC and ACC/Big 12.  Basically B1G/SEC teams get a mulligan. 

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I'm very curious to see how the committee treats CCG losses when seeding. Like would Texas or PSU drop below ND who doesn't have to play one? Seems dumb if so, but I bet they would.

If so, making the CCG and losing is 100% worse than not making it at all. Not only for seeding but also because you get one fewer week off to rest up and heal. 

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43 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

There is a zero percent chance of Bama getting snubbed for an 11-2 SMU. Zero. You guys batting this notion around haven’t been paying attention.  Time and again, the committees have gone out of their ways to fuck over any and all contenders for a SEC helmet team, particularly Bama. 

SMU brings nothing to the table over big brands with large audiences. They also do not deserve any form of benefit or the doubt. Beat Clemson or go get fucked. 

FWIW Finebaum thinks the SEC only gets 3 teams - Texas, UGA, and Tennessee.

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There is a zero percent chance of Bama getting snubbed for an 11-2 SMU. Zero. You guys batting this notion around haven’t been paying attention.  Time and again, the committees have gone out of their ways to fuck over any and all contenders for a SEC helmet team, particularly Bama. 
SMU brings nothing to the table over big brands with large audiences. They also do not deserve any form of benefit or the doubt. Beat Clemson or go get fucked. 

Pretty much this. The committee can simply point to last year and say “yea you hated on us putting them in 4th last year and then they were down on the goalline one play away from knocking out the eventual champion in an enormously entertaining and highly watched semifinal”

Should that be the thought process is debatable but to CTJs point the committee have a history that’s backed up by results.
Posted

Hasn't the committee already come out and said that teams wouldn't be punished for what happens on championship weekend? If so, I would take that to mean that SMU is in, win or lose, over bammer.

Posted
Just now, Lou_Sassle said:

Hasn't the committee already come out and said that teams wouldn't be punished for what happens on championship weekend? If so, I would take that to mean that SMU is in, win or lose, over bammer.

I think that was mostly Sankey and subservient talking heads saying that, IIRC.

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20 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

I'm very curious to see how the committee treats CCG losses when seeding. Like would Texas or PSU drop below ND who doesn't have to play one? Seems dumb if so, but I bet they would.

If so, making the CCG and losing is 100% worse than not making it at all. Not only for seeding but also because you get one fewer week off to rest up and heal. 

Should probably win it then

Posted
12 minutes ago, The Dog said:

FWIW Finebaum thinks the SEC only gets 3 teams - Texas, UGA, and Tennessee.

I feel like he’s always poor-mouthing though. 

I will say, I would be highly entertained by seeing the SEC get snubbed a 4th team. The hue and cry from these idiot-laced fanbases would be glorious. 

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Posted (edited)
18 minutes ago, Lou_Sassle said:

Hasn't the committee already come out and said that teams wouldn't be punished for what happens on championship weekend? If so, I would take that to mean that SMU is in, win or lose, over bammer.

I tend to think of these rankings as pure entertainment, until the final rankings. The committee has been known to throw curve balls in the last rankings. I can’t imagine the ACC getting 2 teams in, especially a 2 loss private school. Though I would laugh my ass off if SMU got in before A&M

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Just now, Codaxx said:

I tend to think of these rankings as pure entertainment, until the final rankings. The committee has been known to throw curve balls in the last rankings. I can’t imagine the ACC getting 2 teams in 

I think the CCG loser can play their way out if they get blown out badly. But I think most will be fine in the end. The CCG should be your opportunity to earn a bye, not miss out (assuming you’re not a 9-4 or 8-5 type team after the CCG loss)

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Agreed that only the final rankings mean anything but the committee will almost certainly want to set things up now. If Alabama is going to go instead of Miami, for example, they have to be ahead of them this week. One team that doesn't play jumping another team that doesn't play will be a huge controversy. Sure they could try to say "well now Alabama's win is over the SEC champions" but it would be a lot easier just to avoid that controversy altogether and decide now who will be ahead out of those two teams.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Left Coast said:

Fuck it.

UT wins the SEC

Oregon wins the B1G

Arizona St wins the Big XII

SMU wins the ACC

 

Welcome to realignment bitches!

Is UNLV in if they knock off Boise?

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58 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I feel like he’s always poor-mouthing though. 

I will say, I would be highly entertained by seeing the SEC get snubbed a 4th team. The hue and cry from these idiot-laced fanbases would be glorious. 

For context - this was on Barrie’s show discussing the three current three-loss SEC teams (Bama, USCe, and Ole Miss.)

All three have their warts, so Pawl thinks the committee just excludes all three just to avoid any debate should it come down to those and one other non-SEC team such as SMU (were they to lose to Clemson.)

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Something to watch for Tuesday is whether or not Duke is ranked. If they are, then it's something that they could potentially point to with SMU 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Fud said:

Something to watch for Tuesday is whether or not Duke is ranked. If they are, then it's something that they could potentially point to with SMU 

Duke ranked and aggy not would be glorious 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

whoever the 5 seed is I think I'd like for them to destroy both the 12 and the "4" so we can potentially get to just ranking 1-12.

If the 5 is Notre Dame, which it very well may be. They will probably lose to the 12 outright. 

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3 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

If the 5 is Notre Dame, which it very well may be. They will probably lose to the 12 outright. 

But what if the fans are really polite, "loud," and do a bunch of weird swaying and cheers they practiced the night before?

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17 minutes ago, The Dog said:

For context - this was on Barrie’s show discussing the three current three-loss SEC teams (Bama, USCe, and Ole Miss.)

All three have their warts, so Pawl thinks the committee just excludes all three just to avoid any debate should it come down to those and one other non-SEC team such as SMU (were they to lose to Clemson.)

It is possible.  would be great if Clemson wins and it is all 0,1,2 loss teams with Clemson, UNLV.  and Miami at 10-2, 3 loss SEC teams out.  the howling will be at 11. 

Posted
14 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

SMU should have lost to Duke. They're not as good as their record would suggest. If they lose to Clemson I don't want them in the playoff.

I want SMU to keep Miami out.

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Has this been discussed yet? I almost feel they should definitely snub Ole Miss now. I agree with Finnebaum, only Texas, Georgia, and Tennessee should get in. Hence why I also feel 12 is too many teams. Bama losing to OU and only getting a FG should be disqualifying enough. 

 

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Posted
2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

I feel like he’s always poor-mouthing though. 

I will say, I would be highly entertained by seeing the SEC get snubbed a 4th team. The hue and cry from these idiot-laced fanbases would be glorious. 

Would probably push them into adding two more programs to further stretch the schedule to big10 levels, so there can be a bunch of 1 loss sec teams every year. 

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Texas

Georgia

Tennessee

South Carolina

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Oregon

Ohio State

Indiana

maybe pedo state if they keep it close with Oregon

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Notre Dame
SMU

Boise St

Arizona State I guess

 

 

but they will probably fuck over a deserving South Carolina team in favor of Alabama 

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