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1 minute ago, royiv said:

This is at least his second incarnation since asking for the nuke from orbit request. @King George was one that got crowd-sourced after spreading a bunch of trash info on the flood thread in July.

Did Dr Beeper get banned or did he request that one to be erased as well?

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Saw something about profs leaving schools in the south in record numbers. This should speed up the exit of people from UT. Also - when will they start using the tower bell for Christian hymns?

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26 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Did Dr Beeper get banned or did he request that one to be erased as well?

What about the @porterhouse account?  I think that one got erased too.  He and lobo (RIP) probably have the records for most deleted accounts.

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Everything is a fucking shakedown to him. "Better access" to funding. Kiss the ring and daddy will let you set on his lap and give you a few dollars. Fucking disgusting. What a joke of an educational system we're going to have. International reputation for academic excellence? Ehhh, if God King says it's ok to teach, we'll teach it enthusiastically, otherwise, what is "knowledge" anyways. Smart people don't like him, so smart is actually dumb and education is gay. 

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I have 2lb test and quik detailer to remove stickers and pookie to replace the holes in my wall where my diploma sits. If this happens I will burn it in the stairwell of Jester West

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Posted
13 minutes ago, tokamak said:

One silver lining here is that aggy is going to be so mad that we got offered the chance to lick boots first.

Trump said they had to get rid of those fruity male "cheerleaders" and aggy said no

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2 hours ago, Cruz in Aledo said:

I think the admin is specifically talking about escaped CR inmates coming into DT and being mean. 

Odd negative response. I’m not sure your sarcasm meters are appropriately calibrated gentlemen. Carry on I suppose. 

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13 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Trump said they had to get rid of those fruity male "cheerleaders" and aggy said no

You think they would have learned when that shit cost them their baseball coach. 

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Posted (edited)
17 hours ago, Reese Bennett said:

The schools are being asked to ban the use of race or sex in hiring and admissions; freeze tuition for five years; cap international undergrad enrollment at 15%; require that applicants take the SAT or a similar test; and stop "grade inflation." They will be required to share all known information about foreign students. It also obligates them to abolish departments that “purposefully punish, belittle, and even spark violence against conservative ideas.”

I like all of those ideas. The last sounds legally dubious, as any law requires some sort of objective basis that is not strictly political. Nothing outside of the last part sounds controversial.

Banning using race in hiring etc.? Sure, ban racism. If you are opposed to race neutrality, you are a racist. I hate racism. It is illogical, immoral, and illegal according to the supreme court.

Freeze tuition? Why not. The goal is to reduce administrative bloat.

Grade inflation? We should have full disclosure regarding grades but we don't. I was in some intro 500 person class and the TA wrote 2.7 in big letters on the chalkboard and said "this is the class GPA". Wheat and chaff and all that. There's definitely been grade inflation, the Ivy's championed it mostly so they could get money from rich people.

SAT - whatever, it's redundant, because of course you cannot assess potential without a standardized test. Harvard abolished this, realized they were admitting idiots, then reintroduced it. G is a thing.

The international student thing is a national security issue. Firstly, they are guests and entitled to no privacy whatsoever. Second, we need to know if a Chinese or Russian national is studying cutting edge nuclear physics, doing advanced AI work, or learning bomb design in an engineering department. 

There is a serious crisis in higher education. This is an attempt to move things in the right direction, mostly via practical measures.  

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Posted
24 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

There is a serious crisis in higher education

Could you be more specific? Because there are certainly issues with higher education, but I'm not sure anything that is being pushed is going to positively impact any outcomes.

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Anyone care to tag Sid Miller on this? 
Fucking hypocrite magahat wearer and all.  Piece of shit is probably on another Jesus quest on the taxpayer dollar. 

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2 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

I like all of those ideas. The last sounds legally dubious, as any law requires some sort of objective basis that is not strictly political. Nothing outside of the last part sounds controversial.

Banning using race in hiring etc.? Sure, ban racism. If you are opposed to race neutrality, you are a racist. I hate racism. It is illogical, immoral, and illegal according to the supreme court.

Freeze tuition? Why not. The goal is to reduce administrative bloat.

Grade inflation? We should have full disclosure regarding grades but we don't. I was in some intro 500 person class and the TA wrote 2.7 in big letters on the chalkboard and said "this is the class GPA". Wheat and chaff and all that. There's definitely been grade inflation, the Ivy's championed it mostly so they could get money from rich people.

SAT - whatever, it's redundant, because of course you cannot assess potential without a standardized test. Harvard abolished this, realized they were admitting idiots, then reintroduced it. G is a thing.

The international student thing is a national security issue. Firstly, they are guests and entitled to no privacy whatsoever. Second, we need to know if a Chinese or Russian national is studying cutting edge nuclear physics, doing advanced AI work, or learning bomb design in an engineering department. 

There is a serious crisis in higher education. This is an attempt to move things in the right direction, mostly via practical measures.  

If there are specific international students that pose legitimate national security concerns, it really seems we could and should find a better way to address that than a blanket numbers cap in exchange for vaguely-defined “preferential treatment” in research funding. 

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13 minutes ago, tokamak said:

If there are specific international students that pose legitimate national security concerns, it really seems we could and should find a better way to address that than a blanket numbers cap in exchange for vaguely-defined “preferential treatment” in research funding. 

 

 

chinese and northern european countries ...

 

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3 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

I like all of those ideas. The last sounds legally dubious, as any law requires some sort of objective basis that is not strictly political. Nothing outside of the last part sounds controversial.

Banning using race in hiring etc.? Sure, ban racism. If you are opposed to race neutrality, you are a racist. I hate racism. It is illogical, immoral, and illegal according to the supreme court.

Freeze tuition? Why not. The goal is to reduce administrative bloat.

Grade inflation? We should have full disclosure regarding grades but we don't. I was in some intro 500 person class and the TA wrote 2.7 in big letters on the chalkboard and said "this is the class GPA". Wheat and chaff and all that. There's definitely been grade inflation, the Ivy's championed it mostly so they could get money from rich people.

SAT - whatever, it's redundant, because of course you cannot assess potential without a standardized test. Harvard abolished this, realized they were admitting idiots, then reintroduced it. G is a thing.

The international student thing is a national security issue. Firstly, they are guests and entitled to no privacy whatsoever. Second, we need to know if a Chinese or Russian national is studying cutting edge nuclear physics, doing advanced AI work, or learning bomb design in an engineering department. 

There is a serious crisis in higher education. This is an attempt to move things in the right direction, mostly via practical measures.  

My, you have quite the active imagination. 

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Posted
14 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

The valedictorian in my son's graduating class was one of those uber-nerds with all A's, perfect score on the SAT, National Merit Scholar, accepted to every university known to man blah blah blah.  She picked Arizona for god only knows what reason.

I mean, I can almost understand if it was a dude that wanted to go get his freak on without going full regard at ASU.  But this was your typical suburban Indian girl.

 

Tucson is a great city, and UA has a great vibe imo. 

 

 

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Everything trump touches dies, including our University. I’m quickly getting to the point where I don’t care about the University or football anymore

Right there with you.
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Posted (edited)
24 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

What I find fascinating is that this great "crisis" in higher ed is almost entirely made up.  For real.  To get an accurate picture, measure things RELATIVELY.

Yep, academia has more hippie-dippie leftist types in it.....just like it did in the 60s, 70s, 80s, etc.  FFS, it was a discussion and a real thing when I was on campus, back in the days of popped collars and sorority girls wearing wind shorts.  Is it materially greater/worse, than it was before?  Nope.  Higher education typically leads to more nuanced, moderated thinking.   Sorry, conservatives, that's just the way it be.  Kind of like traveling makes it much less likely that you'll be a xenophobic bigot.

Foreign students?  Same deal.

DEI and affirmative action?  Well, first....the venom for "DEI" is utterly insane bullshit.  DEI efforts do not grant admission preferences.  Instead, they do things like increase recruiting at historically underrepresented high schools and communities, offer college readiness/prep to students in those schools, and provide resources for them when the get here because they have fewer such resources than students from college-educated families.  Sorry, guys, but the reality is that the American legacy of racial discrimination has a LONG tail when it comes to education, success, and family wealth.  We locked black people out of home ownership/owning homes in valuable neighborhoods for generations, so their ability to build equity wealth that passed on was sharply limited, and that takes generations to fix.  And no, the students at Westlake and Alamo Heights don't need to be recruited, don't need to be offered college readiness assistance.  Honestly, I think that UT's top 10% (or top 5% or whatever it is these days) does a decent job of getting a diverse student body, but the kid who is top 5% at Shit Hole High still needs to know what UT has to offer, and may need some help navigating UT once he gets here, because he's the first kid in his family to go to college.

"Merit-based" but "ignore that some people are born on 3rd base while others have to sneak into the stadium" is a shitty approach to building an educated population.  And I say this as a college-prep educated kid, son of a college grad with kids who were raised by people with 5 degrees between them.  Cool, my kids had every advantage, and they will find success.  But we're also helping a refugee, first-gen American with few resources navigate the college process now, and it's a very different game.  If America in the next generation is going to prosper, that kid needs to get the full benefits of higher ed as well.  We should all be in favor of that.

Tuition?  Now THAT is a worthwhile conversation.  Relatively speaking (I really like the metric of "how many hours a week would you have to work to pay your tuition, room, and board?"), it's gone way up.  Real action needs to be taken, some of it shouldn't be pleasant (e.g., free flow of student loan dollars had a "pump up the money supply, you inflate prices to match" effect).

But this shit?  It's thought control bullshit, and that's their open goal.  Stop pretending it's anything but that.

Yeah, a couple of those things, like the tuition freeze, is nothing but a populist appeal.

The real goal of that, is that last bit of shit that even Texashammer agrees is nebulous, standardless ground for ideological punishment.

I have been contemplating the question of why is education so "librul"?  And the answer is, that is its very nature.  Education, academia, and intelligentsia are, by their nature, progressive.  It's the study and generation of new ideas.  Even a discipline like history, dedicated to study of the past, basically thrives on uncovering new facts from the past or new interpretations of the past and how it affects the present and future.

Sure, some of those ideas are garbage, just like some old ideas are garbage.  But to have real education, you just have to let it go where it wants to go.  And an attempt to do otherwise is damaging.

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44 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

But this shit?  It's thought control bullshit, and that's their open goal.  Stop pretending it's anything but that.

It's the same calling card as every other trumped-up """crisis""" - "many people are saying", weasel-word filled lists of grievances, a complete refusal to clearly state what "it" is. At least the bagofhammers gave us a good example case

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Just now, Captainant said:

It's the same calling card as every other trumped-up """crisis""" - "many people are saying", weasel-word filled lists of grievances, a complete refusal to clearly state what "it" is. At least the bagofhammers gave us a good example case

You mean like the constant screeching of "we're seeing crime at levels no one has ever seen before!" in cities where....the crime right is and has been steadily DECLINING?  

You know, just to pluck an example out of the air at random.

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I guess we have the answer. From today's WaPo article:

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But Kevin Eltife, chairman of the University of Texas System Board of Regents, said they were honored that their flagship school had been named “as one of only nine institutions in the U.S. selected by the Trump Administration for potential funding advantages.”

“We enthusiastically look forward to engaging with university officials and reviewing the compact immediately,” he said. They have been working closely with state leaders to implement sweeping changes to strengthen higher education in Texas, he said.

But hey, at least we'll get invitations to hang with the President:

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A White House official on Thursday said the administration does not plan to limit federal funding solely to schools that sign the compact, “but they would be given priority for grants when possible as well as invitations for White House events and discussions with officials.”

Of course, when you read the following, it's clear it's all a big grift and any leadership that signs up for this is encouraging extortion and placing their school at the whims of highly partisan bureaucrats. I don't think you can remain a university in the basic sense of the word if you're always looking over your shoulder and trying to appease these guys:
 

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If the Justice Department determines that a school that signed onto the compact violated the terms, the school will lose all money advanced by the government that year, the document says.

Maybe we'll just be eaten by that other school in town--The University of Austin Longhorns?

Gift link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2025/10/03/trump-administration-college-funding-compact/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNzU5NDY0MDAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNzYwODQ2Mzk5LCJpYXQiOjE3NTk0NjQwMDAsImp0aSI6IjU0NmEwYzRhLWMwMGUtNDI1OC04ZmI2LWI1OTc3YjQ2ZmZkMCIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9lZHVjYXRpb24vMjAyNS8xMC8wMy90cnVtcC1hZG1pbmlzdHJhdGlvbi1jb2xsZWdlLWZ1bmRpbmctY29tcGFjdC8ifQ.JYZAKfhqlHeOg82i8C1ZPhd9uiqrvN17uKRDeBiQ3-o

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Reese Bennett said:

I don't think you can remain a university in the basic sense of the word if you're always looking over your shoulder and trying to appease these guys:

What everyone needs to realize - universities, businesses, EVERYONE -- is that when "plata o plomo" is on the table (and that's absolutely what this, and all of the administration's garbage, is -- either appease us and be favored by us, or do not appease us and be punished)....you have a choice of HOW and maybe WHEN you will suffer, but not IF you will suffer.

Defy the admin?  Suffer now.  BUT, maintain your integrity going forward.

Appease the admin?  Suffer more, later.  Because now, THEY OWN YOU.  And you are beholden to them.  So the next demand they make . . . you won't even be in the position to defy/turn it down.  You just have to keep bowing, and keep bending, lower and lower, until you are belly crawling for their amusement.

Accept that there is no current "winning" move.  But there is a move that sets you up to lose less.  And that move is never, ever appeasement.

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Posted (edited)
35 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

The fact this has so many likes tells you all you need to know about team vs principles.  

 

Maybe I'm misunderstanding. So on one hand, I get your sentiment. But it is amusing to me that conservatives/Repubs try to act with some moral grounds and frame it as team vs principles on this, especially in our current political climate. What Newsom is doing is the same crap Trump is doing. But contextually, it's to counter Trump to preserve the principles in higher education in my opinion. Does the ends justify the means? <shrug> Yes... 

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3 minutes ago, YChang said:

 

Maybe I'm misunderstanding. So on one hand, I get your sentiment. But it is amusing to me that conservatives/Repubs try to act with some moral grounds and frame it as team vs principles on this, especially in our current political climate. What Newsom is doing is the same crap Trump is doing. But contextually, it's to counter Trump to preserve the principles in higher education in my opinion. Does the ends justify the means? <shrug> Yes... 

Nah, you're either for tying grant funding to ideological/political litmus tests or you're not. Surl seems to be fine or outraged by this depending on team and context.  

I think it's terrible policy either way.  

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3 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

Nah, you're either for tying grant funding to ideological/political litmus tests or you're not. Surl seems to be fine or outraged by this depending on team and context.  

I think it's terrible policy either way.  

i think you're missing something.  isn't he saying "don't be bribed into your university becoming political?" he's not saying "be D, not R."  he's saying "be an education facility independent of political influence"

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6 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

Nah, you're either for tying grant funding to ideological/political litmus tests or you're not. Surl seems to be fine or outraged by this depending on team and context.  

I think it's terrible policy either way.  

So how do states or anyone fight back? And keep in mind the old order and rules are dead

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