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On 6/24/2025 at 7:56 AM, Derka said:

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This one right here is so incredibly cruel and low. This man needs to be brought back the 2nd that fascism is destroyed here and given the ability to be part of the tribunal that will convict the people who did this. You DO NOT mess with a veteran that put their life on the line for all of us. He’s more American than any of these racist clowns.

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This one right here is so incredibly cruel and low. This man needs to be brought back the 2nd that fascism is destroyed here and given the ability to be part of the tribunal that will convict the people who did this. You DO NOT mess with a veteran that put their life on the line for all of us. He’s more American than any of these racist clowns.

Why not? They don’t give a fuck and our military is full of people that want this.
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This week I have started seeing signs posted on windows of many businesses in East LA that say "ICE not allowed on the premises without a signed warrant." Does that legally mean anything?

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9 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:

This week I have started seeing signs posted on windows of many businesses in East LA that say "ICE not allowed on the premises without a signed warrant." Does that legally mean anything?

I'm not a lawyer, but the way I've read it is that to enter into any private residence or business, ICE is absolutely required to have a signed judicial warrant.

But:

Picking people up off the streets does not require one, because they can operate under an administrative warrant, which only requires "probable cause" (i.e., being brown in public).

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22 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:

This week I have started seeing signs posted on windows of many businesses in East LA that say "ICE not allowed on the premises without a signed warrant." Does that legally mean anything?


I have a similar sign posted above our office suit door on campus. 
 

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8 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Anyone else remember last fall when MAGA lost its shit because police came into a guy’s apartment and took away his stupid ass squirrel?  Now entire families get taken away and nbd. 

lol wut, no, I don't remember that.

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2 hours ago, Zepol87 said:

This week I have started seeing signs posted on windows of many businesses in East LA that say "ICE not allowed on the premises without a signed warrant." Does that legally mean anything?

A business can ban them from private areas of their premises but if they are open to the public, ICE can go into any public space. 

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What would the criminal charge be for people that started carrying tire valve removers and when ICE shows up they use them so they would not be able to drive away? It’s nonviolent and would make it impossible for them to operate.

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28 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

A business can ban them from private areas of their premises but if they are open to the public, ICE can go into any public space. 

Could the owners declare them to be private clubs?

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I read this thread regularly and every time I get ragey.  At some point, this shit is going to come here and I’m not really certain how I’m going to react.  
 

Watching that 60+ year old white dude cosplaying as an ICE agent just enraged me.  I want to literally beat someone’s ass if it happens anywhere near me. 
 

I do also drive by the Pflugerville ice facility weekly and flip them the bird while calling them all fucking losers.  
 

sorry - needed to vent 

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42 minutes ago, tx ind said:

What would the criminal charge be for people that started carrying tire valve removers and when ICE shows up they use them so they would not be able to drive away? It’s nonviolent and would make it impossible for them to operate.

Not sure what the charges are but I would go with tire irons. Loosen a bunch of lug nuts and if necessary you know

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27 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

I mean I assume if you start messing with their car they’re going to shoot you in the face

Hell, they threatened to shoot a guy for filming their license plate.

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3 hours ago, Satchel said:

I don’t like these people:

 

First name Madonna, second name ends in -ian. I'm guessing that even though Iranian, she's an ethnic Armenian Christian who has a real good reason to avoid mullahs. And that ICE will tard it all up.

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3 hours ago, Satchel said:

Could the owners declare them to be private clubs?

I don’t think so because it’s public to the members of the club. I’m speaking of typically what most would think of as the back of the house where a business owner can prohibit. 
Don’t rely on it but I would think that if a business was closed, they could require a warrant to enter what is a public space when the business is open. 

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6 hours ago, bolverk said:

I'm not a lawyer, but the way I've read it is that to enter into any private residence or business, ICE is absolutely required to have a signed judicial warrant.

But:

Picking people up off the streets does not require one, because they can operate under an administrative warrant, which only requires "probable cause" (i.e., being brown in public).

That is correct.  The ordinary immigration warrant does not entitle officers to enter onto private property to execute the warrant/arrest.

Both "judicial warrants," those in compliance with the 4th Amendment and that permit entry onto private property and seizure of private property, and "administrative warrants" are issued on the basis of probable cause.

However, a judicial warrant is issued on a peace officer's sworn affidavit or sworn testimony before a judge, or a magistrate appointed by a judge, so the showing is a bit more rigorous.

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4 hours ago, Satchel said:

Could the owners declare them to be private clubs?

Most private business premises are private property.  However, those that don't own it, like employees and patrons, are "invitees" who are guests of the owners for certain purposes.  A lot of businesses are open to invitees who just need to walk in the door.

A business wouldn't have to change it's "character," but it would have to restrict those whom it invites or permits onto the premises.  So, yeah, in that sense, a "private club," members only, with an invitation, etc.

If a private business lets any member of the public enter, then officers can go there too.  If it is restricted, then I believe they can deny entry to officers.

If it's "public entry" for everyone but officers, that may be a little too cute.  But, I think an owner is entitled to close up shop whenever they want.

 

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28 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Most private business premises are private property.  However, those that don't own it, like employees and patrons, are "invitees" who are guests of the owners for certain purposes.  A lot of businesses are open to invitees who just need to walk in the door.

A business wouldn't have to change it's "character," but it would have to restrict those whom it invites or permits onto the premises.  So, yeah, in that sense, a "private club," members only, with an invitation, etc.

If a private business lets any member of the public enter, then officers can go there too.  If it is restricted, then I believe they can deny entry to officers.

If it's "public entry" for everyone but officers, that may be a little too cute.  But, I think an owner is entitled to close up shop whenever they want.

 

How about posting “no masks allowed” signs?

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How is it that conservatives can be perfectly okay with unidentified masked goons disappearing brown people without due process when they lost their collective shit over perceived lawless government overreach and abuse with Cliven Bundy, Ruby Ridge and Waco?

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

That is correct.  The ordinary immigration warrant does not entitle officers to enter onto private property to execute the warrant/arrest.

Both "judicial warrants," those in compliance with the 4th Amendment and that permit entry onto private property and seizure of private property, and "administrative warrants" are issued on the basis of probable cause.

However, a judicial warrant is issued on a peace officer's sworn affidavit or sworn testimony before a judge, or a magistrate appointed by a judge, so the showing is a bit more rigorous.

Probably why I haven’t heard of construction site issues.

That and the fact ice would probably get throttled rolling up on a site and trying to take the stucco crew.

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10 hours ago, Satchel said:

How is it that conservatives can be perfectly okay with unidentified masked goons disappearing brown people without due process when they lost their collective shit over perceived lawless government overreach and abuse with Cliven Bundy, Ruby Ridge and Waco?

Because republicans are disingenuous cunts.

It’s in their DNA. I recognized this immediately when I moved to dallas in the early 90’s. Always talking free market while at the same time the wright amendment existed. 

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10 hours ago, Upgrayedd said:

Probably why I haven’t heard of construction site issues.

That and the fact ice would probably get throttled rolling up on a site and trying to take the stucco crew.


you serious, clark?

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted
14 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Most private business premises are private property.  However, those that don't own it, like employees and patrons, are "invitees" who are guests of the owners for certain purposes.  A lot of businesses are open to invitees who just need to walk in the door.

A business wouldn't have to change it's "character," but it would have to restrict those whom it invites or permits onto the premises.  So, yeah, in that sense, a "private club," members only, with an invitation, etc.

If a private business lets any member of the public enter, then officers can go there too.  If it is restricted, then I believe they can deny entry to officers.

If it's "public entry" for everyone but officers, that may be a little too cute.  But, I think an owner is entitled to close up shop whenever they want.

 

But any business can deny service to anyone they choose.  Can they not deny access to anyone they choose?

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Dude, this is where we had to pick up our mail for a couple of months after the fires.  Fuck this guy.  No way I leave.  I let him put hands on me and then engage counsel.

 

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1 minute ago, Sbbruin said:

Dude, this is where we had to pick up our mail for a couple of months after the fires.  Fuck this guy.  No way I leave.  I let him put hands on me and then engage counsel.

 

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2 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Dude, this is where we had to pick up our mail for a couple of months after the fires.  Fuck this guy.  No way I leave.  I let him put hands on me and then engage counsel.

 

It would have been better if he had pulled a sting operation with a body camera and walked up asking if they needed any help and then gotten their dumbasses to divulge who they were actually with and what their objectives were. 

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2 hours ago, GenXer said:


you serious, clark?

 

 

 

 

 

This is going to work out well when we are trying to rebuild over 6,500 homes and 3,000 commercial properties in Altadena at the same time, all while under the specter of ICE raids.

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10 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Dude, this is where we had to pick up our mail for a couple of months after the fires.  Fuck this guy.  No way I leave.  I let him put hands on me and then engage counsel.

 

Question about the now quaint Rule of Law:

would CA being a 2-party consent state apply here?

 

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10 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

This is going to work out well when we are trying to rebuild over 6,500 homes and 3,000 commercial properties in Altadena at the same time, all while under the specter of ICE raids.

Don't worry, any day now you'll be inundated with fat, diabetic magats from Ohio and West Virginia ready to put in months of 12 hr days now that the illegals aren't stealing their jobs! 

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3 hours ago, GenXer said:


you serious, clark?

 

 

 

 

 

Point taken.  I can tell you that SoCal construction has not been brought to a standstill due to ice (I could point to half dozen other factors)



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