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6 minutes ago, shakahorn said:

Got dealt a 20, and split the 10's.

Against the dealer's 2.

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27 minutes ago, Scholz said:

Their single (disputed) title is closer to pre-Civil War than it is to today.

Their 1939 MNC is not really disputed. Of the 16 polling/formula/computer rankings, they won 13 of the 16 including AP and what would have been the coaches poll back then.

There are recent examples of computer/formula rankings that not to be taken seriously as well.

2006 Ohio State won a couple of those over Florida, a team it lost to in the championship game.

2011 OK. ST. also won one.

In similar circumstances I would have no problem claiming that. In a way, it is probably more legit than our 1970 mnc.

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4 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

In similar circumstances I would have no problem claiming that. In a way, it is probably more legit than our 1970 mnc.

It is no such thing.

We were awarded our 1970 championship in exactly the manner championships were awarded at the time. The UPI always crowned champions before the bowls because bowls were only exhibition games at the time. The AP chose to award them after the bowl. Everyone played under the exact same system.

5 hours ago, Auto Driller said:

Right now they have no one to blame but themselves, which is perfect.

You know aggy? They are incapable of blaming themselves. It will always be the fault of someone else. It's why they will never be able to take that next step forward. 

11 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

Color TV was invented in 1950, 11 years after that, but weren't readily available to buy until 1965, 16 years later.

black & white, mechanical: 26 Jan 26, Baird, Soho Square; notice how the Nipkow disk scan lines are so prevalent

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black & white, electronic: 7 Sep 27, Farnsworth, 202 Greene Street

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image drawn by Farnsworth in 1915 dramatically produced by Farnsworth's high school teacher in the 1934 patent trial victory over zworykin, sarnoff and rca showing the image dissector electronic decomposition scanning device:

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colour, mechanical: 3 Jul 28, Baird, Long Acre

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colour, electronic: 16 Aug 44, Baird, Sydenham; no photograph of the image on the intertrons; i've seen it in an exhibit in edinburgh in '88; the ultimate breakthrough was a 3-colour single-tube all-electronic decomposition and recomposition mirroring Farnsworth's black and white achievement from 17 years prior; may i add that Zworykin didn't invent anything; his patents from '23 and '25 were for the television equivalent of rube goldberg devices; the Berlin '36 system was based on Farnsworth technology copied (stolen) by Zworykin, and Sarnoff (Zworykin's enabler) conspired with EMI/Marconi to shut down both Farnsworth and Baird so the technology (PATENTS) would be in the RIGHT HANDS.  here is Baird's 3-colour Telechrome single-tube achievement upon which all tube-projection colour television, and hence all analog television broadcasts, were based until the advent of HD transmission killed The Tube once and for all in 2009 with the conversion from analog to digital OTA broadcasts in the USA.   the technology lifespan of Farnsworth's original vision lasted from 7 Sep 27 until 13 June 2009, 81 years, 9 months, and 6 days.

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4 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Billy's latest analysis. His prose is such a beating. 

 

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Cover Story: Crucial decisions on horizon for Fisher & Co.

By Billy Liucci
November 7, 2022

 

 


Stood toe to toe with then No. 1 Alabama until the final snap in Tuscaloosa. Showed real fight in battling back from down 17-0 on the road against South Carolina. Had the ball with a chance to beat an Ole Miss team currently residing in the top ten a week ago in a game during which the future of the offense was on display. Then, Saturday, the offense puts together by far its best half of football of the season, and a flu/injury-ravaged team shows plenty of resolve in front of the home fans.

Unfortunately, what I just described are four conference losses (and five in a row, overall).

For the first time since 1980, the Ags have dropped five straight games. They're sitting at 3-6 overall and are in danger of not qualifying for a bowl for the first time since year one under Mike Sherman back in 2008, and a 1-7 SEC record is very much on the table.
This wasn't supposed to be the season in which we would spend each week clinging to silver linings. Yet here were are, and this week might be the most disheartening of a season that long ago fell off the rails.

Look, what we saw Jimbo Fisher and the Aggies put on the field against Florida was essentially a M.A.S.H. unit and quite possibly as young a college football team as you're ever going to see. I'm pretty sure that A&M was without more than half of what the expected two-deep looked like entering the season or even as recently as four games ago. The battle of attrition this year has been unprecedented and reached epidemic (pun intended) proportions this week after the Aggie locker room was hit by a nasty flu outbreak. When it rains, it really does pour, and a perfect example of how tough the 2022 season has been for Fisher and the Ags is true freshman Conner Weigman looking absolutely brilliant in his first career start only to fall ill, miss the entire week and subsequently a very winnable SEC home game against Florida. Instead of building on perhaps the most encouraging quarterback performance seen in Aggieland in nearly a decade, Weigman was forced to sit it out, and Haynes King was thrust back into action despite nursing multiple injuries.

 

 

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With Conner Weigman sidelined with the flu, Haynes King returned to the starting lineup for the Maroon & White. It was that kind of Saturday for the Aggies, who stormed out of the gates offensively and went into the locker room with a 24-20 halftime lead before being outscored 21-0 the rest of the way. But if we're speaking the truth here, the reality is it has been that kind of season for Fisher and the Maroon & White, dating back to Appalachian State... Long before injuries could be cited as the primary factor in the Ags not getting it done.

The reality is that this year's Texas A&M football team simply isn't very good. In fact, this team is flat-out bad... One of the bottom four or five in the Southeastern Conference, if we're going off of actual resumes and head-to-heads.
We’re nine games into a 12-game season, and the Ags' three wins have come against Sam Houston, a sub-.500 Miami team sporting lopsided losses to Florida State, Duke and Middle Tennessee and an Arkansas squad that just dropped a home game to Liberty. Whether it's injuries, illness, inconsistency or ineptitude, if it could go wrong for the Aggies in Fisher's fifth season, it has.

The Aggies lost on Saturday in part because, for the second straight week, an opposing staff outmaneuvered the A&M brain trust at halftime. Still, the biggest reason the home team fell to Florida was the fact (yes, I said fact) that the Ags were playing without well over a dozen starters and/or key contributors. The Ags were worn down — and eventually worn out — by Florida and ended up losing a one-sided decision for just the second time this season. The other, at Mississippi State in early October, had everything to do with turnovers and unforced errors on the Aggies' part. The problem is that neither Florida nor Mississippi State are good football teams. They're average by any SEC metric... and South Carolina and 5-4 Appalachian State are something worse than that.

Entering the season, the feeling in this corner was that the Aggies were over-ranked at No. 6. Fisher's squad was simply too inexperienced along the defensive front and at quarterback and very light at linebacker. However, there was certainly enough there for A&M to field what should probably have been a top-15 team during the first half of the season and one that was playing top-10 football throughout the second half. Forget for a moment all of the reasons why they're not, and think for a second about the opportunity the program missed this fall because the Ags have fallen so far short of the mark.

The reality is that this year's Texas A&M football team simply isn't very good. In fact, this team is flat-out bad... One of the bottom four or five in the Southeastern Conference, if we're going off of actual resumes and head-to-heads.
In taking a look at the entire schedule, it's safe to say that only LSU and Ole Miss turned out to be better than expected, while teams like Miami, Arkansas, Mississippi State and even Alabama all fell well short of preseason hype. Not quite as short as our Aggies did, unfortunately, but you get the point.

Looking back on the way the schedule played out and how those games went, a good but not great A&M team probably runs the table during the first half when you factor in how things played out in Tuscaloosa as the Tide was forced to play backup quarterback Jalen Milroe. Since that game, the Ags took Ole Miss down to the final minute in Weigman's first-ever start, and South Carolina, Florida and Auburn are all unranked for a reason.

That's the long way of saying had this year's Aggies even come close to living up to the preseason billing, they're probably playing Georgia for the SEC title in a few weeks. Trust me, I understand how wild that statement reads today. However, in year five under Fisher and with what looked to everyone in college football (and I'm talking even most of those in the national media) like a very good mix of experience and tremendous young talent, the West was there for the taking. More so than at any point in A&M's 11 years in the league.

For a litany of reasons — most of which were controllable within Bright and on the field and some that certainly weren't (particularly of late) — the Aggies were unable to take advantage. But the real reason for pointing this out nine games in, following a one-sided loss to a four-loss Florida team, isn't to state the obvious.
It's timely this week, perhaps more so than ever, because of what transpired around the country on Saturday. I'm not talking about the Gators pulling away in the second half. I'm referencing what went down in places like Baton Rouge, Manhattan, South Bend and Fort Worth, among other places.

Fisher and the Aggies losing momentum in such stunning fashion is one thing, but A&M's freefall coinciding with other coaches and programs making big moves in the region and around the Southeastern Conference is another altogether.
It's vitally important that Fisher, his staff and the powers that be in Aggieland realize and fully grasp exactly how unstable the current terrain is for an outfit that was considered Alabama's greatest threat as recently as two months ago. In today's volatile college football climate, the state and trajectory of any program can change in the blink of an eye.

 

 

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Brian Kelly is 7-2 in year one at LSU and just knocked off Alabama in OT, 32-31.
Take a look around.

In year one under Brian Kelly, an LSU team that suited up something like 38 players in last year's bowl game just knocked off Alabama and is a near shoo-in to do something A&M hasn't done (play in an SEC title game). With a transfer quarterback leading the charge, excitement is off the charts in Baton Rouge, and playing in Purple & Gold is looking like a very attractive destination for Texas prospects. And that, my friends, is very much an apples-to-apples comparison when you consider the Ags and Bayou Bengals compete in the same division.

Down the road in Austin, the folks in Burnt Orange are once again putting the cart ahead of the horse, but Steve Sarkisian's Horns are 6-3 and could end up claiming a Big 12 title. They could also finish with five regular-season losses, but the reality is Texas won a top-15 road game on the same day the Ags were losing at home by three scores to an unranked Florida team and are set to host College GameDay for the second time this season. It remains to be seen what the Longhorns achieve this season, but the arrow is certainly pointing up. Texas has momentum when A&M clearly does not, and that's never a good thing.

Of course, the reason GameDay is returning has to do with the fact that the Horns are squaring off against undefeated No. 4 TCU. In year one under Sonny Dykes, the Horned Frogs have caught fire and are positioned to crash the four-team playoff field. In year one.

Another “year one” accomplishment of note occurred in South Bend on Saturday night when Marcus Freeman's Fighting Irish knocked off previously unbeaten Clemson. Why is Notre Dame relevant to this discussion, you ask? Because on the same day the Aggies were shocked at home by an overwhelming Sun Belt underdog, so were the Irish, who somehow managed to right the ship enough to take down the then-fourth-ranked Tigers in front of Touchdown Jesus.

What Kelly, Dykes and Freeman are doing in year one and even what Josh Heupel is doing in Knoxville in year two (not to mention the fact that the Ags have fallen in recent weeks to first-year Florida boss Billy Napier and second-year head man Shane Beamer at South Carolina) makes what's transpired in College Station this fall exponentially more frustrating.

However, more important than that is the fact that some of the aforementioned programs will build on their current momentum and become very real players in the conference and region in the immediate future. If, say, for example, the Vols, Horns and Bayou Bengals soar, programs like A&M and Oklahoma had better figure things out in a hurry.

 

 

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On Monday, Fisher said that Conner Weigman will be the Aggies’ starter on Saturday at Auburn.
As far as Fisher and the Aggies go, any hope for something to be excited about between now and the season's end probably rests with Weigman and the defense getting some key players back. As stated previously, this team hasn't been good all season, but recent attrition has made it virtually impossible to show the hoped-for steady improvement. What Jimbo cannot do is assume that Weigman emerging as the future at quarterback and the team simply getting healthy and more experienced is enough.

That's not even in the ballpark when it comes to what it's going to take.
The reality is that the Ags have no momentum on the field and even less on the recruiting front.

Five-star linebacker Anthony Hill‍ — probably the single-most important player in the 2023 cycle for the Ags — decommitted on Monday after spending the entire weekend in College Station and will likely land in Austin (this coming after the Aggies lost five-star linebacker and potential SEC Freshman of the Year Harold Perkins in '22), and there are rumblings that A&M's other five-star commit is set to open things up, as well.
Wins over Auburn and UMass aren't moving the needle, and even a home win over LSU to end the regular season would merely qualify as bittersweet.

What matters far more at this point in the season is Fisher deciding he's seen enough and embracing change. Texas A&M and the fifth-year head coach are locked into a long-term marriage due to an unprecedented contract. Rather than rail against Jimbo, the powers-that-be are letting him know they're willing to do whatever it takes to get things back on track and then some. I'm fully expecting Fisher to welcome the opportunity to free himself up to do more in terms of presiding over the program day-to-day (and especially on gamedays) and making a significant hire on offense. That's not the only change we'll see over the next few weeks, but it would certainly be the biggest and, in my opinion, the most impactful. A hunting man himself, Jimbo is also aware of the fact that poachers from around the country have his talented young players in their sights. As such, keeping the 2022 class together might be more important than anything the Aggies do on the recruiting front. That's especially true with the transfer portal available. A mass exodus would make it very difficult to envision Fisher and the Ags quickly digging out of their current hole.

Then again, if Jimbo makes the right moves between now and, let's just call it, Jan, 1, the talent on hand is more than good enough for an immediate reversal of fortune. Snag the right OC and keep Weigman, and the Aggies could enter next season positioned better than at any point during the current head coach's tenure.

Fisher was able to get out of Tallahassee before the walls came crumbling down at Florida State, but he's in it for the long haul this time around. Thing is, there's a lifeline waiting if he chooses to take hold. What Jimbo decides to do over the next six weeks or so is going to ultimately define not only his tenure in Aggieland but also the short-term future of A&M football.

From where I sit — and based on what I see happening all around the Aggies in the state and conference — the upcoming stretch represents Jimbo's last best chance to get it right.



Billy uses the phrase "the reality is"  FIVE TIMES.  That's right. the man who told us that Jimbo Fisher was a bargain at 90 million guaranteed dollars is now telling us what reality is.  

 

57 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Dammit I missed Franklin Pierce Day

 

Well the good news is the next 20 years there were no 2 term presidents in the aggy reverse time horizon so they will collapse from POTUS 14 to POTUS 7 pretty quickly.  Once they hit Andrew Jackson it will be some tough mudding to get back to George Washington...

Aggy is anointing Weigman as savior, but he’ll be a true freshman playing in his first road game… If he struggles, the despair will be even more palpable.

4 minutes ago, ATXhorn17 said:

Aggy is anointing Weigman as savior, but he’ll be a true freshman playing in his first road game… If he struggles, the despair will be even more palpable.

I could have sworn that Haynes King was already anointed as the savior?

7 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I could have sworn that Haynes King was already anointed as the savior?

QB2 is the savior in perpetuity.

20 minutes ago, Modessit said:
14 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

Please screenshot or copy/paste. I don't want to go there.

It's just about them opining about having Dave South talk to Jimbo and then someone suggesting that after the talk Dave South would enter the transfer portal.

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

I could have sworn that Haynes King was already anointed as the savior?

I'm not sayin', I'm just . . .

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38 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

It's just about them opining about having Dave South talk to Jimbo and then someone suggesting that after the talk Dave South would enter the transfer portal.

They should have all the dads host a BBQ and give Jimbo a pep talk.

2 hours ago, Jiggy-Z said:

Their 1939 MNC is not really disputed. Of the 16 polling/formula/computer rankings, they won 13 of the 16 including AP and what would have been the coaches poll back then.

There are recent examples of computer/formula rankings that not to be taken seriously as well.

2006 Ohio State won a couple of those over Florida, a team it lost to in the championship game.

2011 OK. ST. also won one.

In similar circumstances I would have no problem claiming that. In a way, it is probably more legit than our 1970 mnc.

You shut your whole mouth. 

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

I could have sworn that Haynes King was already anointed as the savior?

They're a multi-god cult.

16 minutes ago, SHOOTER12 said:

They're a multi-god cult.

Please don’t Sully their cult-ure.

3 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

So Dumbo confirmed CW is starting?

Still waiting to hear from Lou.

3 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Dammit I missed Franklin Pierce Day

 

 

Well then Happy Belated Franklin Pierce Day to you, buddy!

14 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

So Dumbo confirmed CW is starting?

Yes.

In response to the question of whether they should hire Deion Sanders. Maybe I'm just reading too much into this response: 

12thmanfootball said:
Could his Mojo resurrect the unresurrectable program???????

Probably not. He's in the right league, where he should be.

 

https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/3338413 

 
2 hours ago, Tex Pete said:

It is no such thing.

We were awarded our 1970 championship in exactly the manner championships were awarded at the time. The UPI always crowned champions before the bowls because bowls were only exhibition games at the time. The AP chose to award them after the bowl. Everyone played under the exact same system.

I am aware of all that.  But, but I am confident had the UPI been around back then, they too would have "awarded" aggy the mnc prior to their bowl game, and then they won their bowl game and we did not and thus also garnered the AP mnc.

Winning the bowl is why the the 1969 and 1963 teams also garnered the AP title while the 1970 team shared it with Nebraska, which we would not have done had we won the bowl game.

Winning the bowl game is just better.  I can't believe I'm having to explain that.  I also can't believe I'm having to defend aggy 1939 mnc.  Crazy times.

7 minutes ago, Crapinon said:

In response to the question of whether they should hire Deion Sanders. Maybe I'm just reading too much into this response: 

12thmanfootball said:
Could his Mojo resurrect the unresurrectable program???????

Probably not. He's in the right league, where he should be.

 

https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/3338413 

 

sounds very probably racist

1 hour ago, Pimphand said:

It's just about them opining about having Dave South talk to Jimbo and then someone suggesting that after the talk Dave South would enter the transfer portal.

 

1 hour ago, Scholz said:

They should have all the dads host a BBQ and give Jimbo a pep talk.

Maybe they should throw one of their famous pool parties for the coaches. 

14 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

I am aware of all that.  But, but I am confident had the UPI been around back then, they too would have "awarded" aggy the mnc prior to their bowl game, and then they won their bowl game and we did not and thus also garnered the AP mnc.

Winning the bowl is why the the 1969 and 1963 teams also garnered the AP title while the 1970 team shared it with Nebraska, which we would not have done had we won the bowl game.

Winning the bowl game is just better.  I can't believe I'm having to explain that.  I also can't believe I'm having to defend aggy 1939 mnc.  Crazy times.

Bullshit. Championships were awarded at the time. There were two different methods, and both were accepted as legitimate. Usually, the teams lined up. They did not always. It isn't like a computer championship that was awarded years later or an organization that did not exist at the time. 

Not all teams went to bowl games. There were very few. I can't believe I have to explain it to you, but some people are just rock-headed. Like that we won or don't. We won. The trophy is in the case. Fuck off.

2 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

Bullshit. Championships were awarded at the time. There were two different methods, and both were accepted as legitimate. Usually, the teams lined up. They did not always. It isn't like a computer championship that was awarded years later or an organization that did not exist at the time. 

Not all teams went to bowl games. There were very few. I can't believe I have to explain it to you, but some people are just rock-headed. Like that we won or don't. We won. The trophy is in the case. Fuck off.

I don't disagree, but winning both is better than winning just one.  We went to a bowl game and we lost and aggy went to a bowl game and won.

16 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Maybe they should throw one of their famous pool parties for the coaches. 

Maybe Bilbo just needs to go bang KKL and prove to the universe that he really means business at all costs.

13 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

I don't disagree, but winning both is better than winning just one. 

No kidding. And we still won a MNC (why that term exists) and the only one they won was in 1939. The system sucked, which is why everyone hated it but the Big 10 and Pac 12. We still won by the rules at the time.

14 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

Maybe Bilbo just needs to go bang KKL and prove to the universe that he really means business at all costs.

Do you think he hasn't?

32 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Maybe they should throw one of their famous pool parties for the coaches. 

Terry Price Butter BBQ Pitmaster

 

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2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not sayin', I'm just . . .

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Can he watch as intently as Casey? I say ours is better. He actually beat our rivals.

1 hour ago, Jiggy-Z said:

I am aware of all that.  But, but I am confident had the UPI been around back then, they too would have "awarded" aggy the mnc prior to their bowl game, and then they won their bowl game and we did not and thus also garnered the AP mnc.

Winning the bowl is why the the 1969 and 1963 teams also garnered the AP title while the 1970 team shared it with Nebraska, which we would not have done had we won the bowl game.

Winning the bowl game is just better.  I can't believe I'm having to explain that.  I also can't believe I'm having to defend aggy 1939 mnc.  Crazy times.

1963 AP championship was awarded before the bowl game.  AP awarded championship prior to bowl game until 1968 except for 1965.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP_Trophy

Just noticed that Randolph has 3066 posts and over 2000 are in this thread.

4 hours ago, Pimphand said:

Well the good news is the next 20 years there were no 2 term presidents in the aggy reverse time horizon so they will collapse from POTUS 14 to POTUS 7 pretty quickly.  Once they hit Andrew Jackson it will be some tough mudding to get back to George Washington...

Keep doubting us ‘Sip, we’ll show you!

10 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Just noticed that Randolph has 3066 posts and over 2000 are in this thread.

Would have guessed a higher ratio than that, to be honest. 

1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

Would have guessed a higher ratio than that, to be honest. 

He is the this thread's version of tx 3 putt to the Astros thread(s).

15 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Just noticed that Randolph has 3066 posts and over 2000 are in this thread.

He likes to tell us about a&m

12 minutes ago, TotallyLegit said:

He likes to tell us about a&m

In no fewer than 5,000 words.

3 hours ago, Scholz said:

They should have all the dads host a BBQ and give Jimbo a pep talk.

Is that aggy code for "a bunch of dudes banging Jimbo's wife, while he watches and masturbates in the closet?"  Either way, it should lift his spirits.

10 hours ago, TonyTexas said:

These never get old. SIAP

 

The rat on stilts broke me down.

2 hours ago, Pimphand said:

He is the this thread's version of tx 3 putt to the Astros thread(s).

He endlessly posts tweets that belong in some other thread?

4 hours ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Maybe they should throw one of their famous Pool parties for the coaches. 

fixed to show proper reverence to this turdition.   

8 hours ago, shakahorn said:

Got dealt a 20, and split the 10's.

No, with that crootin’ class they were dealt a 20, and then asked dealer to hit. 

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