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I’ve always heard it be said (About Last Night) a pro is how you think of yourself. So it makes sense on this board that many think the shooter is a professional. 

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1 minute ago, Laguna said:

Thank you, Webster.

Nevertheless, speech is not violence.

The post I made said his platform was peaceful, but not the content of his rhetoric. I can’t understand this for you, so do your best to understand the distinction. If you think racist remarks are peaceful, say so, and stop putting words into my mouth.

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6 minutes ago, Laguna said:

 

WSJ running with that story, but low on details.

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Investigators found ammunition engraved with expressions of transgender and antifascist ideology inside the rifle that authorities believe was used in the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk, according to an internal law-enforcement bulletin and a person familiar with the investigation.

The older-model .30 caliber hunting rifle was discovered in the woods near the scene of Wednesday’s shooting at Utah Valley University, wrapped in a towel with a spent cartridge still in the chamber, the sources said. There were also three unspent rounds in the magazine, all with wording on them.

A Justice Department official cautioned that the investigation was still in its preliminary stages, and that investigators were still examining the ammunition.

Kirk, 31 years old, was onstage going back and forth with a student about mass shootings involving transgender people when he was targeted, according to videos of the attack. The student hasn't been publicly identified.

 

Please let that be bs

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14 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I’ve always heard it be said (About Last Night) a pro is how you think of yourself. So it makes sense on this board that many think the shooter is a professional. 

 

14 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

This seems professional. 

 

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36 minutes ago, jkates said:

Please don't insult me by insinuating I'm a Roman Catholic! 

Sort of kidding, but I did not go to a Jesuit HS. 

It's official I am in fact a dumbass and have confused you with a different poster.  It's not the first time and won't be the last so I've got that going for me.

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27 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Please let that be bs

Why would it be bullshit? It was the most obvious scenario possible

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I would urge everyone to not take anything at face value for the next 48 hours. We've been down this road before. Many, many times. How often is the first reported narrative the correct one?

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1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

I would urge everyone to not take anything at face value for the next 48 hours. We've been down this road before. Many, many times. How often is the first reported narrative the correct one?

Hell, the director of the FBI has been wrong multiple times already on this! We gotta get our top antiterrorism expert on the case 

Introducing Doogie Howser, New Head of the DHS Anti-Terror Unit | by  Katharine Valentino | This America | Medium

 

It's going to be fascinating watching the information worm turn on this issue over the next few days as things are released and retracted

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32 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I’ve always heard it be said (About Last Night) a pro is how you think of yourself. So it makes sense on this board that many think the shooter is a professional. 

200 yards with a 30.06 is not a shot that requires a professional.  I use a 30.06 for deer and hog hunting.  The shooter could have been aiming for center mass and had a lucky miss and hit the neck instead.  I've done it before with a deer.  

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1 minute ago, Bill Brasky said:

200 yards with a 30.06 is not a shot that requires a professional.  I use a 30.06 for deer and hog hunting.  The shooter could have been aiming for center mass and had a lucky miss and hit the neck instead.  I've done it before with a deer.  

especially in perfect conditions from a prone position

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1 minute ago, Bill Brasky said:

200 yards with a 30.06 is not a shot that requires a professional.  I use a 30.06 for deer and hog hunting.  The shooter could have been aiming for center mass and had a lucky miss and hit the neck instead.  I've done it before with a deer.  

Like others have said, I imagine taking a cold bore shot at a human (presumably for the first time) adds a decent amount of difficulty and would suggest some level of training...or sociopathy.

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25 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

pretty low likelihood of WSJ running complete fiction

I mean, when has the media and law enforcement ever been wrong on something like this?

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1 hour ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Horst Wessel

Impressive sailing ship. 
Al toured this ship when it was visiting Salem a few years ago. 
And one of Al’s cousins was able to hitch a ride up and down the Eastern Seaboard in his teens on this ship as a passenger step up by his newly married Step Father to get him out of the house for a while.  
/csb 

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16 minutes ago, wong said:

Why would it be bullshit? It was the most obvious scenario possible

Actually, I would think another likely scenario would be an alt right group wanting to create chaos and enrage the right against the left to advance their own agenda. Both are very plausible #NoCR

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5 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

I mean, when has the media and law enforcement ever been wrong on something like this?

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I agree.

WSJ doesn't get it wrong on the regular though.  WAY higher liklihood of being based in fact.  This isn't OP/ED its a news piece.  Same applies to NYT and a few others.

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2 minutes ago, CowboyFred said:

Actually, I would think another likely scenario would be an alt right group wanting to create chaos and enrage the right against the left to advance their own agenda. Both are very plausible #NoCR

You mean, like, the sips did it?

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Hard to say if this was a professional or well-trained civilian. No matter what anyone says, a 200 yard shot is not easy. 30-06 or not. You have to take into account the wind, distance, pressure, and the fact that Kirk was under that tent. Did the shooter have a clear view? I guess we won't know until more comes out. But man, ONE shot at 200 yards and hitting your target under pressure? Not easy imo. 

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7 hours ago, Chooky said:

A horrific instant perpetrated by a confused and deranged reactionary caught in high definition could be the greatest tool for ratcheting down the frenzy of resentment in this hate-fueled engine of conjured cultural angst. The digital barrage wouldn't stand a chance if the stark reduction of media corners and "content" could momentarily be placed aside in favor of sympathy and revulsion of such senseless violence. The clarity of that fork in the road is so obvious that it seemingly taunts everyone mired in their identity rut of ideology. It's right there. But failure flirting with greatness is a common literary trope. And here it is. But doesn't it still feel so hopeless? That current, strident but often imaginary, runs opposed in two lanes that each run so swift everyone forgets it's ultimately a whirlpool of shared experience. That person who briefly hesitated at the door of the gas station to give the door an additional flick of the wrist so you could catch it. They might have represented everything you despise but you didn't know it in that momentary glimpse of effortless consideration. The list of people who deserve to have their carotid artery severed in sunlight is a short one. And that list does exist. But I don't believe this young man deserved to be on that list. I would do my best to deter anyone who disagrees with that from making a list. 

you use your tongue pertyier than a twenty-dollar whore.

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1 minute ago, Dignan said:

Hard to say if this was a professional or well-trained civilian. No matter what anyone says, a 200 yard shot is not easy. 30-06 or not. You have to take into account the wind, distance, pressure, and the fact that Kirk was under that tent. Did the shooter have a clear view? I guess we won't know until more comes out. But man, ONE shot at 200 yards and hitting your target under pressure? Not easy imo. 

Anyone with basic military rifle training or anything more than rudimentary hunting experience makes that shot over 90% of the time.   Taking a human life is the pressure.  It doesn't appear in the videos anyone(beyond the distant cell phone video) was aware of their presence.    Crooks had people yelling at him and anyone who would listen that there was a shooter.  

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1 hour ago, Parliament said:

My God the risk every one of those people took.  Go into a hot, emotional, irrational crowd of strangers and just hang out.  SO easy for a second hit.  

Just go home.  Go home and be sad.  Go home and be mad.  All you gotta do to make it a a little less bad is NOT BE THERE.

People, on the whole, are fucking stupid.  

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20 minutes ago, CowboyFred said:

Actually, I would think another likely scenario would be an alt right group wanting to create chaos and enrage the right against the left to advance their own agenda. Both are very plausible #NoCR

Did you just get fired by MSNBC? 

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Hearing that Kirk’s team drove him to a hospital with lower trauma rating than 2 others in the wider city. Maybe it didn’t matter but this was a bad idea. EMS may have been able to stabilize him onsite and maybe get him to right ER in the fastest manner, including helicopter.

like I wrote, maybe he was already dead but driving someone in a private car is rarely the best idea especially in a city. 

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2 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:


Kids these days use e-scooters now. He probably escaped faster that way

Those always way quicker than I think they are. The neighbor kids haul ass on the nearby lakeside trail to me. 

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1 minute ago, Royalfan5 said:

Those always way quicker than I think they are. The neighbor kids haul ass on the nearby lakeside trail to me. 

But they take like 20 minutes to get the fucking app to work right.

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5 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

he was dead when he hit the floor.  He was gushing a pint of blood a second.

Any signs of life were final nerve end fires.

Yeah, don't watch the video but he was gone gone instantly - anyone talking about him being alive yesterday was just being optimistic and hoping. 

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Just now, immamac said:

Yeah, don't watch the video but he was gone gone instantly - anyone talking about him being alive yesterday was just being optimistic and hoping. 

Very much like taking JFK in and working on him in Dallas for a bit before calling it. 

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6 minutes ago, immamac said:

Yeah, don't watch the video but he was gone gone instantly - anyone talking about him being alive yesterday was just being optimistic and hoping. 

Yep I think once an autopsy is done and made public it'll become clear that he never had a chance. All this talk about EMS, helicopter, private vehicle, etc is all for nothing. 

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6 minutes ago, immamac said:

Yeah, don't watch the video but he was gone gone instantly - anyone talking about him being alive yesterday was just being optimistic and hoping. 

Yeah that rapid exsanguination isn't really survivable.  

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Is it a good sign that hours after saying they would only release the photos if they had to—that they are releasing them now? Cuz this will now be up to tips from the public it seems like? 

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59 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

I would urge everyone to not take anything at face value for the next 48 hours. We've been down this road before. Many, many times. How often is the first reported narrative the correct one?

1000 times this.

Say it louder for those in the back.

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18 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

he was dead when he hit the floor.  He was gushing a pint of blood a second.

Any signs of life were final nerve end fires.

Reading this was almost as traumatic as the video. You have a way with words and in this sense it's awful.

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12 minutes ago, immamac said:

Yeah, don't watch the video but he was gone gone instantly - anyone talking about him being alive yesterday was just being optimistic and hoping. 

I think he could have been shot in the E.R. waiting room of whatever the best trauma hospital in the world is, and he still would have been dead.  

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1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

That’s weird. It gels with what some think that it was a professional hit. Or it could be some guy who saw the Butler shooting and said I can perfect that. No manifesto. No second shot fired. Wasn’t a mass shooter type thing. Ran off in the confusion and blended in with everyone else. Takes weapon from the rooftop: I mean it was clear that they would find out the trajectory of the bullet fairly quickly and notate if someone had been up there to fire the weapon. Why ditch it? Why not keep it? It makes me think the person is local. Knew the campus and the area. Couldn’t bring the weapon back home? 

He blended in with everyone else while lugging his bolt action rifle around with him?

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Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

He blended in with everyone else while lugging his bolt action rifle around with him?

Bruh its Utah - there are bears around. 

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1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

He blended in with everyone else while lugging his bolt action rifle around with him?

He may have planted the rifle on the roof much earlier in the day? I don’t know, just spitballing. Wouldn’t explain how he was able to jump off the roof and leave campus escaping into the woods carrying a bolt action rifle as has been reported. It seems like even in the mass hysteria of people running away from the scene, someone would have noticed the guy with a rifle, but maybe he had just enough of a head start on the crowd.

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7 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

This is a very very very important thing to keep in mind. Crowder does have good reason to have those messages that he shared, but it's not verified and there's a reason the investigators didn't share that info. And he does not have a sterling history of factual or faithful reproduction of information.

 

Jesus fuck, our information ecosystem is so so bad and many people don't realize the extent, even when the director of the FBI is making major mistakes

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2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

He blended in with everyone else while lugging his bolt action rifle around with him?

I guess with everyone running??? They didn’t notice or he shoved it under his shirt? Is it the type that can be folded up? I mean plenty noticed that odd mother fucker in Butler. But that was a colossal failure. I figured a message would be left behind. They want some kind of recognition. Is it a tactic to put the picture out or do they just legit not know who he is? 

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56 minutes ago, CowboyFred said:

Actually, I would think another likely scenario would be an alt right group wanting to create chaos and enrage the right against the left to advance their own agenda. Both are very plausible #NoCR

They wouldn't have picked Utah as the site.

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