Desantis is a POS and needs his own thread

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

4 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Honestly dude, what do you get out of lying at every possible turn?

Who said it shouldn’t be discussed in 4th or 5th grade?

[Sawbonz 26735]

5 minutes ago, Cousin Strawberry said:

I don't think they are fake but I definitely think you have purchased a Baker Bucket.  How often do you and that schizo TTom trade texts?

TTom is dead in jail or homeless

[Cousin Strawberry 1258]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

TTom is dead in jail or homeless

You're right. I call him a schizo and its probably in poor taste.  He was more likely just abusing meth.  

[CowboyFred 1130]

9 hours ago, workswithseed said:

I wonder why the RGV is turning red. 

Because it’s a bunch of fucking “I got mine” Mexicans that kick down their own who are trying to get the same thing.

 

but bet you’re ass they’re hiring the illegal immigrant as a housekeeper/gardener

[pacman 7212]

It's funny the crowd, the Christian right, known for shoving gender stereotypes down a child's throat from birth are now sensitive to it.

Girls wears dresses, like pink, and play with dolls.

"You are either a boy or a girl".

Unless you don't fit into the norm mentioned above, then they called a child neither girl nor boy. They called her "tomboy".

They said worse when Hillary, and Kamala, wouldn't wear dresses, choosing pants instead.

They said women were incapable of choosing their own healthcare, needing their husbands to make decisions for them regarding their bodies. Males were the only ones capable of the thought required to make these decisions.

They said the only degrees for women were home economics because they belonged only in the home, waiting on everyone hand and foot.

They called black boys and girls, "animals".

The list goes on, so much that it's all preposterous.

People are rejecting labels. Labels they have had pushed on them their whole lives. Labels contrived by strict stereotypes, that have no basis in factual reality, and used to control and manipulate.

Despite my conservative, Southern Baptist background, I am happy for all of America's citizens and want them to be happy in whatever fashion. I don't feel threatened by these discussions and do not feel any of the examples crossed the line of what I would allow for my kids.

The only thing clear to date is it's time for others to lead, as the religious right's horrific track record of hate and intolerance speaks for itself.

They can sit down and shut the fuck up.

Edited April 23, 2022 by pacman

[HornOnTheBayou 8816]

29 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:

For three, even if a kid doesn’t know they are gay by 3rd grade, when they do know, the environment will be much healthier for them if “gay people exist” is as normal as “redheads exist”, “black people exist”, “vegetarians exist” instead of something so apparently shameful that laws must be passed to avoid discussing it.
 

I'm gonna have to push back a little bit. Maybe we should pass a "Don't say vegetarian" law. Look, what those people do in the privacy of their own kitchen is their business, but I don't need them flaunting it at dinner when I order a steak.

[TXSooner518 2419]

I'm gonna have to push back a little bit. Maybe we should pass a "Don't say vegetarian" law. Look, what those people do in the privacy of their own kitchen is their business, but I don't need them flaunting it at dinner when I order a steak.

Yeah if someone said I had to live the rest of my life gay or vegetarian, I would have to go into the tank for quite a while.

[Serak The Preparer 3408]

14 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:

Yeah if someone said I had to live the rest of my life gay or vegetarian, I would have to go into the tank for quite a while.

Choosing between taking human meat vs every other kind of meat isn't as difficult for me, even if the method of entry is different. My biggest quandary in this regard has been if I had to forsake beer or coffee. That brings the cold sweats to my body.

 

[Bozo_Casanova 25499]

8 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Nope. I’d be fine with just firing them. But I don’t think it’s a big ask for teachers to place those talks back on the parents for 4-7 yos. 

When was this imaginary time when teachers weren’t doing this?

8 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

L

For example, if a 4-7yo child asks a question about their sex. In lieu of the teacher trying to explain this all, it should be sufficient for the teacher to send home a note with the child, letting the parents know they need to breach the subject, such as difference between natal sex and gender, with their child.   
 

So you understand?  Nothing to do about checking a child’s parts.  Suggestion for education of sexual matters from the parents, at their discretion  

 

 

So you are suggesting that for the first time ever teachers not talk to kids about sexuality and gender. Do I have that right?

[ChiTownDoc 20839]

6 hours ago, UrbanAchiever said:

I have a 5 year-old daughter. She refers to people as he/she/they if she doesn't know their preferred pronoun. She knows what it means to be trans. She understands that boys can marry boys, and girls can marry girls. We talk about these topics as well as race and privilege because I want her to be a good, caring and decent human later in life. I would want her teachers to be able to discuss these topics as well in a respectful manner, because I want her to have confidence that her teachers are a trusted source and are free to explain concepts she inquires about.

There's zero discussion of sexuality ever, because when we talk about her friend's parents that are gay, we talk about the content of their character and not their lifestyle. For the life of me, I can't understand how the right is hell bent on sexualizing this topic. It's a perverse fascination that occupies an unhealthy amount of their headspace. 

You lost me until your last sentence.  Did you ever grow up around people on the religious right?  They are the biggest fucking hypocrites ever.  But I really don't blame them - it's like when a pederast begets another pederast.  It's a difficult cycle to break.  And save the rage - they're not pederasts themselves but when they're brought up a certain way that cycle is very difficult to break.  But in this case I think these discussions may help fattyflattie.  These need to be reasoned with - many will never get it, but it's still worth putting in the effort. 

 

[Sawbonz 26735]

Texas trying to out-Florida Florida 

 

 

[NameAlreadyInUse 5092]

3 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

I guess, although that's not the context I meant.  I just meant "openly gay", or out of the closet, or some other term I may not be familiar with that will hurt @scottsins pussy some more.   I appreciate that, don't need any gotcha, nothing was meant in malice. 

So do you consider you are “advertising it” when you talk about your wife at work?  
 

Put another way, would you be concerned if your youngest kid’s teacher was getting married and told her class she was changing her name to match her husband’s midway through the year?  
 

What about if that same teacher instead said she’s getting married and is changing her name to match her wife’s?  
 

if you think there is a material difference between those scenarios, why?

[ChuckNorrisActionJeans 2648]

Fucking over good teachers is more than a happy byproduct of the Republican anti-gay agenda. Their ultimate goal of course, as stated by the Texas Public Policy Foundation, is to defund/deligitimize public schools. There are still quite a lot of conservatives who don't directly agree because they have no recourse to educating their young'uns apart from public schools, but they are happily being used as pawns toward this end in the whole "parental rights" movement.

[fattyflattie 4631]

54 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

When was this imaginary time when teachers weren’t doing this?

So you are suggesting that for the first time ever teachers not talk to kids about sexuality and gender. Do I have that right?

Sexuality from 4-7 yo?  I would think that is uncommon. 

 

18 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

So do you consider you are “advertising it” when you talk about your wife at work?  
 

Put another way, would you be concerned if your youngest kid’s teacher was getting married and told her class she was changing her name to match her husband’s midway through the year?  
 

What about if that same teacher instead said she’s getting married and is changing her name to match her wife’s?  
 

if you think there is a material difference between those scenarios, why?

I think you are completely hanging up on a single word, from an anecdotal story of the 1 gay kid who wasn't "out" when I knew him, but learned later he had "come out".  I don't know what's right or wrong verb to use, but apparently announced is not it.  

My youngest kid, probably.  I think it would cause her some confusion, and her current teacher is barely able to handle simple shit like sight words.  For something this nuanced, I wouldn't have any issue with a counselor or someone that knew specifically how to approach young kids about sex/gender/etc.  I'd much rather they mention it to my wife and I, and let us broach it with them.  If we had some same sex friends or couples we regularly had them introduced to, I would think they would have already noticed and it would be normal. I think the difference in scenarios only stems from the fact that it would literally be the first time for them to comprehend that scenario (same sex relationship). It wasn't that long ago they even learned about divorce, or single parents, and there were all kinds of questions about that.  It's just not common in our circle. 

[NWBuck 8511]

On 4/16/2022 at 9:23 AM, NWBuck said:

"Johnny has ten apples, but realizes that his apple farm was on land taking from indigenous people, was planted by slaves, and is harvested by undocumented migrant workers. If he wants to do the right thing and pay Voluntary Land Taxes, Reparations, and a Living Wage, how many apples will he have left?"
 

OK... this is MUCH better:

 

[WhatTheBuck 28574]

4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Because it's forbidden and naughty for them to think about such things, and just like a child that's been denied a toy or a treat or whatever, they will obsess over it.

It's unhealthy as hell the way many on the right fixate on peoples' sex lives.

It's not even close to being a reason why I bailed on the GOP in the early/mid-2000s, but if the fixation the GOP has on peoples' sex lives these days was on the same level back then that it is now, it could have easily been a top three.  I know the party hated the gays/etc. back then (boy did I know), but from my perspective, there were a lot of other things that were taking up a lot of the air in the room back then.

It’s the same reason porn sales are highest in the Bible Belt. Sexual repression drives interest. When I was in school I worked in telemarketing for the local cable company and we had a rep from HBO/Cinemax who told us that viewership of the late night skin flicks on Cinemax (aka “Skinemax”) was highest in the Bible Belt. I’ve heard numerous soldiers who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan report that the first thing their local fixers and interpreters asked them when they saw their laptops was if they could show them porn. 

[WhatTheBuck 28574]

4 hours ago, scottsins said:

And you can go fuck your self with your ignorant “decide to be lesbians” ignorant bullshit.

If he thinks he chose to be straight, he’s actually gay and living in denial. That would explain the cognitive dissonance. 

Edited April 23, 2022 by WhatTheBuck

[NameAlreadyInUse 5092]

34 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Sexuality from 4-7 yo?  I would think that is uncommon. 

 

I think you are completely hanging up on a single word, from an anecdotal story of the 1 gay kid who wasn't "out" when I knew him, but learned later he had "come out".  I don't know what's right or wrong verb to use, but apparently announced is not it.  

My youngest kid, probably.  I think it would cause her some confusion, and her current teacher is barely able to handle simple shit like sight words.  For something this nuanced, I wouldn't have any issue with a counselor or someone that knew specifically how to approach young kids about sex/gender/etc.  I'd much rather they mention it to my wife and I, and let us broach it with them.  If we had some same sex friends or couples we regularly had them introduced to, I would think they would have already noticed and it would be normal. I think the difference in scenarios only stems from the fact that it would literally be the first time for them to comprehend that scenario (same sex relationship). It wasn't that long ago they even learned about divorce, or single parents, and there were all kinds of questions about that.  It's just not common in our circle. 

What’s nuanced about a female teacher getting married and changing her last name?

[WhatTheBuck 28574]

1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

Sexuality from 4-7 yo?  I would think that is uncommon. 

In what fantasy world are you living? When I was 5 years old and in kindergarten I used to play doctor with one of my classmates and her little sister who was 4 years old. We’d go up to their bedroom, get under the covers, take off our clothes and explore. That’s totally healthy and normal.

[Burt 4040]

4 hours ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

I'm gonna have to push back a little bit. Maybe we should pass a "Don't say vegetarian" law. Look, what those people do in the privacy of their own kitchen is their business, but I don't need them flaunting it at dinner when I order a steak.

Vegetarians are as bad as Mormons - always wanting you to know the choice they made and trying to convert you.

[Bozo_Casanova 25499]

6 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Sexuality from 4-7 yo?  I would think that is uncommon. 

 

That would be extremely naive. Kids that age have no filter and talk about whatever pops into their heads, including each other’s bodies and behaviors, and they bring it up with their teachers, so from time immemorial teachers have been pulled into these discussions as they begin to get a picture of the world. 
 

This doesn’t return power to parents. It’s a non-solution in response to an imaginary problem for the benefit of political grifters. The only impact will be to erode the quality of public education, drive teachers out of the field, and make a small minority of kids and parents feel bad about themselves again. 

 

[Sawbonz 26735]

7 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Sexuality from 4-7 yo?  I would think that is uncommon. 

[UDontKnow 10439]

4 hours ago, Burt said:

Vegetarians are as bad as Mormons - always wanting you to know the choice they made and trying to convert you.

You're mixing up vegetarians with vegans. 

[Sawbonz 26735]

These are the people you empower when you vote Republican 

[Pato del Muerto 51914]

https://texashillcountry.com/freethinkers-in-the-heart-of-the-texas-hill-country/amp/
 

 

 

[HenryJames 64901]

[Pato del Muerto 51914]

The next logical step. Kill the libs. 

[YChang 3365]

The libs invented time travel! No way these plaques are accurate . More reason to stop their nefarious ways.

[fattyflattie 4631]

Lol @DigglerontheHoof literally 30 negs on a Saturday morning?   You seem like you’re living your best life. 

[Burt 4040]

2 hours ago, UDontKnow said:

You're mixing up vegetarians with vegans. 

Vegetarians, vegans...Mormons, Scientologists.  They're all fucked up.

[HenryJames 64901]

6 minutes ago, Burt said:

Vegetarians, vegans...Mormons, Scientologists.  They're all fucked up.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

One of the “math” books Florida rejected

[Johnny Sack 8397]

1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

These are the people you empower when you vote Republican 

How did they “ban” it?

[Pato del Muerto 51914]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

How did they “ban” it?

The article didn’t say or I missed it but it read like they removed it from school libraries. 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The article didn’t say or I missed it but it read like they removed it from school libraries. 

So the book isn’t banned. One can get it. But the community through its leaders decided to remove it from school libraries.  Other communities probably have zero issue with the book.  

[Pato del Muerto 51914]

1 minute ago, Johnny Sack said:

So the book isn’t banned. One can get it. But the community through its leaders decided to remove it from school libraries.  Other communities probably have zero issue with the book.  

It is banned in that school district. At least on the campuses most likely to house it.  It’s not like the high school library needs it. 

[Sawbonz 26735]

Just now, Johnny Sack said:

So the book isn’t banned. One can get it. But the community through its leaders decided to remove it from school libraries.  Other communities probably have zero issue with the book.  

The school district banned the book. Some children don’t have access to books outside of their school libraries. So there really should be significant reason for removing a book from them. Apparently, this picture book has one picture of a male couple with a child which is the reason it was removed. 

[Captainant 26861]

11 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

One of the “math” books Florida rejected

Well aside from this zoomed in and grainy screenshot of a screenshot, if looks like they're talking about the statistical modeling of the data, not doing any analysis of it or commentary.

Did your chainmailer happen to have any more context or do y'all just stop once you get the talking point?

And to the point of banning and availability, it sets what's known as a "chilling effect", which is recognized by the supreme court as an attack on free speech and expression, and likely 1A violation.

[TexPx 2270]

Fucking over good teachers is more than a happy byproduct of the Republican anti-gay agenda. Their ultimate goal of course, as stated by the Texas Public Policy Foundation, is to defund/deligitimize public schools. There are still quite a lot of conservatives who don't directly agree because they have no recourse to educating their young'uns apart from public schools, but they are happily being used as pawns toward this end in the whole "parental rights" movement.

After seeing all the crap going on in School Board meetings I’m thinking maybe parenting is too important to be left to parents.

[aggie08 20211]

Come on guys, this bill clearly only keeps evil, sick, twisted libs from teaching K-3 about gender neutrality! It won't have "unexpected" broader effects!

[Johnny Sack 8397]

3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Well aside from this zoomed in and grainy screenshot of a screenshot, if looks like they're talking about the statistical modeling of the data, not doing any analysis of it or commentary.

Did your chainmailer happen to have any more context or do y'all just stop once you get the talking point?

And to the point of banning and availability, it sets what's known as a "chilling effect", which is recognized by the supreme court as an attack on free speech and expression, and likely 1A violation.

It’s from CNN you dipshit

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/04/22/us/florida-math-textbooks-critical-race-theory-examples/index.html

 

And chilling effect?  School employees have no first amendment protections in the schoolhouse.  

[Sawbonz 26735]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

It’s from CNN you dipshit

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/04/22/us/florida-math-textbooks-critical-race-theory-examples/index.html

 

And chilling effect?  School employees have no first amendment protections in the schoolhouse.  

What does this have to do with a school district banning a picture book?

[Johnny Sack 8397]

2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

What does this have to do with a school district banning a picture book?

It has to do with another issue being discussed on the thread.  I can’t understand it for you.  

[Sawbonz 26735]

1 minute ago, Johnny Sack said:

It has to do with another issue being discussed on the thread.  I can’t understand it for you.  

Oh so your deflection of the topic of book banning by a school district by bringing up a textbook. Got it

[Johnny Sack 8397]

1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

Oh so your deflection of the topic of book banning by a school district by bringing up a textbook. Got it

We are talking about the Florida laws Desantis has signed.  This thread is about Desantis and Florida.  It’s 1250 plus posts.  6 or so concern the picture book one ISD removed from its libraries.   The rest don’t.  Mine is one of the rest.  

[Sawbonz 26735]

Just now, Johnny Sack said:

We are talking about the Florida laws Desantis has signed.  This thread is about Desantis and Florida.  It’s 1250 plus posts.  6 or so concern the picture book one ISD removed from its libraries.   The rest don’t.  Mine is one of the rest.  

And you happen to post about the rejected textbook right after a discussion about banning a book from school libraries. An amazing coincidence 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

And I posted it because one of my friends and am hunting with sent it to me several hours ago.  

[Sawbonz 26735]

1 minute ago, Johnny Sack said:

And I posted it because one of my friends and am hunting with sent it to me several hours ago.  

But not before you try to make an argument the picture book wasn’t banned. Which is clearly a lie

[Johnny Sack 8397]

4 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

But not before you try to make an argument the picture book wasn’t banned. Which is clearly a lie

Removed is an accurate term. Banned isn’t.  The book isn’t prohibited.  

[Slacks 6666]

48 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

One of the “math” books Florida rejected

Yeah... throw that shit out...  but that is one page out of loud of books.