Dallas officer kills man after mistaking apartment for her own, police say

[hayden_horn 11358]

2 minutes ago, DigDug said:

So the apartment had a distinctive smell of marijuana, and she says she thought it was hers.

except it didn't because it was determined by property management to not emanate from that apartment.

[DigDug 1649]

Just now, hayden_horn said:

except it didn't because it was determined by property management to not emanate from that apartment.

Ah, ok

[Deej 76396]

Well, someone smelled pot. He deserved to die. Move along, nothing to see here.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, Deej said:

Well, someone smelled pot. He deserved to die. Move along, nothing to see here.

Another reefer related death.....  

[Fuck Tim Beck 3806]

2 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Another reefer related death.....  

Its reefer madness! 

[gsoda3 3214]

6 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

uh oh

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/09/19/apartment-managers-really-visited-botham-jeans-home-before-killed-amber-guyger

even MORE uh-oh at the end:

he was found next to the couch, watching football, with his laptop, texting friends.

but he's black, i guess, so he must be a burglar because of the drugs found in the apartment.

how does that change anything?

[RPM 26167]

2 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

how does that change anything?

Proof he was a serious druggie. No telling what he might do under the influence of mind altering substances like watch football on TV in his home.

Edited September 21, 2018 by RPM

[bernorange 8345]

So, DMN confirms Jean's body was near the couch.  He did not open the door for her.  IMO, that lends some credibility to her story.  Doesn't justify the shooting of course, but it sounds like a tragedy of unfortunate events rather than something premeditated.

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 minute ago, bernorange said:

So, DMN confirms Jean's body was near the couch.  He did not open the door for her.  IMO, that lends some credibility to her story.  Doesn't justify the shooting of course, but it sounds like a tragedy of unfortunate events rather than something premeditated.

 

Yeah, it does a bit. It till doesn't justify her shooting him instead of just backing the hell out of the door.  He had to be more than several away from her and thus posed no imminent threat, now she'll say she thought she saw a gun in his hand (Channel changer or cereal spoon) . She's totally unsuited for being in possession of a gun.

[kevwun 15572]

You can't really justify that you were in fear of your life when you shot someone across the room who was watching tv and eating cereal while you had the option to easily back out of the situation.  She wasn't cornered and he wasn't near her.  She could have backed down the hallway and still had the option of using deadly force if necessary if he came after her.  If she doesn't lose her peace officer license and get jail time out of this, it will be a travesty.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

44 minutes ago, kevwun said:

You can't really justify that you were in fear of your life when you shot someone across the room who was watching tv and eating cereal while you had the option to easily back out of the situation.  She wasn't cornered and he wasn't near her.  She could have backed down the hallway and still had the option of using deadly force if necessary if he came after her.  If she doesn't lose her peace officer license and get jail time out of this, it will be a travesty.

Pretty much.  At the very least she should lose her job. The civil penalties, if any are actually awarded, should fuck her for the rest of her life.

[irishtexan 11435]

Shoot first, ask questions about the mental state of the deceased and whether or not he might have been reaching for a gun and if he might have been on drugs later. 

Edited September 21, 2018 by irishtexan

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

Shoot first, ask questions about the mental state of the deceased and whether or not he might have been reaching for a gun and if he might have been on drugs later. 

Of course he was on the deadly, meth laced weed. He was eating Capt'n Crunch at night. Case closed.

[gsoda3 3214]

the positioning of the furniture in the living room will be important-  was jean facing her and the tv facing away from her?  if so she should be clearly able to see him and what he was holding.  was the tv facing her?  if so she could say she was blinded by the tv and just saw the silhouette of someone with something in his hand, backlit by the tv.

[El Diablo 4232]

15 hours ago, Deej said:

Well, someone smelled pot. He deserved to die. Move along, nothing to see here.

Still no word on who lodged that complaint, right?

[C-Man 26930]

Still no word on who lodged that complaint, right?

Not that I’ve seen.

[SDG 3319]

3 hours ago, bernorange said:

So, DMN confirms Jean's body was near the couch.  He did not open the door for her.  IMO, that lends some credibility to her story.  Doesn't justify the shooting of course, but it sounds like a tragedy of unfortunate events rather than something premeditated.

 

Only if they have the exact same taste in furnitur...

[FondrenRoad 4378]

2 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

the positioning of the furniture in the living room will be important-  was jean facing her and the tv facing away from her?  if so she should be clearly able to see him and what he was holding.  was the tv facing her?  if so she could say she was blinded by the tv and just saw the silhouette of someone with something in his hand, backlit by the tv.

It shouldnt matter if he was high as a kite and cleaning his gun. She entered his house unlawfully and then killed him.  If he had a gun, his biggest mistake was not shooting an intruder with it.  If she gets off by claiming she thinks he had a gun, in his own home in Texas, then we need to just disband the DPD altogether and start over by hiring police that are considered citizens first. 

[hayden_horn 11358]

3 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

the positioning of the furniture in the living room will be important-  was jean facing her and the tv facing away from her?  if so she should be clearly able to see him and what he was holding.  was the tv facing her?  if so she could say she was blinded by the tv and just saw the silhouette of someone with something in his hand, backlit by the tv.

Well, also how it compares to how her furniture is arranged in her apartment. 

[NeverMarryAStripper 21780]

Doesn't matter, he was drugged out and probably broke in and rearranged the furniture

[Pato del Muerto 52232]

1 hour ago, FondrenRoad said:

It shouldnt matter if he was high as a kite and cleaning his gun. She entered his house unlawfully and then killed him.  If he had a gun, his biggest mistake was not shooting an intruder with it.  If she gets off by claiming she thinks he had a gun, in his own home in Texas, then we need to just disband the DPD altogether and start over by hiring police that are considered citizens first. 

We could call it

Citizens On Patrol

[RPM 26167]

1 hour ago, FondrenRoad said:

If she gets off by claiming she thinks he had a gun, in his own home in Texas, then we need to just disband the DPD altogether and start over by hiring police that are considered citizens first. 

Wasn't an armed elderly homeowner killed by FW police in his garage a couple years ago? As I recall it was a "tragic accident".

[El Diablo 4232]

28 minutes ago, RPM said:

Wasn't an armed elderly homeowner killed by FW police in his garage a couple years ago? As I recall it was a "tragic accident".

Almost surprised that it wasn't a suicide with a gun that wasn't registered to him.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

So, plead it to 2nd degree manslaughter cunt serves 8-12 in Gateville and parol. 

Whats the hold up?

[4th and 5 4909]

6 hours ago, bernorange said:

So, DMN confirms Jean's body was near the couch.  He did not open the door for her.  IMO, that lends some credibility to her story.  Doesn't justify the shooting of course, but it sounds like a tragedy of unfortunate events rather than something premeditated.

 

He might have opened the door, and backed away, and then gotten shot. He might have opened the door and gotten shot, staggered back and fell in the living room.

4 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

the positioning of the furniture in the living room will be important-  was jean facing her and the tv facing away from her?  if so she should be clearly able to see him and what he was holding.  was the tv facing her?  if so she could say she was blinded by the tv and just saw the silhouette of someone with something in his hand, backlit by the tv.

As I pointed out a page or two ago, visibility and perception is going to be a key issue for the "reasonable belief" element of her defenses. As to him, his movements, the interior of the apartment, etc.

[Steel Shank 9383]

I'm guessing he was eating Count Chocula, which scared the officer so much so that she feared for her life and shot dead the cereal eater.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

24 minutes ago, Steel Shank said:

I'm guessing he was eating Count Chocula, which scared the officer so much so that she feared for her life and shot dead the cereal eater.

Nah, had to be some Rice Crispies, she heard semi automatic fire in all that snap crackle and popping....

['stache 21729]

3 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

It shouldnt matter if he was high as a kite and cleaning his gun. She entered his house unlawfully and then killed him.  If he had a gun, his biggest mistake was not shooting an intruder with it.  If she gets off by claiming she thinks he had a gun, in his own home in Texas, then we need to just disband the DPD altogether and start over by hiring police that are considered citizens first. 

You know damn well the 2nd amendment only applies to the whites.

[Neonmoon 38127]

I haven’t read a damn thing that “lends credibility” to her bullshit story. 

Until I see a video of the cop trying to open the door with her key, it not working, then she kind of trying it a hundred more times and it not working, then she somehow notices the door is slightly ajar and walks in...she’s a murderer in my book. 

 

 

[achooloco 1060]

On 9/20/2018 at 12:28 AM, Chewbacca said:

Had anyone ever killed a cop in their house and been found not guilty? This assumes they live to see a trial, of course.

There was a case a year ago or so on the other site that this black guy’s home was raided, wrong house and he killed a cop. Forgot what happened. They did find small drug amounts Though? Not sure. Really wish I remember more details. Was the south somewhere I want to say...

[Dolemite 143]

On 9/20/2018 at 8:40 PM, Onboard 2.0 said:

Another reefer related death.....  

Pot kills.

[gsoda3 3214]

It shouldnt matter if he was high as a kite and cleaning his gun. She entered his house unlawfully and then killed him.  If he had a gun, his biggest mistake was not shooting an intruder with it.  If she gets off by claiming she thinks he had a gun, in his own home in Texas, then we need to just disband the DPD altogether and start over by hiring police that are considered citizens first. 

Oh I don't think she'll skate due to that but if the opportunity is there they'll take it

[RPM 26167]

18 hours ago, Steel Shank said:

I'm guessing he was eating Count Chocula, which scared the officer so much so that she feared for her life and shot dead the cereal eater.

Cocoa Puffs and he was going cuckoo.

[Deej 76396]

Black man holding a spoon. She'll say she thought it was a gun.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

7 minutes ago, Deej said:

Black man holding a spoon. She'll say she thought it was a gun.

Hey Riddick killed a guy with a tea cup.....

 Maybe he was holding a grapefruit spoon.  Those little serrated bitches can kill ya I tell ya...

[bigup2dahorns 3340]

DPD fired the police officer

 

[BlueGreySky 995]

about fucking time. 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4965]

A little over two weeks? That's probably about as fast as they could do it and still follow proceedures to keep clean on the backside.

[conVINCEd 21468]

That's surprising.  Welcome, but still surprising.

[TwiceHorn 31085]

8 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

A little over two weeks? That's probably about as fast as they could do it and still follow proceedures to keep clean on the backside.

Yep and it will still get tied up in some kind of union-mandated appeal for probably a year or more, if she goes there.  Kind of wonder too if it is as a result of some information coming forward.

I could be horribly mistaken, but I have a notion that DPD and Dallas County DA are trying to do things more right than they have in the past.

[irishtexan 11435]

On 9/21/2018 at 5:27 PM, Neonmoon said:

I haven’t read a damn thing that “lends credibility” to her bullshit story. 

Until I see a video of the cop trying to open the door with her key, it not working, then she kind of trying it a hundred more times and it not working, then she somehow notices the door is slightly ajar and walks in...she’s a murderer in my book. 

 

 

Even then, it's still murder.

 

On 9/21/2018 at 1:13 PM, FondrenRoad said:

It shouldnt matter if he was high as a kite and cleaning his gun. She entered his house unlawfully and then killed him.  If he had a gun, his biggest mistake was not shooting an intruder with it.  If she gets off by claiming she thinks he had a gun, in his own home in Texas, then we need to just disband the DPD altogether and start over by hiring police that are considered citizens first. 

 

On 9/21/2018 at 4:55 PM, 'stache said:

You know damn well the 2nd amendment only applies to the whites.

Well, according to NRA spokesperson Dana Loetch, the only thing that can stop a good guy with a gun is another good guy with a gun. 2nd amendment certainly applies to dead black dudes who can be used as a prop for your disgusting agenda.

https://www.newsweek.com/nra-dana-loesch-botham-jean-dallas-cop-killed-neighbor-apartment-1116267

Edited September 24, 2018 by irishtexan

[TwiceHorn 31085]

30 minutes ago, bigup2dahorns said:

DPD fired the police officer

 

 

I just read the release.  It says an internal affairs investigation concluded she engaged in "adverse conduct" when "she was arrested for manslaughter."  That may be just an extraordinarily poorly worded release, or the cause for firing wasn't the shooting itself, but the way the arrest was handled?

Edited September 24, 2018 by TwiceHorn

[LongestHorn 759]

That's what it sounds like.

[Guest Lobo]

It’s a shame that all unions get lumped together in one blob in Texas.  

I bet we’d be less adamant about right to work status if ‘union protection’ didn’t cover both on the job work injuries at construction sites, oil rigs, and long haul trucking with 60% salary;  and then also ability to shoot black people resting at home with full pay 

[0xdeadbeef 1617]

14 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I just read the release.  It says an internal affairs investigation concluded she engaged in "adverse conduct" when "she was arrested for manslaughter."  That may be just an extraordinarily poorly worded release, or the cause for firing wasn't the shooting itself, but the way the arrest was handled?

 

It says that on Sept 9th she engaged in adverse conduct.     She murdered the guy on Sept 7th.  

 

So killing the guy, not a problem

 

[bigup2dahorns 3340]

 
It says that on Sept 9th she engaged in adverse conduct.     She murdered the guy on Sept 7th.  
 
So killing the guy, not a problem
 

Wording of that sentence. She was arrested on Sept 9.

[DigDug 1649]

On 9/21/2018 at 2:20 PM, RPM said:

Wasn't an armed elderly homeowner killed by FW police in his garage a couple years ago? As I recall it was a "tragic accident".

Yep, cops showed up to investigate a burglary call and went to the wrong house.  Homeowner hears something going on outside his house, comes out through his garage and is shot by the police.  Police say he pointed a gun at them.  Family says he was shielding himself from their lights and was standing in his own garage.  No police were indicted.

['stache 21729]

Once she’s acquired by a North Texas jury on the “Druggie failed to follow orders” defense she’ll be hired immediately at some suburban department, probably with a raise and hero’s welcome. Betty fucking Shelby is still working and actually teaching some course about survival or something. Should be a short class. “Shoot first ask questions later, jury will save you. Class dismissed.”

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, BlueGreySky said:

about fucking time. 

 2 weeks isn't that a long time. There's a process you have to go thru. It's there for a reason  It seems to have worked here just fine.  Now she won't have the cover of the DPD.

[SameSame 1683]

10 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Once she’s acquired by a North Texas jury on the “Druggie failed to follow orders” defense she’ll be hired immediately at some suburban department, probably with a raise and hero’s welcome. Betty fucking Shelby is still working and actually teaching some course about survival or something. Should be a short class. “Shoot first ask questions later, jury will save you. Class dismissed.”

Good point, and there was video of Shelby shooting a guy with his hands up and slowly walking away from her.  And other cops were there who saw no need to kill the man, and she walked.

Guyger will walk