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21 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Siap...

Former Texas Longhorns linebacker and All-Southwest honoree Brian Jones weighed in on the “The Eyes of Texas” controversy in a recent column with the Houston Chronicle.

He suggest not just the players, but coaches, fans, everyone, kneel to the song.

From the Chronicle: “To mark the moment of the song’s transformation from school song to anthem of accountability, I hope the team will not only sing along with their “Hook ’em Horns” hand sign, but do so kneeling, signaling not submission but instead taking a reverential pose to convey their embrace of the solemnity of the moment. The idea of a stadium full of Longhorns players and fans kneeling together is almost too moving to imagine.With that new underpinning, the song will take on even greater meaning, whether it is sung at sporting events or Longhorns family reunions and weddings. We are fond of saying that “what starts at the University of Texas changes the world,” and we can prove it with this move toward a new era of justice and equality for all.  I’ve always loved the song’s ending, when we shout, “The Eyes of Texas are upon you until Gabriel blows his horn.” In the coming days, when we sing that together, we will be reminded that a struggle as old as humanity can be brought to a heavenly conclusion on earth in our lifetimes. That will be a legacy that any old athlete, any human would be proud to have.”

 

(Kinda hard for fans in the stands to kneel, but the coaches, players, and folks on the field could certainly kneel.)

Also this podcast...         (Siap)

 

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More than 80% of all American millionaires are self made; fewer than 20% inherited at least 10% of their wealth.  More than 50% of all millionaires did not inherit a dollar.

Two things here. First post the source. Second, millionaires making sure their kids get incredibly good educations and jobs out of college makes it almost a certainty that the kids become millionaires before they inherit anything.

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Then you haven't read very much of it. Especially go back in look at Brad in Atx's posts.

It's telling that you equate having to deal with the loss of symbols of racism to having a boot on your head. Not that anyone on this thread is surprised by that.

 

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6 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:


Two things here. First post the source. Second, millionaires making sure their kids get incredibly good educations and jobs out of college makes it almost a certainty that the kids become millionaires before they inherit anything.

The book is: "The Millionaire Next Door."

Getting a good education and a good job = earning money through work.  In fact, that precisely is the path to prosperity. 

The poster I was responding to stated "Not everyone with money earned it through work, especially in Texas."  The implication he was trying to make is that Texas is full of a bunch of millionaires living off their O&G trust funds.  Sure, there are some of those.  They are the large minority.

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29 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

It's telling that you equate having to deal with the loss of symbols of racism to having a boot on your head. Not that anyone on this thread is surprised by that.

 

No dumbfuck.  I was pointing out that earlier you kept calling me racist without a shred of evidence to support your baseless claim.  I wasn't reacting to the photo at all.

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The way The Millionaire Next Door works is that basically millionaire doesn't mean much anymore.

It's probably still a fairly rarefied percentage of the American population because Americans are lousy savers.  Looks like its about 3% of the US population. It means they'll probably have a comfortable retirement if health doesn't get in the way.

But a millionaire is middle or upper middle class that saved and invested and probably made good home choices and did not live an extravagant lifestyle.  Not much more.  Relative to the "moneyed elite" that wield power and have fuck you money, there are probably 100x more millionaires, maybe even 1000x.  A millionaire is not fuck you money.  Neither is a multi-millionaire.  Multiple 10s or 100s of millions is getting there.

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2 hours ago, Stannis said:

More than 80% of all American millionaires are self made; fewer than 20% inherited at least 10% of their wealth.  More than 50% of all millionaires did not inherit a dollar.

So what you're saying is, a whole lot of the richest Americans inherited all or sizable portion of their wealth.

 

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Have our LBs tweeted out anything about all the young minorities that were murdered this weekend?

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55 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The way The Millionaire Next Door works is that basically millionaire doesn't mean much anymore.

It's probably still a fairly rarefied percentage of the American population because Americans are lousy savers.  Looks like its about 3% of the US population. It means they'll probably have a comfortable retirement if health doesn't get in the way.

But a millionaire is middle or upper middle class that saved and invested and probably made good home choices and did not live an extravagant lifestyle.  Not much more.  Relative to the "moneyed elite" that wield power and have fuck you money, there are probably 100x more millionaires, maybe even 1000x.  A millionaire is not fuck you money.  Neither is a multi-millionaire.  Multiple 10s or 100s of millions is getting there.

Thats what I was thinking. It’s not that hard to be a millionaire now a days. 

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13 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

So what you're saying is, a whole lot of the richest Americans inherited all or sizable portion of their wealth.

sure.  most of them, though, didn’t. 

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2 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Also this podcast...         (Siap)

 

Sorry to say this but after standing a game in the heat, the last thing anyone could pay me to do is kneel. As to an entire crowd of fans, there is not a stadium in America that would allow it to be physically possible.

 

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51 minutes ago, futureman said:

sure.  most of them, though, didn’t. 

It's a good thing no one said most of them did. Glad we're on the same page.

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Urban districts spend more per student than the suburban districts.  That's a fact, no matter how much you spit in the wind.

One extremely significant factor that isn’t reflected in district spending per student is parental involvement with both time and money (extracurricular and donations to PTA that gets funneled into the school). I can’t cite any numbers but I would imagine that involvement will be heavily weighted in favor of suburban districts.

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1 hour ago, HtownHorn said:

Have our LBs tweeted out anything about all the young minorities that were murdered this weekend?

If they did, would you actually give a shit about what they want changed? Somehow I doubt it. They don't have to tweet about every young minority murdered over the weekend. They are wanting specific changes from the university they attend and play for. 

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27 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:


One extremely significant factor that isn’t reflected in district spending per student is parental involvement with both time and money (extracurricular and donations to PTA that gets funneled into the school). I can’t cite any numbers but I would imagine that involvement will be heavily weighted in favor of suburban districts.

Yes it much harder for single parent families to be heavily involved with both time and money.

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1 minute ago, mdmost said:

If they did, would you actually give a shit about what they want changed? Somehow I doubt it. They don't have to tweet about every young minority murdered over the weekend. They are wanting specific changes from the university they attend and play for. 

So then Black Lives don't really matter. If you want them to have a voice, I do, then be consistent with your messaging. Remember this didn't start with statues, building names, or the Eyes. It started because of the brutal murder of a black man.

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5 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

So then Black Lives don't really matter. If you want them to have a voice, I do, then be consistent with your messaging. Remember this didn't start with statues, building names, or the Eyes. It started because of the brutal murder of a black man.

No, you're conflating two different things. They already did their march and made their voices heard on BLM. Now they want to change icons to racism at UT like statues, building names, and debatably, the Eyes. Just because they don't speak about every young black man or woman killed over a given weekend doesn't mean their message is inconsistent. They are using their voices after becoming active based on George Floyd's murder. This trying to catch them as being inconsistent so you can write off what they're wanting is disingenuous at best. Just like all the other ridiculous slippery slope arguments made on here. 

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38 minutes ago, Sgt Hulk said:

so now we are arguing about wealth because ya'll entertain and quote these douchebag cloak room jerkoffs that leave their hole. 

NM

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Inappropriate, Clark!

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15 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Still believe things will get worked out...

Some players anxious to play Texas Football Again!! 🤘 

 

I'm curious what Jordan's life experience was growing up in a small Texas town opposed to Brenan Eagles or Anthony Cook being from Waco or Houston, (still confused on that one). I'm guessing Jordan knew just about everyone in Cuero and vice-versa which probably made his experience much more pleasant. I'm guessing small town athletes experience far less racism compared to their urban school counterparts. IMO, the best way to get over racist tendencies is to get to know people. Hard to hate someone simply because of skin color once you get to know them. Now if they're an asshole it's pretty damn easy to dislike regardless of skin color. 

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7 hours ago, bullet said:

He's had a series of dorms named after him.  Nothing controversial on campus about honoring Brackenridge.  He was born in Indiana, moved here when young and had 3 brothers fight for the Confederacy.  Guess we can't have a Brackenridge name on anything.

I am aware of who Brackenridge was. Littlefield wasn't born in Texas either, btw. It was just a joke about their rivalry to see who could be the biggest donor in Austin, with the fact that Brackenridge was a Unionist who served in the Lincoln administration (despite his treasonous brothers) and Littlefield was a rebel being the backdrop.

I don't think we should cancel a man because his brothers suck. I mean who wouldn't be canceled in that case?

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10 minutes ago, CfRhTxStBobcats said:

I'm curious what Jordan's life experience was growing up in a small Texas town opposed to Brenan Eagles or Anthony Cook being from Waco or Houston, (still confused on that one). I'm guessing Jordan knew just about everyone in Cuero and vice-versa which probably made his experience much more pleasant. I'm guessing small town athletes experience far less racism compared to their urban school counterparts. IMO, the best way to get over racist tendencies is to get to know people. Hard to hate someone simply because of skin color once you get to know them. Now if they're an asshole it's pretty damn easy to dislike regardless of skin color. 

That is a theory. I am not sure that holds up, that small towns are less racist, but it is a nice thought.

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To be fair, the Mississippi flag thing wasnt quite as overnight as it seems. Keeping the stars and bars in the corner of the flag was already a compromise, and one that has been under attack ever since it was adopted a while back. This whole thing was just a convenient excuse to change it once and for all and be done with it.
The Georgia flag is an almost exact copy of the stars and bars. The Mississippi flag had the confederate battle flag in the corner.

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That is a theory. I am not sure that holds up, that small towns are less racist, but it is a nice thought.

Yea, lotsa small texas towns are pretty fuckin racist

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5 hours ago, williemackgarza said:


Yea, lotsa small texas towns are pretty fuckin racist

East Texas might be the most racist area in the state and is almost entirely made up of small towns. I remember playing Huffman-Hargrave in highschool and I had never heard so much racist shit in my life.

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On 7/2/2020 at 10:51 PM, BradInATX said:

Yep, I'm clearly the emotional one here.

~~~Sweeeeeeeeeeeet Emooootion~~~

Talkin' bout things but nobody cares,

Wearin' out things that nobody wears,

You're calling my name but I gotta make clear,

Can't say baby where I'll be in a year

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16 hours ago, David Dennison said:

So what you're saying is, a whole lot of the richest Americans inherited all or sizable portion of their wealth.

 

No, he’s trying to tell you only 12% inherited more than 10% of their wealth.

88% is a “whole lot”, 12% not so much.

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16 hours ago, Goodman said:

Sorry to say this but after standing a game in the heat, the last thing anyone could pay me to do is kneel. As to an entire crowd of fans, there is not a stadium in America that would allow it to be physically possible.

 

I’ll be happy to kneel on your wife’s neck in front of my seat.

Does she have long hair?

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6 hours ago, BayouBill said:

East Texas might be the most racist area in the state and is almost entirely made up of small towns. I remember playing Huffman-Hargrave in highschool and I had never heard so much racist shit in my life.

Might be?

Um yeah...

The Jasper/Vidor combination pretty much confirms it. 

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On 7/3/2020 at 6:29 PM, David Dennison said:

Those kids you want to tell to fuck off can effectively end the Texas football program if they so choose. They know that now.

Nothing's over til we say it's over...was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor......

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On 7/4/2020 at 12:59 PM, ChickenSandwich said:

If we follow this sound reasoning....

150yrs ago White people owned slaves. They were racists

Ergo, all White people are racist. 

Any argument otherwise is racist. 

You know what I think about all this race shit?

 

Richard Petty won more of them than anyone else...

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On 7/4/2020 at 12:38 PM, Valmy77 said:

Um I've been Working on the Railroad is already a minstrel type song.

You got any objections to "Working on South Austins Mom"?

We can come up with some dandy lyrics.

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7 hours ago, SHOOTER12 said:

You got any objections to "Working on South Austins Mom"?

We can come up with some dandy lyrics.

Pair it up with “Knockin’ on Heaven’s Door”
& you might actually have something here.

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On 7/6/2020 at 5:24 PM, LTtxfan said:

Also this podcast...         (Siap)

 

God Bless Brian Jones.  The anti-pussy drama queen.

Well done BJ!

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On 7/6/2020 at 9:13 PM, mdmost said:

If they did, would you actually give a shit about what they want changed? Somehow I doubt it. They don't have to tweet about every young minority murdered over the weekend. They are wanting specific changes from the university they attend and play for. 

silence-is-violence-george-floyd-protest

Slippery slope somethin' somethin'...

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On 7/6/2020 at 11:30 PM, JMFP said:

The Georgia flag is an almost exact copy of the stars and bars. The Mississippi flag had the confederate battle flag in the corner.
 

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18 hours ago, Veerbone said:

No, he’s trying to tell you only 12% inherited more than 10% of their wealth.

88% is a “whole lot”, 12% not so much.

20% of 18.6 million is a lot.

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1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

20% of 18.6 million is a lot.

Good for them, and their families for making sure they were taken care of. The American dream to ensure your children have it better than you did.  

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1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

20% of 18.6 million is a lot.

Inaccurate & flawed mentality.  You serve your side very well.

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5 hours ago, JohnnyRage said:

41rxpmmkTwL._AC_.jpg

From wiki:

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Pretty similar but no one seems to notice.

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15 minutes ago, JMFP said:

From wiki:

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Pretty similar but no one seems to notice.

It helps that the above, the actual "Stars and Bars," was never really adopted by the Klan or other hate groups, as opposed to the battle flag.

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Also, the Confederate battle flag was actually the battle flag of Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia ("ANV"). The actual confederate battle flag was the Stainless Banner for most of the war (which included the ANV battle flag in the corner). Only later through the Lost Cause and other organizations did the ANV battle flag become "the Confederate Battle Flag"

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 Historian Gary Gallagher has written persuasively that it was Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia, not the Confederate government, that best embodied Confederate nationalism. Lee’s stunning victories in 1862–63 made his army’s battle flag the popular choice as the new national flag. On May 1, 1863, the Confederacy adopted a flag—known colloquially as the Stainless Banner—featuring the ANV battle flag emblazoned on a white field. For the remainder of the Confederacy’s life, the soldiers’ flag was also, in effect, the national flag.

Far from being suppressed, the Confederate version of history and Confederate symbols became mainstream in the postwar South. The Confederate national flags were part of that mainstream, but the battle flag was clearly preeminent. The United Confederate Veterans (UCV) issued a report in 1904 defining the square ANV pattern flag as the Confederate battle flag, effectively writing out of the historical record the wide variety of battle flags under which Confederate soldiers had served. The efforts of the UCV and the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) to promote that “correct” battle flag pattern over the “incorrect” rectangular pattern (the Army of Tennessee’s or the naval jack) were frustrated by the public’s demand for rectangular versions that could serve as the Confederate equivalent of the Stars and Stripes. What is remarkable looking back from the 21st century is that, from the 1870s and into the 1940s, Confederate heritage organizations used the flag widely in their rituals memorializing and celebrating the Confederacy and its heroes, yet managed to maintain effective ownership of the flag and its meaning. The flag was a familiar part of the South’s symbolic landscape, but how and where it was used was controlled. Hints of change were evident by the early 20th century. The battle flag had emerged not only as the most popular symbol of the Confederacy, but also of the South more generally. By the 1940s, as Southern men mingled more frequently with non-Southerners in the U.S. Armed Forces and met them on the gridiron, they expressed their identity as Southerners with Confederate battle flags.

The flag’s appearance in conjunction with Southern collegiate football was auspicious. College campuses are often incubators of cultural change, and they apparently were for the battle flag. This probably is owed to the Kappa Alpha Order, a Southern fraternity founded at Washington College (now Washington and Lee University) in 1865, when R.E. Lee was its president. A Confederate memorial organization in its own right, Kappa Alpha was also a fraternity and introduced Confederate symbols into collegiate life. It was in the hands of students that the flag burst onto the political scene in 1948. Student delegates from Southern colleges and universities waved battle flags on the floor of the Southern States Rights Party convention in July 1948.

Stainless Banner

Stainless Banner | Confederate flag | Britannica

 

 

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On 7/6/2020 at 6:48 PM, TwiceHorn said:

The way The Millionaire Next Door works is that basically millionaire doesn't mean much anymore.

It's probably still a fairly rarefied percentage of the American population because Americans are lousy savers.  Looks like its about 3% of the US population. It means they'll probably have a comfortable retirement if health doesn't get in the way.

But a millionaire is middle or upper middle class that saved and invested and probably made good home choices and did not live an extravagant lifestyle.  Not much more.  Relative to the "moneyed elite" that wield power and have fuck you money, there are probably 100x more millionaires, maybe even 1000x.  A millionaire is not fuck you money.  Neither is a multi-millionaire.  Multiple 10s or 100s of millions is getting there.

Tell that to the guys in the hood trading stock on robinhood 

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6 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Siap...

 

And both together will not give combined what 2 of the old white BMD's will give. Jay and CDC will have to make a business decision at some point. It's not about feelings, it's about which side will bring in the most money. 

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That’s the way it works in DC with the political system,unfortunately.

But donthe newer generations of BMDs think the same way as their elders? Maybe, maybe not. 
 

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On 7/8/2020 at 11:29 AM, Neonmoon said:

 

Stainless Banner | Confederate flag | Britannica

 

 

I prefer this variation on this Confederate Flag seen here at Fort Donelson in 1862. I hear it was also used at such heroic Confederate battles as Port Hudson, Vicksburg, Appomattox and Bennett Place. It is the real Confederate Flag.

surrender-of-fort-donelson-9.jpg

 

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Posted (edited)

So, they stole it from the French?

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17 hours ago, Brothahorn said:

And both together will not give combined what 2 of the old white BMD's will give. Jay and CDC will have to make a business decision at some point. It's not about feelings, it's about which side will bring in the most money. 

In this case the money side at least has the truth on their side.

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