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6 minutes ago, Pancho said:

So are republicans using the phrase “Democrat Party” as some sort of code or something?  McCarthy used it today press briefing. 

Sounds uneducated. 

Only for the last four years or so.  Where you been, man.  They can't call it "democratic" because it isn't.  It's socialist!  Hurrr durr.  I think Trump more or less invented it.

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So are republicans using the phrase “Democrat Party” as some sort of code or something?  McCarthy used it today press briefing. 
Sounds uneducated. 

They’ve been doing it for years. If it ever had an edge, it’s long gone. Not that they’d know better

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3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Only for the last four years or so.  Where you been, man.  They can't call it "democratic" because it isn't.  It's socialist!  Hurrr durr.  I think Trump more or less invented it.

What? Decades old

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5 minutes ago, Lurch said:


They’ve been doing it for years. If it ever had an edge, it’s long gone. Not that they’d know better

This, they’ve been doing it since at least the 80’s. Supposedly they did some research that found people felt it sounded abrasive or negative. I dunno, it’s just their usual troll job.

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On 6/26/2020 at 6:50 PM, cactusflinthead said:

Thread ahoy.

Edit: Dinesh is in denial of a Southern Strategy of the GOP.

 

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Pretty sure the people of Oklahoma are going to vote in favor of Medicaid expansion tonight for 200k individuals in the state.

Nebraska, Idaho, Utah and now Oklahoma. Socialists. All of them. Vote for a Republicans to protect you against yourself

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14 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

I mean, he’s not really wrong. People that wear masks are smarter, more rational, and morally superior. I’m not sure where the argument is there. 

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2 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

Pretty sure the people of Oklahoma are going to vote in favor of Medicaid expansion tonight for 200k individuals in the state.

Nebraska, Idaho, Utah and now Oklahoma. Socialists. All of them. Vote for a Republicans to protect you against yourself

Medicaid expansion passes by 6K votes in Oklahoma. Republican Governors should take note they keep losing this when it’s put up for a vote. May as well take the goodwill yourself and expand.

Medicaid expansion vote is up next in Missouri.

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4 hours ago, Pancho said:

So are republicans using the phrase “Democrat Party” as some sort of code or something?  McCarthy used it today press briefing. 

Sounds uneducated. 

They think it’s an insult kind of like aggy calling us t-sips. 

Edited by NameAlreadyInUse

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

insider self dealing? is that like touching yourself?

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8 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

how do we get it on the ballot in texas ?

 

This could be wrong, but I believe there needs to be a joint resolution that passes by 2/3rds in the House and Senate. Then it gets put on the ballot as a constitutional amendment that voters decide on. I’d rather just take back the Governor though.

https://ballotpedia.org/Signature_requirements_for_ballot_measures_in_Texas

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On 6/26/2020 at 6:50 PM, cactusflinthead said:

Thread ahoy.

Edit: Dinesh is in denial of a Southern Strategy of the GOP.

What is it with Dinesh and other hardcore Republicans touting this thing that the parties didn’t switch? Or that the southern strategy didn’t happen? Where does this come from and why? I have tried to find some decent literature but haven’t had a lot of success. 

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Dinesh is what an idiot thinks a intelligent person looks like.

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10 hours ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

 

 

First in for Jon Stewart-2024.

what middle class?

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3 hours ago, theaveragejon said:

What is it with Dinesh and other hardcore Republicans touting this thing that the parties didn’t switch? Or that the southern strategy didn’t happen? Where does this come from and why? I have tried to find some decent literature but haven’t had a lot of success. 

Denial and deception.

Great read on the history of it:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-republican-choice/

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Turns out "conservatives"  favor expanding Obamacare.  Who would have thunk it?


 

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Some Wyoming legislators recently took a fresh look at the program, too, as they watched job losses mount. “I’ve voted against it about 10 times, never voted for it,” said the state’s House speaker, Steve Harshman, a Republican. “Now I’m thinking of our work force. We’re a mineral and oil kind of state. That’s a lot of able-bodied adults in a lot of industries who will probably need some coverage.”



https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/republican-leaders-want-to-end-obamacare-their-voters-are-expanding-it/ar-BB16dwxj?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds

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4 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

What a fucking asshole.

"Well you know, I never thought about all the people in Wyoming who need help. Honest, hard-working people who have fallen on hard times and deserve healthcare.

But now that enough of those people might actually vote me out because hard times have hit my constituency, why suddenly I have found my morals!"

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9 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

And this is why they must be smoten.

Destroyed.  Then bombed to make the rubble bounce.  Then burn the rubble.  Then salt on the ashes.  Then piss on the salted ashes.

Republicans must be defeated in every race they run, everywhere they run.

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This is my dad. I'm guessing he's day drunk and has never been known as the wordsmith of the family, but this is exactly the type of voter trump has alienated. Lived his whole life in Texas and will not pull the lever for a R candidate while these cretins are in office:

 

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10 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

"Kill 'em." Houston GOP powerbroker Steve Hotze left Greg Abbott a voicemail requesting National Guard "shoot to kill" rioters
 

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/03/steve-hotze-texas-greg-abbott-rioters/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Yeah....was just coming here to post that.  Let's get the full quote, shall we?  And remember, Texas GOP -- these are your powerbrokers.  They are the voice and financiers of your party.  Your party, which is a fucking murderous death cult:

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"I want you to give a message to the governor," Hotze told Abbott's chief of staff, Luis Saenz, in a voicemail. "I want to make sure that he has National Guard down here and they have the order to shoot to kill if any of these son-of-a-bitch people start rioting like they have in Dallas, start tearing down businesses — shoot to kill the son of a bitches. That’s the only way you restore order. Kill ‘em. Thank you."

Yeah.   He wants shoot to kill orders.  From National Guard troops.  Not to protect human life, or to respond to threats to human life....but just to "restore order."

If you ever wonder whether the GOP places the value of "order" over, say, YOUR FUCKING LIFE, wonder no longer (of course, if you still had any doubt, you were a complete moron).

It's a murderous fascist death cult party.  There's really not anything to them.  Your life has value if it can bring them profit.  If not, you are as expendable as a fucking kleenex.

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6 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah....was just coming here to post that.  Let's get the full quote, shall we?  And remember, Texas GOP -- these are your powerbrokers.  They are the voice and financiers of your party.  Your party, which is a fucking murderous death cult:

Yeah.   He wants shoot to kill orders.  From National Guard troops.  Not to protect human life, or to respond to threats to human life....but just to "restore order."

If you ever wonder whether the GOP places the value of "order" over, say, YOUR FUCKING LIFE, wonder no longer (of course, if you still had any doubt, you were a complete moron).

It's a murderous fascist death cult party.  There's really not anything to them.  Your life has value if it can bring them profit.  If not, you are as expendable as a fucking kleenex.

fascism indeed

he's saying it. guarantee many others are feeling it.

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On 7/3/2020 at 7:59 AM, Biff Tannen said:

And this is why they must be smoten.

Your hope is that the military at some level is getting its shit together now. understanding who is a shill and who actively more concerned with survival of the country.

because they better be ready to smote some mf'ers in early Nov. Trump isn't loosing one way or the other. 

there are no other mechanisms i can see that will act apolitically. maybe the SC? doesn't matter when one party continues to provide a cloud of confusion in which to operate.

pandemic is pretty much the worst thing that could have happened. or the best, depending on the timeline i guess

 

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Everything Trump touches dies, example #6931:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/us/politics/republican-convention-jacksonville-charlotte.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

 

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The abrupt uprooting of the Republican National Convention from Charlotte to Jacksonville has created a tangled financial predicament for party officials as they effectively try to pay for two big events instead of one.

Tens of millions of dollars have already been spent in a city that will now host little more than a G.O.P. business meeting, and donors are wary of opening their wallets again to bankroll a Jacksonville gathering thrown into uncertainty by a surge in coronavirus cases.

 

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Organizers are trying to assuage vexed Republicans who collectively gave millions of dollars for a Charlotte event that has mostly been scrapped. The host committee there has spent virtually all of the $38 million it raised before the convention was moved, leaving almost nothing to return to donors, or to pass on to the new host city.

In Jacksonville, fund-raisers are describing the process as the most difficult they have ever confronted: Florida has been setting daily records for new virus cases, freezing money as donors wait and worry about the safety risks of the pandemic.

 

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“I don’t want to encourage people getting sick,” said Stanley S. Hubbard, a Minnesota billionaire who has donated more than $2 million to help Republicans, including President Trump, since the beginning of the 2016 election.

Mr. Hubbard, who donated $25,000 to the R.N.C.’s convention account in 2018, is hesitant to give to the Jacksonville host committee because he thinks it is ill advised to hold the convention in the midst of a pandemic. “Unless this thing goes away, I think it’s a bad choice,” he said.

 

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The threat of the virus and the complicated financial entanglements are just the latest problems to beset an event that Mr. Trump upended last month, after concluding that Charlotte could not guarantee the celebratory coronation he covets. The sudden acrimonious split with Charlotte — and the scramble in Jacksonville to organize in weeks an event that typically takes years — has produced mounting confusion about what the convention will look like and who will pay to help stage it.

Organizers are not holding their breath for generous contributions from big donors, like Sheldon Adelson, the billionaire casino owner, who has given to host committees in the past but has not indicated he plans to support the Jacksonville event. Instead, they are working down long lists of donors who might be willing to give smaller amounts.

But the virus has proved a debilitating impediment for Jacksonville. Florida had recorded almost 180,000 total coronavirus cases through Friday, but the surge in the last month has been dramatic. After reporting 667 new cases on June 1, the state has had more than 5,000 every day since June 24, including more than 10,000 on Thursday. Hospitals across the state have started to sound the alarm about becoming overburdened.

Mr. Trump shunned Charlotte because North Carolina’s Democratic governor, Roy Cooper, would not promise to forgo safety measures like distancing and mask-wearing. In Florida, lawmakers had seemed intent on offering him as unfettered a convention as possible, though in recent days the city of Jacksonville began requiring masks in indoor public settings, a stipulation that will presumably apply at the convention.

Dan Eberhart, a Republican donor who has helped raise money for Mr. Trump in the past, said the Jacksonville convention was “a tough sell,” noting that “many donors’ businesses are severely impacted by the virus and large corporations have pulled in their horns on spending.”

Mr. Eberhart is planning to attend the convention, and said he had been approached by the Jacksonville host committee about donating, but hasn’t decided whether to do so. “There are so many variables right now,” he said.

By the time Mr. Trump decided to move the convention, almost all of the money raised by the Charlotte host committee had been spent on things like salaries, insurance, prepayments on contracts, and other expenses. 

“It’s certainly a challenge,” said Edward E. Burr, a real estate developer and member of the Jacksonville host committee.

Mr. Burr said it was still far from clear exactly what the final run of show will look like, or how many people will attend Mr. Trump’s renominating speech, which is scheduled for Aug. 27. Even some members of the host committee in Jacksonville are privately wondering if the city and the R.N.C. have a Plan B — actually, a Plan C — as they watch the number of coronavirus cases in their state rise.

“This path is a twisty path,” Mr. Burr said. “A lot of things continue to change.”

“I’ve got plenty of friends who said this is a bad thing to do,” he added, “but we are doing it.”

The average economic impact of hosting a convention is about $200 million, and officials in Jacksonville initially estimated that even a hurried version of the Republican event would bring in at least half of that.Credit...Malcolm Jackson for The New York Times

Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, which supervises the convention, said in a statement that her team “will be providing a safe, first-rate experience for convention goers, and we have a highly-skilled team working around the clock to make that happen.”

And Republican officials compared the mad cash dash to a special election, when a condensed time frame creates anxiety, but ultimately the money comes through.

Brian Ballard, the top Republican lobbyist in Florida and one of the party’s major fund-raisers, has been leading the fund-raising operation, along with Katie Walsh, an adviser to the R.N.C. who also helped oversee fund-raising for Charlotte, and Jeff Miller, a leading fund-raiser for Mr. Trump’s re-election campaign.

Big corporate donors who typically make $1 million contributions do so because they want to capitalize on social and branding opportunities at an event that draws lawmakers, lobbyists and business leaders. But right now, it’s not clear to them what the Jacksonville proceedings will look like.

As they start from scratch, fund-raisers are also being delicate about asking Charlotte donors to give again for the Jacksonville run. In an effort to smooth over raw feelings, donors who have already contributed will be able to use any of the perks that came with their donations — like V.I.P. access and reserved hotel rooms — in Jacksonville.

“There’s deep frustration,” said Tariq Bokhari, a Republican City Council member in Charlotte, describing exasperation among prominent local donors. “There are people who’ve put hundreds of thousands if not millions into this. They care that their investment comes to fruition, that our city hosts a major convention and our businesses and hospitality workers get the benefits.”

Organizers in Jacksonville are expecting — hoping — that 15,000 people attend, enough to fill the VyStar Veterans Memorial Arena, which cost about $150,000 for the week (a fraction of the cost of the arena in Charlotte). Still, many delegates remain noncommittal about attending, potentially diminishing the economic boost Jacksonville was counting on.

Perhaps taking that into account — and working on a far tighter timetable — Jacksonville organizers have expressed more modest fund-raising goals, aspiring to raise a fraction of the $70 million Charlotte officials aimed for. 

The Democratic National Convention, scheduled for mid-August in Milwaukee, has already scaled back its ambitions: Organizers have relocated the event to a smaller venue, and state delegations have been urged not to travel in light of the virus.

In 2016, organizers of the Republican convention in Cleveland spent more than $1 million on national fund-raising consultants as they sought to hit their donation goals; they wound up raising about $60 million.

“It was all based on the contract signed two years out that we had spent months negotiating, and months before that understanding what the obligation would be for Cleveland,” said David Gilbert, who organized the 2016 Republican gathering.

Mr. Trump shunned Charlotte because North Carolina’s Democratic governor, Roy Cooper, would not promise to forgo safety measures like distancing and mask-wearing.Credit...Streeter Lecka/Getty Images

Some Republican donors said that, like Mr. Trump, they blamed Mr. Cooper, North Carolina’s governor, for foiling the plans for Charlotte.

“You see the convention go to another state and you know they’re going to reap the benefits, and we desperately needed that,” said Elaine Wordsworth, whose husband, Steve Wordsworth, is a North Carolina businessman who has donated generously to Mr. Trump’s re-election fund.

Indeed, when Jacksonville was selected as the host city for the convention in June, the news was seen by leaders there as a huge financial shot in the arm for a second-tier city that would never have been considered for such a role under normal circumstances. The average economic impact of hosting a convention for the local economy is about $200 million, and officials in Jacksonville initially estimated that even a hurried version of the Republican event would bring in at least half of that.

But now, many of the people involved in the process in Jacksonville are beginning to feel like the dog that caught the car. About 58 percent of registered voters in Duval County, which encompasses Jacksonville, say they are opposed to the city hosting the mass gathering, according to a new poll from the University of Florida, which also showed that 71 percent of voters said they were at least somewhat concerned about transmission of coronavirus.

For Republican officials, untangling the financial knot from the Charlotte convention remains a work in progress. Given the contracts that had been signed and the many parties around the table — including the local host committee, the R.N.C. and the city itself, among others — concerns about potential legal action have figured into managing the fallout, several people connected to the process said.

Patrick Baker, Charlotte’s city attorney, said in an interview that the city itself had spent roughly $14 million preparing for the convention. Much of that went toward insurance and security costs, he said, and the city expected to be reimbursed in full through a federal grant from the Justice Department.

“The focus of the City Council has been to make sure, at a minimum, that we’re made whole and not left holding the bag,” Mr. Baker said.

The Charlotte program has been scaled back to the bare minimum. Only the 168 national committeemen are expected to visit Charlotte. While there, they will attend meetings at one hotel and then take a bus together to the airport, where they will board a chartered plane and fly to Jacksonville for the remainder of the convention, according to someone briefed on the plans.

It’s not clear that Charlotte has gotten the message that the party has fully moved to Jacksonville. The web address 2020venues.comstill reflects a full Charlotte program, referring visitors to an array of destinations and assisting them with details for booking.

“The economic benefit that comes with all the visitor spending, obviously we’re not going to get that, but with the virus we weren’t going to get it anyway,” Mr. Baker said. “I’m glad it’s not my job to put on a convention.”

 

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On 7/1/2020 at 6:35 PM, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

The ACA is a conservative ideal in many ways especially in holding people accountable with purchasing insurance as opposed to showing up at the ER for free healthcare. The mandate penalty and expanded Medicaid are not liked by the right but unfortunately they’re required in order to get the initial goal of everyone covered.

the ACA definitely has problems if only the right would allow it to be modified.

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I hate that cute Bama gear is being co-opted as GOP gear by this knucklehead.

Also, I’m no gun expert but I’m pretty sure she’s not supposed to be sauntering around with that thing like that.


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1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

I hate that cute Bama gear is being co-opted as GOP gear by this knucklehead.

Also, I’m no gun expert but I’m pretty sure she’s not supposed to be sauntering around with that thing like that.

 

She's was born in  Alabama.

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1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

I hate that cute Bama gear is being co-opted as GOP gear by this knucklehead.

Also, I’m no gun expert but I’m pretty sure she’s not supposed to be sauntering around with that thing like that.

 

What kind of a fucked up, paranoid society do these people want to live in, where everybody walks around armed ?

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She's was born in  Alabama.

Of course she was.

She totally got that skort at The Locker Room or The Pants Store in Tuscaloosa.

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1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

 

This should be enough for her to lose reelection on its own. 
 

25 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

lol wut

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2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

This should be enough for her to lose reelection on its own. 
 

lol wut

 


 



 




 




 






Just so you all know that there's more crazy where that came from. I almost wonder if this guy isn't being paid by the Dems to make Republicans look stupid. There's no way this guy could be real, right?

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3 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

This should be enough for her to lose reelection on its own. 

if by “lose reelection” you mean “garner support of 100% of Republicans,” then yes. 

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49 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

There's no way this guy could be real, right?

It certainly seems way over the top. If he’s serious, he needs to be committed. That’s a broken human being. 

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