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39 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Well, of course, their requests for subsidies was not Paraguayan in and of it is as it were the United States government would never have if the president, our president, had not and as far as I know that's the way it will always be. Is that clear?

Lol. I just watched this last night. For some reason it popped up on my YouTubeTV suggestion list and I hadn't seen it in forever. Some... wrong.. mic..

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11 hours ago, TexArcher said:

IDF is saying that several senior Iranian military commanders and senior nuclear scientists have been eliminated in the strikes.

"This is war.  The Middle East is entering a whole new phase that we've never seen before in the region."  -- Barak Ravid, analyst

Same guy: they anticipate ballistic missile response, but much wider, potentially enough to overwhelm missile defenses.

Earlier guy said the ballistic missiles can get from Tehran to Israel in 13 minutes.  So, response may be very fast.

Kaitlin Collins just credited the guy named above as one of the foremost experts in the region.

"Hamas was hiding there." = We'll blow up everything in Gaza until the place is depopulated by military action, famine, or hopelessness.

"There were generals and nuclear scientists operating out of those Iranian hospitals." = Well, you know the drill.

 

I wouldn't lift a finger to help Israel until they are pushed back into their original borders. Gonna run out of thousand pound bombs and spare parts for your jets? Fuck you. Need satelite intelligence? Fuck you. Air defenses inadequate to keep your population from having the Gaza experience? I hate it, but fuck you. Enjoy your little war, fuckwad.

Trump will claim "credit" for all of this if it's successful. I think it's more the vicarious thrill of having your army smash other people than policy. He's that much of a monster.

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Posted
11 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

Can anybody do the Liucci dick process on this video?

Okay, I'll stop responding to every message on here. I cannot say how much I hate being associated with the actions of a brutal regime. I guess that goes for both Israel and the US.

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Posted
1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The line is that we were aware but not involved. 
 

 

 

I've known your wife was cheating on you for YEARS but I never fucked her, so I'm hoping we can stay friends! 

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1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:


Israeli response: you’re going down with us, bestie.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-857590


Israeli official to 'Post': 'There was full and complete coordination with the Americans'

Like, of course. I don't know why people would even entertain the idea we weren't involved. This kind of shit does not happen without our approval, or without our weapons, period. The notion that Israel can do this without us is laughable.

e: That isn't to say their Air Force isn't well trained and well equipped and very capable, but like come on think about it for more than a few seconds.

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Posted
9 hours ago, westexhorn said:

Since Israel is doing it right now mine as well wish they do a thorough job so no more worries with nukes.  They are decapitating the entire Iranian military leadership as we speak as well.  But oil could be proper proper fucked if Iran decides to go batshit all around the area.

Decapitating the military leadership, it seems to me, doesn't really have much longterm effect unless you are planning to engage that military right now on a broad front. The decapitation through air attack strategy doesn't seem to ever work otherwise. It's mostly a PR and fig leaf tactic it seems to me.

It's likely it's the last reason, but it could portend of a more general attack through continued aerial bombardment or maybe navy then, somehow, army. I don't know how Israel could engage Iran on the ground. That's probably a good thing considering the size of Iran's military (I assume it's still big).

It would be so strange in the course of my lifetime to go from seeing Israel as heroic to wishing them defeated. Their Gaza crimes merit defeat.

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Posted
8 hours ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

The IAF is able to operate in Iranian airspace with impunity. The issue is payload. The largest US non nuclear bunker buster weighs 30k pounds. That requires a strategic bomber, and the IAF doesn’t have any. 

We'll sell 'em one for six dollars all fueled and loaded. We'll even locate the mercenary crew to fly it for them. They will continue to get everything they need from us. Biden didn't stop it; you know Dotard won't.

And thanks, Bobby, for the info.

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6 minutes ago, victory88 said:

.  I’m not putting up an American flag outside my house this 4th of July.  Most people I see constantly celebrating the flag now are racists, sexists, homophobics.  I don’t want to be associated with them and what our flag symbolizes  now.

But God bless everyone!  We are Christians!  We love everyone!   Sorry for the rant but I feel like I’m living in a fucking crazy made up world that this shit is happening and everyone is just sitting quietly and not speaking up about it.

You can hang the flag upside down like a Supreme Court justice would do.

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Posted
3 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

Extremely important Threads post about how Trump made a disastrous mistake in dumping the previous nuclear deal because they can no longer keep sanctions on Iran. They run out in October and the U.S. is powerless to stop it. Iran hasn’t  been negotiating with the US at all. They’ve just been waiting for the clock to run out. 
 

https://www.threads.com/@anmonck/post/DK1UvTaKbZ0?xmt=AQF0eb1M9R9g-SAh6u8ND2DoDhzUcct8xl3cYl5S8vdGcQ

Killing this deal was absolute insanity. I posted about it in the DT thread, but Iran was abiding by it and they even kept trying to abide by it after Trump tore the deal up for no goddamn reason and then started trying to rebuild it because he didn't want the black guy to have the credit.

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I won't pretend I can speak for the diaspora, but a lot of Iranians outside of Iran are good with Israel's attacks at the moment. Not sure that eliminating military officials will get it done...it's the mullahs that run the country. 

They are so desperate for regime change that any action is good action. I'm not holding my breath this works out. 

 

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Imagine how bad things would be if we had neocons running things, luckily we have moved on to a more grounded and stabilizing foreign policy.

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LOL, his whole campaign was that everyone else’s inability to make deals is weakness, now this beta bitch is crying that the other side won’t agree. He said he could make all the deals and is admitting he can’t. Not that it matters to his cuck brigade in congress. 

From reading through stuff I think we obviously knew it was gonna happen but there’s no way dotard asked for it or even supported it, the threat of it was the leverage, and now he looks weak as fuck, at least to anyone who matters. Jim Bob Bitchboy from Bearshit, Alabammer will worship him no matter what, but world leaders are more and more resolved that he’s got nothing but ragetweets and that stupidly long tie. That’s all he is to them anymore. Good job everyone, you elected a weak limp dick moron, keep sucking that mushroom though, because pronouns or some stupid shit.

 

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2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I won't pretend I can speak for the diaspora, but a lot of Iranians outside of Iran are good with Israel's attacks at the moment. Not sure that eliminating military officials will get it done...it's the mullahs that run the country. 

They are so desperate for regime change that any action is good action. I'm not holding my breath this works out. 

 

Regime change is definitely needed but if it's facilitated by us, then whoever takes their place will likely be as bad or worse for the people of Iran.

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1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I won't pretend I can speak for the diaspora, but a lot of Iranians outside of Iran are good with Israel's attacks at the moment. Not sure that eliminating military officials will get it done...it's the mullahs that run the country. 

They are so desperate for regime change that any action is good action. I'm not holding my breath this works out. 

 

Nothing unifies a country more than attacking it. We jabber about Americans coming together whenever we cook up a reason to invade (liberate! just like France!) another country; it works both ways.

We're idiots. So are they.

Would you rally behind the European Union if they launched a major airstrike against the US? Killed lots of civilians? 

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Unless they’re ready to reverse 1979, if they self determine their own new regime it’s still gonna be a bunch of fundamentalist assholes so I don’t see why we should give a shit other than trying to avoid the spread of end games nuclear war.

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4 minutes ago, 'stache said:

LOL, his whole campaign is that everyone else’s inability to make deals is weakness, now this beta bitch is crying that the other side won’t agree. He said he could make all the deals and is admitting he can’t. Not that it matters to his cuck brigade in congress. 

That's a really great point. His leverage in the private sector was threatening not to pay. Brilliant!

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1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

Regime change is definitely needed but if it's facilitated by us, then whoever takes their place will likely be as bad or worse for the people of Iran.

I totally agree. The revolution has been talked about for decades but never happened. I don't know the details but clearly they aren't organized enough to do it themselves. 

I'm just saying I think the vast majority of the diaspora are pleased this is happening. From my experience they've been mostly sympathetic or supportive of Trump from the beginning. But to be fair, they would have supported Obama doing this too IMO. 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Would you rally behind the European Union if they launched a major airstrike against the US? Killed lots of civilians? 

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Posted
34 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

And all of those Republicans who wanted to stop wasting money on defending Ukraine are going to be very okay with spending a lot more to defend the birthplace of White Jesus.

This is very, very true.  All the "no more endless war!" and "why should we spend money supporting another military?" types will suddenly do a 180.  Because dominionism, end-times prophecies, and other stupidity.

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35 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

We'll sell 'em one for six dollars all fueled and loaded. We'll even locate the mercenary crew to fly it for them. They will continue to get everything they need from us. Biden didn't stop it; you know Dotard won't.

And thanks, Bobby, for the info.

We may step in directly, or, they may go the Top Gun Maverick route and keep dropping the heaviest penetrators they can carry until the hole is deep enough to do the trick. Destroying the surface structures and any entrances and exits to the underground facilities may suffice for now. I think the initial denials were to stave off any immediate retaliatory attacks on US assets while the Iranian military still had first world military means to do so, but it’s clear as day we’ve been neck deep in this, and there’s not a chance that two surprise drone attacks on strategic targets in separate countries using the same tactics were developed independently. 

Either way, regardless of your politics, heads up and eyes open for the foreseeable future. 

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Posted
17 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Israeli ambassador just now:

The pleasure of dealing with this president right now is he says what he means and he means what he says. 
 

Holy shit.

He doesn’t know President Taco like we know President Taco.

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Posted
46 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

We may step in directly, or, they may go the Top Gun Maverick route and keep dropping the heaviest penetrators they can carry until the hole is deep enough to do the trick. Destroying the surface structures and any entrances and exits to the underground facilities may suffice for now. I think the initial denials were to stave off any immediate retaliatory attacks on US assets while the Iranian military still had first world military means to do so, but it’s clear as day we’ve been neck deep in this, and there’s not a chance that two surprise drone attacks on strategic targets in separate countries using the same tactics were developed independently. 

Either way, regardless of your politics, heads up and eyes open for the foreseeable future. 

I imagine suicide mujahadeen are pretty amped up now. Thank goodness we have a brilliant persons in charge of Homeland Security and the FBI!

Posted
1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I won't pretend I can speak for the diaspora, but a lot of Iranians outside of Iran are good with Israel's attacks at the moment. Not sure that eliminating military officials will get it done...it's the mullahs that run the country. 

They are so desperate for regime change that any action is good action. I'm not holding my breath this works out. 

anecdotal confirmation: there is a small persian enclave spread around north texas; they've been emigrating to the us since '78 and some families are now 3 generations deep; they universally want a secular 'western' society not run by clergy and not dedicated to eliminating israel by proxy

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6 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

anecdotal confirmation: there is a small persian enclave spread around north texas; they've been emigrating to the us since '78 and some families are now 3 generations deep; they universally want a secular 'western' society not run by clergy and not dedicated to eliminating israel by proxy

I first read this as “small person enclave” and thought “what the hell does that have to do with Iran?”

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Posted (edited)
12 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Yes, Rex is right. There is a 0% chance this happens without the go-ahead from the US government. No shot whatsoever.

I don't give a shit what Bitch Boy Rubio says

 

12 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

or, Israel is smart enough to know that Trump can't be trusted so they didn't say shit.  Bibi tells Trump, Trump tells Putin, Putin tells Iran.  That's what would have happened. 

 

10 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

yeah, that's how it was for decades.  Before we had a complete moron as POTUS.    I'm staying put where I am.  Nobody is gonna tell Dotard shit about fuck, because he's a fucking total idiot and he cannot be trusted. 

 

Dotard gave it away yesterday.  Our OPSEC is so good that everyone knew that Trump/Hegseth/Rubio gave the order for all US Personnel in the region to leave before the strikes. Then he says that "Iran cannot have nuclear"

 

 

12 hours ago, 6th Street said:

How could Biden let this happen???

 

This is the real question.

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Posted
1 hour ago, victory88 said:

I’m not sitting here saying Iran should have freedom to build nukes.  But it should be very clear that we as a country are the world bully and use murder and war to get what we want.  It’s now creeping domestically.  

Enjoyed your entire post. I think this part is particularly salient.  The techniques and methods we use to destabilize other regions and put in the puppets we want eventually come back home to roost.  I don't want anyone I know, and that includes all of you here, to suffer.  But it is coming and as an entity is completely deserved.

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Posted
3 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

Decapitating the military leadership, it seems to me, doesn't really have much longterm effect unless you are planning to engage that military right now on a broad front. The decapitation through air attack strategy doesn't seem to ever work otherwise. It's mostly a PR and fig leaf tactic it seems to me.

It's likely it's the last reason, but it could portend of a more general attack through continued aerial bombardment or maybe navy then, somehow, army. I don't know how Israel could engage Iran on the ground. That's probably a good thing considering the size of Iran's military (I assume it's still big).

It would be so strange in the course of my lifetime to go from seeing Israel as heroic to wishing them defeated. Their Gaza crimes merit defeat.

Seems like it would only be devastating if the top leadership had spent a lot of time on plans that their subordinates couldn't step in and execute. General types are more or less fungible.

1 hour ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

Enjoyed your entire post. I think this part is particularly salient.  The techniques and methods we use to destabilize other regions and put in the puppets we want eventually come back home to roost.  I don't want anyone I know, and that includes all of you here, to suffer.  But it is coming and as an entity is completely deserved.

You're a better person than me. I want a lot of people I know to suffer.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I didn't think I'd need to point out the utter delusion that there would be no response, and yep, I was right.

Who said there would be no response??

Posted
Just now, TexArcher said:

Who said there would be no response??

Been said several times over this thread and the DT one that the Iranian military would be in too much disarray to respond unless I am reading that wrong

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Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Been said several times over this thread and the DT one that the Iranian military would be in too much disarray to respond unless I am reading that wrong

Well, the response is likely hampered by their command losses, but they were always going to do something as fast as possible.

They're probably also holding back, knowing that it's gonna be back-and-forth for at least a few nights.

Reports that seven have gotten through.  You can clearly see two that hit in Tel Aviv on the video, and it looks like they hit apartment buildings.  Probably not a wise target. 

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2 hours ago, Hookah Horns said:

You're a better person than me. I want a lot of people I know to suffer.

I don’t necessarily WANT them to suffer, but it does seem like the only way they might learn. 

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7 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I don’t necessarily WANT them to suffer, but it does seem like the only way they might learn. 

This.  Humanity, across-the-board, has plunged headlong into the full "FAFO" era.  Lot of FA.  So, need a lot of FO.

It's stupid.  But stupid is what humanity does best.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Any of those hitting the ground this time? Also, any reliable civilian count from the Iran strike yesterday?

Supposedly seven from the first volley got through Israeli defenses.

Needless to say, take this earlier report from Iran with a grain of salt.

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