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5 hours ago, BevoAbyss said:

As for all the other corporations not affected, they won’t give a shit … as long as they get the 10% tax breaks, increased profits, corporate bonuses, etc. 

3 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Businesses ain't going no where as long as the citizenry keeps subsidizing their tax breaks.

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

Businesses will absolutely go along with violent and disruptive reactionary political changes, even changes that hurt their bottom line. That's because they tend to be run by people who are ideologically aligned with the reactionary politicians pushing those changes, and those few that aren't are scared of publicly opposing the fascist tide. 

If you cripple the construction, agricultural, and service industries in Texas, and oil and gas to a lesser extent, other businesses will absolutely give a shit, because their costs will go through the roof, and with the economy wrecked a whole shitload of people and companies will have to move out of Texas, not to mention that Texas will be undesirable even for those who might have weathered such an economic shitstorm.

But hey, real estate prices will probably drop drastically so you can buy cheap land and houses/building, and ERCOT will have fewer customers putting a strain on the grid.  Of course that also means a lot of people and companies will have lost a lot of wealth.

Texas relies and thrives on cheap labor.  I don’t care where you live or what industry you are in, at some point you rely on cheap labor, even if you don’t see it or think about it.

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4 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

If their costs go through the roof, those cost increases will be subsidized. Guess who will be doing the subsidizing?

It won’t be all of the people who have to leave Texas or companies that go under.

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3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

It won’t be all of the people who have to leave Texas or companies that go under.

That's the thing, companies won't be going under.  People won't have to leave.  That's the whole point of the common peasants subsidizing the losses.

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23 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

That's the thing, companies won't be going under.  People won't have to leave.  That's the whole point of the common peasants subsidizing the losses.

You really think that companies won’t go under if some of the largest industries and employers in Texas lose a massive (and the cheapest) chunk of their workforce?  You think a lot of people will go out to eat when the costs double or triple?  Or will buy new houses when the costs ramp way up?  Or that companies will build a new office or facility when the costs start rising rapidly, whether it’s the guys pouring the cement or framing the thing or hauling the materials?

People already bitch when their grocery bill or the gas bill  goes up 10%.  You kill off that cheap labor and the poor and middle class will find themselves priced out of a lot of things.  And there are a helluva lot of small businesses in Texas that for whom a double digit rise in costs maybe the difference between profitability and going under.

Like I said, Abbott will play games with the MAGA morons and convince them that he’s doing something with the wall, but he’s not going to round up the nearly 2 million illegal immigrants in Texas, nor will he push anything that could identify them and the companies and people that employ them.  He can pander with the best of them, but he knows Texas lives and dies by its cheap labor and resources.  And he knows that those affected companies will dump money into whoever gets their cheap labor back if he fucks around and goes after illegals.

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You really think that companies won’t go under if some of the largest industries and employers in Texas lose a massive (and the cheapest) chunk of their workforce?  You think a lot of people will go out to eat when the costs double or triple?  Or will buy new houses when the costs ramp way up?  Or that companies will build a new office or facility when the costs start rising rapidly, whether it’s the guys pouring the cement or framing the thing or hauling the materials?

People already bitch when their grocery bill or the gas bill  goes up 10%.  You kill off that cheap labor and the poor and middle class will find themselves priced out of a lot of things.  And there are a helluva lot of small businesses in Texas that for whom a double digit rise in costs maybe the difference between profitability and going under.

Like I said, Abbott will play games with the MAGA morons and convince them that he’s doing something with the wall, but he’s not going to round up the nearly 2 million illegal immigrants in Texas, nor will he push anything that could identify them and the companies and people that employ them.  He can pander with the best of them, but he knows Texas lives and dies by its cheap labor and resources.  And he knows that those affected companies will dump money into whoever gets their cheap labor back if he fucks around and goes after illegals.


Counter: the cynical manipulators have lost control of the monster they created.
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34 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

You really think that companies won’t go under if some of the largest industries and employers in Texas lose a massive (and the cheapest) chunk of their workforce?  You think a lot of people will go out to eat when the costs double or triple?  Or will buy new houses when the costs ramp way up?  Or that companies will build a new office or facility when the costs start rising rapidly, whether it’s the guys pouring the cement or framing the thing or hauling the materials?

People already bitch when their grocery bill or the gas bill  goes up 10%.  You kill off that cheap labor and the poor and middle class will find themselves priced out of a lot of things.  And there are a helluva lot of small businesses in Texas that for whom a double digit rise in costs maybe the difference between profitability and going under.

Like I said, Abbott will play games with the MAGA morons and convince them that he’s doing something with the wall, but he’s not going to round up the nearly 2 million illegal immigrants in Texas, nor will he push anything that could identify them and the companies and people that employ them.  He can pander with the best of them, but he knows Texas lives and dies by its cheap labor and resources.  And he knows that those affected companies will dump money into whoever gets their cheap labor back if he fucks around and goes after illegals.

One more time for the peanut gallery…

THEIR FUCKING (net)COSTS WON’T GO UP

Labor costs go up from $8/hr to $12/hr. Lo and behold the state lege passes a Save Patriotic Texas Businesses for God kickback errr subsidy to make up the difference. You and I get to pay for it with another property tax increase. 

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On 6/19/2024 at 5:34 PM, atomheartbevo said:

People already bitch when their grocery bill or the gas bill  goes up 10%.  

They will blame the libs when a head of iceberg lettuce is $9.

/I'm just joking. MAGA don't eat liberal foods like vegetables.

 

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25 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

They will blame the libs when a head of iceberg lettuce is $9.

/I'm just joking. MAGA don't eat liberal foods like vegetables.

 

"The economy" is one of the biggest pieces of successful propaganda we've seen the Right pull on people in the past 50 years.  I was reading an article today saying that 60+% of R voters think the economy is "bad" or "terrible", yet if we switched to an R president tomorrow, their sentiment would immediately flip.  None of it is based on reality.  Just "feelings" that they've been taught to feel their entire lives by an entrenched media propaganda apparatus.

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Clinton was president when I graduated so I've been in the "real world" during the Clinton, GWB, Obama, Dotard, and Biden administrations.  There is absolutely no comparison to which times were better for me economically.  Granted, the economy under Obama wasn't exactly gangbusters but it didn't suck dick like the GFC under dubya or the bullshit under dotard.

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10 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Granted, the economy under Obama wasn't exactly gangbusters but it didn't suck dick like the GFC under dubya or the bullshit under dotard.

Well, yeah.  He inherited a huge fucking mess from GWB.  Similar to Biden.  Remember, Trump wanted interest rates to go negative for a while.  I think you can debate whether Trump is responsible for COVID's impact on the economy, but he is absolutely responsible for not raising interest rates late in his presidency.

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27 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

"The economy" is one of the biggest pieces of successful propaganda we've seen the Right pull on people in the past 50 years.  I was reading an article today saying that 60+% of R voters think the economy is "bad" or "terrible", yet if we switched to an R president tomorrow, their sentiment would immediately flip.  None of it is based on reality.  Just "feelings" that they've been taught to feel their entire lives by an entrenched media propaganda apparatus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party

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On 6/19/2024 at 5:05 PM, David Dennison said:

The rich are rich because they know how to exploit the poors.


By exploiting the workers. By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society. If there’s ever gonna be any progress…

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On 6/19/2024 at 6:12 PM, Fudge Nuggets said:

One more time for the peanut gallery…

THEIR FUCKING (net)COSTS WON’T GO UP

Labor costs go up from $8/hr to $12/hr. Lo and behold the state lege passes a Save Patriotic Texas Businesses for God kickback errr subsidy to make up the difference. You and I get to pay for it with another property tax increase. 

You do realize the only property tax that goes into state coffers is some school taxes via Robin Hood right? 

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5 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

You do realize things are subject to change, right?

Even if they rewrite the tax code, if Abbott booted out a million or more illegal immigrants, there will also be a shitload more legal residents who have to leave as businesses fail, etc.  which means that the housing markets drop as there is a glut of housing, property tax revenue drops, sales tax revenue drops, etc.

So who pays that Super Duper Patriot Tax to subsidize everything when we lose our cheap labor?  You think MAGA  will be happy when Abbott tells them to shut the fuck up and pay a new tax to cover the industries that get wrecked because he is reshaping Texas?

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

You think MAGA  will be happy when Abbott tells them to shut the fuck up and pay a new tax to cover the industries that get wrecked because he is reshaping Texas?

They have repeatedly voted for and cheered for shit that buttfucks themselves.

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So, yeah, they'll pay a tax, ram a dildo up their own ass, whatever, gleefully...because the cult leaders say it is a sacrament, and cultists will perform ALL the sacraments with a smile.

Stop treating these people like rational actors.  They are not.  They have demonstrated repeatedly, without exception, that they are cultists, and that controls their every action.

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15 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

You think MAGA  will be happy when Abbott tells them to shut the fuck up and pay a new tax to cover the industries that get wrecked because he is reshaping Texas?

jim-carey-uhh-yeah.jpg 

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On 6/18/2024 at 9:17 PM, atomheartbevo said:

Maybe the artist was wrong and this was her sidearm, in which case a clip makes sense.

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I have one of those!  but in 7.63mm and with the wooden stock (which doubles as a case)

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Who do we need vote into Austin that will actually commit to fixing the power grid ?? 

The current batch of do nothings are career politicians and this grid has broken every time for me since the hard freeze. I’ll guess the two billionaires that run the state don’t lose power for days.
 

let Houston tie into the national grid 

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/14-reasons-people-are-leaving-texas/ss-BB1oJcRj?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=211bec2ba61a434cb9beea70330045e9&ei=53#image=1

 

Texans are leaving the state due to:

1. Scorching Summers and Extreme Heat

2. Property Taxes

3. Political Climate

4. Lack of Gun Control

5. Abortion Restrictions

6. Lack of Diversity

7. Education System

8. Natural Disasters

9. Property Insurance Woes

10. Traffic Congestion

11. Job Market Saturation

12. Water Scarcity and Drought Concerns

13. Environmental Concerns and Pollution

14. Social Issues and Inequality

(I'd probably shoe in Healthcare somewhere too)

Race to be a third world country is in full gallop now.

Boomers are leaving America to retire abroad in droves because the U.S. is just too expensive

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/retirement/boomers-are-leaving-america-to-retire-abroad-in-droves-because-the-u-s-is-just-too-expensive/ar-BB1py92d?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=27f387a2d670442f806721884474856b&ei=27

My son said that sounded right.  Boomers kept voting for the assholes who fucked up this country, then just leave it because it's too fucked up.  Fortunately for them they have enough wealth to make such a move.  

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/14-reasons-people-are-leaving-texas/ss-BB1oJcRj?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=211bec2ba61a434cb9beea70330045e9&ei=53#image=1
 
Texans are leaving the state due to:
1. Scorching Summers and Extreme Heat
2. Property Taxes
3. Political Climate
4. Lack of Gun Control
5. Abortion Restrictions
6. Lack of Diversity
7. Education System
8. Natural Disasters
9. Property Insurance Woes
10. Traffic Congestion
11. Job Market Saturation
12. Water Scarcity and Drought Concerns
13. Environmental Concerns and Pollution
14. Social Issues and Inequality
(I'd probably shoe in Healthcare somewhere too)
Race to be a third world country is in full gallop now.

Boomers are leaving America to retire abroad in droves because the U.S. is just too expensive

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/retirement/boomers-are-leaving-america-to-retire-abroad-in-droves-because-the-u-s-is-just-too-expensive/ar-BB1py92d?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=27f387a2d670442f806721884474856b&ei=27
My son said that sounded right.  Boomers kept voting for the assholes who fucked up this country, then just leave it because it's too fucked up.  Fortunately for them they have enough wealth to make such a move.  
And they're probably still making in their votes.
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my top three reasons were 1, 3 (which i think encompasses most of the others on that list,  really) and these...

 

 

 

 

 

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in no particular order 😡

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13 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/14-reasons-people-are-leaving-texas/ss-BB1oJcRj?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=211bec2ba61a434cb9beea70330045e9&ei=53#image=1

 

Texans are leaving the state due to:

1. Scorching Summers and Extreme Heat

2. Property Taxes

3. Political Climate

4. Lack of Gun Control

5. Abortion Restrictions

6. Lack of Diversity

7. Education System

8. Natural Disasters

9. Property Insurance Woes

10. Traffic Congestion

11. Job Market Saturation

12. Water Scarcity and Drought Concerns

13. Environmental Concerns and Pollution

14. Social Issues and Inequality

(I'd probably shoe in Healthcare somewhere too)

Race to be a third world country is in full gallop now.

Boomers are leaving America to retire abroad in droves because the U.S. is just too expensive

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/retirement/boomers-are-leaving-america-to-retire-abroad-in-droves-because-the-u-s-is-just-too-expensive/ar-BB1py92d?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=27f387a2d670442f806721884474856b&ei=27

My son said that sounded right.  Boomers kept voting for the assholes who fucked up this country, then just leave it because it's too fucked up.  Fortunately for them they have enough wealth to make such a move.  

Hey

Leave one of Austin’s legendary funk bands out of it.

 

 

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14 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/14-reasons-people-are-leaving-texas/ss-BB1oJcRj?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=211bec2ba61a434cb9beea70330045e9&ei=53#image=1

 

Texans are leaving the state due to:

1. Scorching Summers and Extreme Heat

2. Property Taxes

3. Political Climate

4. Lack of Gun Control

5. Abortion Restrictions

6. Lack of Diversity

7. Education System

8. Natural Disasters

9. Property Insurance Woes

10. Traffic Congestion

11. Job Market Saturation

12. Water Scarcity and Drought Concerns

13. Environmental Concerns and Pollution

14. Social Issues and Inequality

(I'd probably shoe in Healthcare somewhere too)

Race to be a third world country is in full gallop now.

Boomers are leaving America to retire abroad in droves because the U.S. is just too expensive

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/retirement/boomers-are-leaving-america-to-retire-abroad-in-droves-because-the-u-s-is-just-too-expensive/ar-BB1py92d?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=27f387a2d670442f806721884474856b&ei=27

My son said that sounded right.  Boomers kept voting for the assholes who fucked up this country, then just leave it because it's too fucked up.  Fortunately for them they have enough wealth to make such a move.  

Two people come for every one that leaves 

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On 6/25/2024 at 7:34 PM, TheStoicPaisano said:

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I realize that GOP politicians have to suck up to Trump to receive any power, but how pathetic is it that our "leaders" can only look to one person to do something. A congressman should feel they can improve the lives of their constituents and all Americans regardless of who is in the WH.

Posted
This guy banged his assistant coaches wives
Imagine looking at that dude and thinking, "Yeah, I'll cheat on my husband with him."

That is unless there was some sort of coercion involved... completely possible.
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18 hours ago, tchookem said:
18 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/14-reasons-people-are-leaving-texas/ss-BB1oJcRj?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=211bec2ba61a434cb9beea70330045e9&ei=53#image=1
 
Texans are leaving the state due to:
1. Scorching Summers and Extreme Heat
2. Property Taxes
3. Political Climate
4. Lack of Gun Control
5. Abortion Restrictions
6. Lack of Diversity
7. Education System
8. Natural Disasters
9. Property Insurance Woes
10. Traffic Congestion
11. Job Market Saturation
12. Water Scarcity and Drought Concerns
13. Environmental Concerns and Pollution
14. Social Issues and Inequality
(I'd probably shoe in Healthcare somewhere too)
Race to be a third world country is in full gallop now.

Boomers are leaving America to retire abroad in droves because the U.S. is just too expensive

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/retirement/boomers-are-leaving-america-to-retire-abroad-in-droves-because-the-u-s-is-just-too-expensive/ar-BB1py92d?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=27f387a2d670442f806721884474856b&ei=27
My son said that sounded right.  Boomers kept voting for the assholes who fucked up this country, then just leave it because it's too fucked up.  Fortunately for them they have enough wealth to make such a move.  

And they're probably still making in their votes.

As a recent Texpat I'd say the top 10, more or less, were factors for us; though some overlap and 6 is alarmingly stupid, just flat out wrong. 1 and 3 were the main drivers - 1 is guaranteed to get worse and I've lost faith in 3 doing anything but continuing to deteriorate.

Texas is still a half decent value prop if you want to work a corporate job, buy that huge house in the burbs, crank out a few kids, are truly apathetic toward politics, and the climate and sprawl don't wear you out. It wasn't always like this - between SCOTUS keeping the worst of the religious right in check and less general insanity in the GOP platform the politics could be stomached for a while. The state has just descended further and further into madness over the past 15 years(hmm, what triggered that?). It breaks my heart as someone who lived all of my 32 years there but we just could no longer convince ourselves that the future could be anything better than a mostly tolerable grind, with much worse on the table. Maybe that's the case anywhere but it was time to find out.

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Somehow it was all the taxpayers' fault.  They'll pay for this!

I mean…there’s a 100% chance that any “solution” imposed will hurt the taxpayers, and leave the executive contributors to his campaign better than before.
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20 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


I mean…there’s a 100% chance that any “solution” imposed will hurt the taxpayers, and leave the executive contributors to his campaign better than before.


Abbott’s will decide they centerpoint exe$ need a raise 

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