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41 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I don’t know who his counterpart would’ve been in the third Reich but he’ll be in charge of purging the Executive Branch of anyone who isn’t sufficiently loyal to Trump. 

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The right is pushing the “you can get an abortion any time” trope. My dumb fucking niece reposted a “gotcha” tiktok on it. She works for Daily Wire and I’ve chalked her up as a lost cause. Anyway - this narrative is heating up again and it’s disgusting.

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7 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

The right is pushing the “you can get an abortion any time” trope. My dumb fucking niece reposted a “gotcha” tiktok on it. She works for Daily Wire and I’ve chalked her up as a lost cause. Anyway - this narrative is heating up again and it’s disgusting.

let me guess, also catholic? I'll take evangelical as my second guess

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let me guess, also catholic? I'll take evangelical as my second guess

Second guess is the winner. Super white, evangelical holier than thou “Christian.” Think Instagram Christian with the performative pics / vid of them in their church.
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I've been meaning to ask the board;  does anybody have a clue what the fuck dotard is referencing when he blathers on about "executing the baby" and then keeps yelling "The Governor of Viriginia"? 

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Your niece sucks.

Yep. It’s really unfortunate. Anyway - back to the forced birth people pushing bullshit narratives. That guy has 11,000 responses to his TikTok of women who have been through hell since the overturning of Roe
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21 hours ago, Goofyboy said:


Second guess is the winner. Super white, evangelical holier than thou “Christian.” Think Instagram Christian with the performative pics / vid of them in their church.

Tell her to pull out her Bible and read Numbers 5:11-31. The Bible not only sanctions abortion, it instructs the rabbi how to cast the spell to perform one. 

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2 hours ago, miguelito said:

What does the niece think about this?  (assuming she thinks)

 

Abortions have risen slightly since Roe was overturned, study finds

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/abortions-have-risen-slightly-since-roe-was-overturned-study-finds

But the narrative I saw yesterday says Florida abortions have dropped like 30%.  Nevermind that they probably stayed the same and just went out of state.

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This is simply enraging.  

https://www.propublica.org/article/georgia-abortion-ban-amber-thurman-death?fbclid=IwY2xjawFVnqJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHTvOGh_zzOaPWHoQypY5qvcRQ_XPT5FskBLEPizhbRbEmJqN-mP7Kqyorg_aem_uXC0oM9XD506siicK1w-Xw

 

In her final hours, Amber Nicole Thurman suffered from a grave infection that her suburban Atlanta hospital was well-equipped to treat.

She’d taken abortion pills and encountered a rare complication; she had not expelled all of the fetal tissue from her body. She showed up at Piedmont Henry Hospital in need of a routine procedure to clear it from her uterus, called a dilation and curettage, or D&C.

But just that summer, her state had made performing the procedure a felony, with few exceptions. Any doctor who violated the new Georgia law could be prosecuted and face up to a decade in prison.

Thurman waited in pain in a hospital bed, worried about what would happen to her 6-year-old son, as doctors monitored her infection spreading, her blood pressure sinking and her organs beginning to fail.

It took 20 hours for doctors to finally operate. By then, it was too late.

 

The otherwise healthy 28-year-old medical assistant, who had her sights set on nursing school, should not have died, an official state committee recently concluded.

Tasked with examining pregnancy-related deaths to improve maternal health, the experts, including 10 doctors, deemed hers “preventable” and said the hospital’s delay in performing the critical procedure had a “large” impact on her fatal outcome.

Their reviews of individual patient cases are not made public. But ProPublica obtained reports that confirm that at least two women have already died after they couldn’t access legal abortions and timely medical care in their state.

There are almost certainly others.

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17 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Something is not right w this story. If there is no fetal heartbeat detected on US why could they not proceed with D&C? 

Read the article.  Georgia only allows D & C's for spontaneous abortions or "medical emergency."  Because she admitted that it wasn't a spontaneous abortion, but that she had taken an abortion pill, Georgia law didn't allow the D & C.  Or at least that's how the physicians, who were risking jail time, interpreted Georgia's poorly written law on the subject.

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1 minute ago, lemonlime said:

Read the article.  Georgia only allows D & C's for spontaneous abortions or "medical emergency."  Because she admitted that it wasn't a spontaneous abortion, but that she had taken an abortion pill, Georgia law didn't allow the D & C.  Or at least that's how the physicians, who were risking jail time, interpreted Georgia's poorly written law on the subject.

Once there is no heartbeat the D&C is not for an abortion, spontaneous or otherwise. Are you trying to tell me women aren’t getting routine D&C for abnormal uterine bleeding, polyps, endometrial hyperplasia, endometriosis, etc? I do not believe that

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11 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

No.  But they can't get a D&C to remove embryonic or fetal material unless related to a spontaneous abortion or for a "medical emergency."

I read the article. If what is described happened there is absolutely no defense  for waiting 2 hours from when she hit the door in the ambulance to perform D&C, much less 20. She was objectively critically ill and in danger of dying. They fucked up and are blaming the abortion ban

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5 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I read the article. If what is described happened there is absolutely no defense  for waiting 2 hours from when she hit the door in the ambulance to perform D&C, much less 20. She was objectively critically ill and in danger of dying. They fucked up and are blaming the abortion ban

Why not both?  Yes, they clearly fucked up.  But you're okay with asking doctors to find the exact right time when something's a "medical emergency" as a patient becomes septic and then enters septic shock?  Just because the doctors also fucked up, doesn't mean the government should be legislating this crap.  Maybe the Georgia legislature could write a law that doesn't allow the doctors to use the law as an excuse for their malpractice.

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Just now, lemonlime said:

Why not both?  Yes, they clearly fucked up.  But you're okay with asking doctors to find the exact right time when something's a "medical emergency" as a patient becomes septic and then enters septic shock?  Just because the doctors also fucked up, doesn't mean the government should be legislating this crap.  Maybe the Georgia legislature could write a law that doesn't allow the doctors to use the law as an excuse for their malpractice.

Of course I’m not ok w it don’t be fatuous.

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12 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

I read the article. If what is described happened there is absolutely no defense  for waiting 2 hours from when she hit the door in the ambulance to perform D&C, much less 20. She was objectively critically ill and in danger of dying. They fucked up and are blaming the abortion ban

I think the abortion ban is to blame when doctors aren’t performing what used to be routine procedures for fear of being imprisoned over the GOP’s draconian new anti-abortion laws. I’ve heard countless stories from women saying doctors wouldn’t treat them because they weren’t sick enough yet so treatment was withheld because of legal concerns. Would you want to be the first doctor to test the legislation in court with your personal freedom and livelihood on the line?

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2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I think the abortion ban is to blame when doctors aren’t performing what used to be routine procedures for fear of being imprisoned over the GOP’s draconian new anti-abortion laws. I’ve heard countless stories from women saying doctors wouldn’t treat them because they weren’t sick enough yet so treatment was withheld because of legal concerns. Would you want to be the first doctor to test the legislation in court with your personal freedom and livelihood on the line?

Which is very obviously the entire point of writing the "exceptions" the way they have. There's what is in effect implied law in the gaps between what is written, how it is understood, and how it is enforced that results in the following implication being the actual law: "poor black and brown women have to die, but you better fucking save the white women." 

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2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Would you want to be the first doctor to test the legislation in court with your personal freedom and livelihood on the line?

 

11 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Which is very obviously the entire point of writing the "exceptions" the way they have. There's what is in effect implied law in the gaps between what is written, how it is understood, and how it is enforced that results in the following implication being the actual law: "poor black and brown women have to die, but you better fucking save the white women." 

Yep.  That's exactly it.  The calculus that the GQP has INTENTIONALLY FORCED UPON US is one that weighs the Dr's life against the patient.  Bottom line, it is this:

"IF YOU ADMINISTER ABORTION CARE TO A WOMAN, YOU BETTER GET IT EXACTLY RIGHT, 100%, BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, OR I WILL END YOUR LIFE."

We're not talking about a malpractice risk, or an upset patient risk.  We're saying "doc, if you perform this procedure, and a politically motivated prosecutor or AG (cough cough, Ken Paxton) decides that you chose incorrectly, they will end your fucking life.  You will rot in a prison for the rest of your days."

So, yeah, the law is 100% intended to intimidate doctors into not providing life-saving medical care.  Put another way, the GQP is perfectly happy to murder women to score political points.  They have already done so, they will continue to do so, and they will keep doing it as long as a single GQP fuckstick holds any position of power.  Killing women is the fucking GOAL, not just a side-effect.

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It is simply outrageous that it is mostly men writing these statutes that imperil the lives of women in ways that none of them will ever have to worry about experiencing.

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6 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Really shameless, even for Ted.
 

Good. Get these shit birds on record so their opponents can use it against them.  C'mon Allred, use this to make another milquetoast ad asking people to chip in $3 while you tell them about how you used to play football! 

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Republicans: We're weren't going to vote for this performative bill. The courts already protected IVF

Also Republicans: we're going to shut down the government unless you pass this bill that says illegals can't vote (even though illegals can't vote by the existing laws of the land). 

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On 9/20/2024 at 8:55 PM, tchookem said:

At this point, you can't call them pro-life. You can't even call them pro-birth. They're just straight up pro-death.. even for white women.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/texas-abortion-ban-deaths-pregnant-women-sb8-analysis-rcna171631Screenshot_20240920_205437_Chrome.jpg

Going out on a limb here I know, but fairly certain the linked article doesn't quote an epidemiologist.  And if it does, I feel deep sorrow for that individual. I mean it should be obvious what that graphical elements represent. 

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Unsure if this is related to the recent law changes or established hospital/religion practices. Story link

  • In CA, a pregnant woman, 15 weeks-carrying twins, goes to an ER with a Catholic affiliated hospital. Article isn't clear if she chose the ER location or not.
  • you can read the medical details yourself but the ER docs told her that the twins would not survive and she needed an emergency abortion for her own health. 
  • Hospital has 2 rules for an abortion: mother's life in danger AND the fetus cannot have a pulse. Sadly one of the twins looks to have had a pulse but not believes to be viable.
  • her husband had to drive her to another hospital, where the scene reads as horrible. She had a miscarriage and an abortion.

CA is suing the hospital for not providing adequate care based on CA laws. In unrelated news, the hospital which saved the woman is closing. Docs there say this wasn't the first situation like this.

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42 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

This is where they are trying to go next.  Believe these people when they tell you who they are.

Yep. Forced birth and banning any kind of contraception.

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