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I Don't Want To Make This Poll, But its unfortunately necessary.


I Don't Want To Make This Poll, But its unfortunately necessary  

215 members have voted

  1. 1. Bench Arch

    • Lolwtf - still Heisman in the making you idiot.
      4
    • Nah, I think he's gonna get it together for a full game soon.
      36
    • Nah, but you gotta ride it out one more week for a half
      53
    • Nah, he is booty juice though
      33
    • Yeah, for at least a few series
      49
    • Yeah give someone the next start
      34
    • Booo. Booooooooooooooo this man! (At home)
      5
  2. 2. Who is the successor?

    • Nobody you idiot doctor dre is dead
      48
    • KJ Lacy
      61
    • Trey Owens
      20
    • Ryan Wingo
      6
    • Matthew Caldwell
      79


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I thought Arch was playing hurt in Columbus.  But he played better in Week 2, so I was hopeful hat he was getting better and we'd see him at full strength today.  Then we got this massive shitburger instead.

At this point, I think Arch needs to split time with someone else.  Whether he's playing hurt, or pressing, or whatever, it's going to start costing us games by the time we get to Gainesville and Dallas.  And if a benching ruins his confidence or his attitude, then he was never gonna be the guy here anyway.  

Let him split series with someone else and see how he responds.  Or, if he is hurt, quit trying to hide it and rest him until he's 100%.  

Put the team first.  If our QB play doesn't improve, one way or the other, we could go 7-5 with one of the best defenses we've ever had.  I like Arch, but I don't care about his ego that much.  Fix this shit.

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Posted
31 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Because the idea that he should be benched is insane. He needs live reps and experience. So do most of the guys around him on offense. 

He does so much shit that is hard to teach or develop extremely well. He does not self sack. He does not fumble the ball. He does not throw picks in dangerous situations. He doesn't throw into a lot of bad reads. He runs the ball like an animal. 

I have seen him hit the throws that he misses. He just isn't hitting all of them right now. He looks inexperienced and jumpy and like he is under a ton of pressure. 

What helps with that is starts. Games. Reps. More routes run by his receivers. More handoffs. More PAs. More RPOs. More shitty passes, frankly. More adversity. Maybe a couple more losses.

Can we address that his OL is a mess at times? That he was missing his #1 and #2 back all game today? That Moore didn't play today? 

The entire O is a work in progress. It isn't like we are dropping Arch into what we had rolling last season.

But it's really fucking easy to just blame the highly-touted QB that everyone had outsized expectations for coming into the season. Who just started his 5th game ever. 

I respect you as a poster but this is just a list of excuses.  This is year three in the program you watched the game come on man it hurts I know you want him to be good I do as well but what I have watched this year tells me he has some really really bad mechanics throwing the ball.  

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Just now, ApocalypseTexas said:

I respect you as a poster but this is just a list of excuses.  This is year three in the program you watched the game come on man it hurts I know you want him to be good I do as well but what I have watched this year tells me he has some really really bad mechanics throwing the ball.  

Year 3
Has already started prior games and played in prior games
Younger QB's performing significantly better around the country
 

Posted
1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

I wouldn't throw Lacey into this hot mess. Caldwell is the perfect guy to throw in there. He is experienced and experienced on undertalented teams so our shitty OL shouldn't rattle him. 

I would go into the SHSU game with a plan, communicated to the QBs that Manning will start and get two drives then Caldwell will go in. After that it's based on who plays better. Two QB systems can suck and as they say if you have two then you don't have one. But guess what? We already don't have one right now. 

Same thoughts here. We haven't seen lacey yet but we saw Caldwell at least move the chains better than anything we've seen this year. 

 

We need experience to get the rest of the team stable then argue about who should start 

Posted
23 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

Nearly the whole board was convinced that Arch was better than Quinn last year, despite barely seeing him play against inferior competition.  And now that same group is supposed to have a valid opinion on who should succeed Arch despite never having seen any of them throw a pass at this level? What's the point? Who gives a shit who's gonna succeed him? Nobody knows shit about fuck?

We’re Surly.  We love players and then we want them to hit the portal.  We love our coaches and then we want them fired.  

Posted (edited)

Arch isn't doing well. But I don't think he's the only problem. They just don't have it together as a team yet. I don't know if a qb switch would do any good. The whole team has to jell. Might as well keep plugging and hope they start looking less shitty.

I definitely think there were way exaggerated expectations for Arch. He needs more time. 

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41 minutes ago, Dilligas said:

This may truly be one of the most epic failures of a ranked team in modern history if Arch can’t recover. I don’t see Sark admitting his failure as a QB coach. Could very well be a 5 loss team I’m afraid. If Arch doesn’t magically get better

It wouldn’t be as bad as FSU last year, but would be close. 

Posted
19 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Guys, just trust me, the backup quarterback is ALWAYS better.

Yeah. I don’t think people would like what they see with backups in. But also, Arch looks like fucking trash. Some of those misses are things that I have come to expect as a Rice fan watching our option QB’s. He looks fucking horrible. And not like when he looked bad last year. He looks much worse than that. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

Also, we genuinely need a poll about why Connor Stroh is playing. I know QBs are important and get more attention but Stroh is actually providing negative value. WTF is Flood doing? 

Let's not lose sight of the other terrible football we're putting out there. 

Every offensive snap! 

Posted (edited)
24 minutes ago, DougO said:

Arch isn't doing well. But I don't think he's the only problem. They just don't have it together as a team yet. I don't know if a qb switch would do any good. The whole team has to jell. Might as well keep plugging and hope they start looking less shitty.

I definitely think there were way exaggerated expectations for Arch. He needs more time. 

Maybe Arch just hasn't got into a rhythm with his receivers yet but he missed so many passes today to wide open receivers. I say let him start next game but let him know he will be coming out a series or two no matter how he performs. At one point we were 0/8 on 3rd downs against fucking UTEP. This wasn't OSU, UGA, Oregon. It was against the University of Texas at El Paso. That just cannot happen against better teams. We need our QB to hit a wide open receiver on a crossing route, especially on third down

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Posted

Is Milwee the actual QB coach or does Sark do that?  If it's Milwee we've had 3 straight years of oddly inconsistent QB mechanics.  He needs to go.  Perhaps we just need to make a change at QB coach regardless of who is handling the room.  

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2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Let Arch portal and Sark hire a offensive play caller, fire Milwee and Flood.

And, buy a lottery ticket….

Posted
1 hour ago, ApocalypseTexas said:

Why do people keep throwing the WR under the bus hell they may be phenomenal we don’t know because Arch can’t get the ball close to them. 

Because they aren’t getting separation. This isn’t that hard to see

Posted
5 minutes ago, Steelers Roll Left said:

I think you have to stick with him if for no other reason, recruiting reasons.  But in doing so, ya’ll may have to accept that he’s a multi-year project, and yes, one that may never fulfill expectations

Losing a bunch of games will be much worse than benching a shitty qb 

Posted

I hold out some fleeting hope that with all our missing skill guys back, we'd see a much better version of Arch. Wouldn't improve his accuracy issues per se, but it might help camouflage them. 

Posted

Let’s see KJ Lacy

Caldwell I always thought was the safe option behind Arch if something happens mid-game, but I’d like to see him play too. 

Sucks to not have a spring game because we HAVE NO IDEA who is any good behind Arch. 
 

Arch has totally sucked so far. 

Posted (edited)

For the record, I didn't see "Nobody you idiot doctor dre is dead" or I would have voted that way.

Regardless, and I hate to say this, I am a Sark fan, but gotdammit he is going to fuck it up. 100% he cannot handle this. He learned nothing from his time with Saban. Sark is all up in his feels. He doesn't see the chess pieces on the chess board. He's Mack 2.0.

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3 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

I wouldn't throw Lacey into this hot mess. Caldwell is the perfect guy to throw in there. He is experienced and experienced on undertalented teams so our shitty OL shouldn't rattle him. 

I would go into the SHSU game with a plan, communicated to the QBs that Manning will start and get two drives then Caldwell will go in. After that it's based on who plays better. Two QB systems can suck and as they say if you have two then you don't have one. But guess what? We already don't have one right now. 

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Posted
3 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

I get the reason for all the questions, I think Arch will turn out to be great. But whatever. 

I agree that that's possible, and I surely desire to see it happen. My advocacy for benching him does not mean that he should not have the chance to earn the spot back. I think earning the spot is exactly what he needs. It's not his fault that so much was given to him earlier and that so much is expected of and predicted for him now.

He needs a lesser hill to climb. That may be moving from second team back to first team. He would win back the confidence of the offense if he were to do that. 

Developing him on the field is an unmitigated disaster at this point. I don't fault Sark, yet. 

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