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10 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Um perhaps you should. Specifically William Shirer’s “Nightmare Years.”
 

Y’all win! Y’all have convinced me to valiantly run away like Sir Robin.

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8 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

Sauer and RFK, Jr. and their fucked-up voices need to be thrown off a cliff.

Just thinking this myself.  

 

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I think bozo's point is that while Twatter may suck and us bystanders may want to get off, candidates, the party, and those that consider themselves thought leaders or persuaders need to stay on.

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10 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

I would invest in a company that intentionally spammed conspiracies to target and take down Republicans. Some of those QAnon assholes would bite

“Make the son of a bitch deny it”

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A bit of an explainer on injunction scope.  

In the usual case, an injunction applies only to the parties to the case:  the enjoined party cannot do unto the opposing party.  Most court cases only have application as between the two parties, except as one form or another of precedential value (law of the case, claim or issue preclusion, persuasive precedent, or controlling precedent) on other cases.

In a case where the government is a party, however, the injunction usually involve a determination that the government's action is invalid, and then, it's not so much the injunction, but the holding of invalidity that becomes the issue.  How far does that extend? 

In the usual case, a district court holding has limited precedential value:  it really only controls the parties before the court, and maybe (persuasive) other courts within the district.  Once it is affirmed by the court of appeals, it becomes a binding precedent in that circuit, and whatever states comprise it.  And becomes not controlling precedent, but "advisory" or persuasive to courts in other circuits  If ruled upon and affirmed by SCOTUS, it's nationally controlling precedent.

Which brings us back to the injunction.  How far should the government be permitted to continue to enforce a law or policy that has been held invalid by only one court.  Granted, that ruling in and of itself may cast the law or policy into serious doubt, but then there's Reed O'Connor.

Without extending the holding beyond the parties, you get a different ruling from every district court considering, some enjoining some not, and on differing grounds.  

Once it makes it to courts of appeal, you get something like 11 variants, one for each circuit.

You avoid that "chaos" by permitting either circuit-wide effect (11 variations) or national effect (no variations).

Apart from the current crisis issues, it's an interesting question.

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5 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Goddamn, y’all are dead set on missing the point. 

So you're saying on the outside we can't understand, and on the inside you can't explain?

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4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think bozo's point is that while Twatter may suck and us bystanders may want to get off, candidates, the party, and those that consider themselves thought leaders or persuaders need to stay on.

The Office Thank You GIF
 

would also add that it serves the rest of us as a window into that how the world interacts with normies, since that’s the platform all the normies use, like it or not. 

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18 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The Office Thank You GIF
 

would also add that it serves the rest of us as a window into that how the world interacts with normies, since that’s the platform all the normies use, like it or not. 

Pssstttt.....there are no "normies."  Not anymore.

Just psychopaths/sociopaths, those who are under their spell, and sane people who are frozen and feel helpless because we don't know how to speak even base-level "absolute nutbar batshittery."

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8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Pssstttt.....there are no "normies."  Not anymore.

It’s like “They Live.” Most people are asleep, blinded by normality and sedated by comfort.

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5 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

except there's no Rowdy Roddy Piper coming to save us

Reason number eleventy billion to hate this timeline: no Rowdy Roddy Piper.

Fucking Merle Haggard and Don Williams are dead.

Anne Murray retired years ago.

I mean, fuck this moment in time.

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3 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The Office Thank You GIF
 

would also add that it serves the rest of us as a window into that how the world interacts with normies, since that’s the platform all the normies use, like it or not. 

Eh, I understand the point but it strikes me as arguing that a voluntary social platform is too big to fail for the good of the country and society has to have that specific company. It’s like arguing we had to stay on MySpace instead of letting other platforms like twitter arise and do their thing. Saying politicians and thought leaders need a twitter voice instead of any other social media voice strikes me against the natural order. 

abandon twitter, join better non-Nazi loving sights, The world keeps turning. 

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On 5/15/2025 at 1:53 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

I knew George Washington, I worked with George Washington and you’re no George Washington

Armybrat, probably.

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1 hour ago, achooloco said:

understand the point but it strikes me as arguing that a voluntary social platform is too big to fail for the good of the country and society has to have that specific company. It’s like arguing we had to stay on MySpace instead of letting other platforms like twitter arise and do their thing.

My guy you are skipping ahead to the park where Twitter has already shrunk. We’re still at the point where Twitter is dominant, and it would be marketing malpractice for democrats to ignore it in favor of encouraging the exodus to <insert whatever lefty-approved space> before only hardcore maga is left behind.  
 

Democrats (in their capacity as political actors) getting off Twitter in 2025 would be like a Toyota getting off MySpace in 2008. It’s just not time yet. 

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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

My guy you are skipping ahead to the park where Twitter has already shrunk. We’re still at the point where Twitter is dominant, and it would be marketing malpractice for democrats to ignore it in favor of encouraging the exodus to <insert whatever lefty-approved space> before only hardcore maga is left behind.  
 

Democrats (in their capacity as political actors) getting off Twitter in 2025 would be like a Toyota getting off MySpace in 2008. It’s just not time yet. 

agreed. I hope one day it's transferred back to capable hands, but I suspect that won't happen. musk purchased that platform to help control the narrative and sure as shit succeeded at that. the only way I see him giving it up is if he decides to shrink away from public life, which I could actually see him doing. he's wildly unpopular right now, from all sides

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I saw a headline yesterday that oral arguments suggested they'd let the president end birthright citizenship. I'm struggling to see it, the usual two will of course allow it, but I gotta think at least two of Roberts, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Barrett would read the fucking document and say no.

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4 minutes ago, &#x27;stache said:

I saw a headline yesterday that oral arguments suggested they'd let the president end birthright citizenship. I'm struggling to see it, the usual two will of course allow it, but I gotta think at least two of Roberts, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Barrett would read the fucking document and say no.

Barrett may as well be a liberal justice at this point. Kavanaugh will do whatever Roberts says. Gorsuch is a bit of a wildcard. 

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8 minutes ago, &#x27;stache said:

I saw a headline yesterday that oral arguments suggested they'd let the president end birthright citizenship. I'm struggling to see it, the usual two will of course allow it, but I gotta think at least two of Roberts, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Barrett would read the fucking document and say no.

I didn't read a bunch about the arguments, but I heard Nina Totenberg's report on NPR yesterday, and from what she said and the excerpts from the justices they played, it felt like Barrett and Kavanaugh seemed really skeptical at Trump's position.  Even that fuckwad Alito had a comment on the nationwide injunction issue that seemed like he had trouble with the government's argument.

I say that, and in a couple months I'm going to read a 6-3 opinion that will allow the Trump administration to immediately deport every U.S. born citizen who's parents were not born in America.

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33 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

agreed. I hope one day it's transferred back to capable hands, but I suspect that won't happen. musk purchased that platform to help control the narrative and sure as shit succeeded at that. the only way I see him giving it up is if he decides to shrink away from public life, which I could actually see him doing. he's wildly unpopular right now, from all sides

It’s in decline and it will die eventually. When the Next Big Thing appears, it will fall pretty fast, we just aren’t there yet. 

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Just now, South Austin said:

I didn't read a bunch about the arguments, but I heard Nina Totenberg's report on NPR yesterday, and from what she said and the excerpts from the justices they played, it felt like Barrett and Kavanaugh seemed really skeptical at Trump's position.  Even that fuckwad Alito had a comment on the nationwide injunction issue that seemed like he had trouble with the government's argument.

I say that, and in a couple months I'm going to read a 6-3 opinion that will allow the Trump administration to immediately deport every U.S. born citizen who's parents were not born in America.

wouldn't that be all of trump's children except Tiff?



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