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3 minutes ago, The Dog said:

You left out a few things:

E. Jean Carroll Judgment #1 on appeal and cannot collect because he put up $5.3 million to prevent judgment

E. Jean Carroll Judgment #2 on appeal and CAN collect because he can't afford the bond

NY AG Civil Judgment on appeal and can collect because he can't afford the bond

Business partners in TRUTH are suing him because he's trying to screw them - so now he can't get that windfall until that is settled

Trump PACs are running out of money to pay his legal bills 

SCOTUS ruled that civil cases against Trump as president can proceed and he is not immune from them

Not legal but Trump trying to completely take over GOP to steal the money for his legal bills.

That dude should definitely run for President of the United States.

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A Trumper yesterday, on all of his legal issues: "Eh, they're just coming after him now". Just waived all of it away.

"All of it? The rape stuff, the coup, stealing classified documents, hush money to a porn star, fraud.... all of it?"

"Yep."

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Just talked to my dad, who was watching the Fani Willis stuff. Talked a moment about Trump.

"He's got the best lawyers in the world."

"Eh, I don't know about that."

"Well, he's not in jail is he?"

...kinda hard to argue that point, even though I don't think it's due to his lawyers.

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4 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Just talked to my dad, who was watching the Fani Willis stuff. Talked a moment about Trump.

"He's got the best lawyers in the world."

"Eh, I don't know about that."

"Well, he's not in jail is he?"

...kinda hard to argue that point, even though I don't think it's due to his lawyers.

You should have said "So if he's got the best lawyers in the world, and he's still convicted, does that mean you believe he was guilty?"

I'm sure he'll say No, but on the off chance you says yes you can also remind him he's a convicted Rapist. 

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Now seems a good time to mention that Rick Beato has, at this point, interviewed each member of The Police.

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

A Trumper yesterday, on all of his legal issues: "Eh, they're just coming after him now". Just waived all of it away.

"All of it? The rape stuff, the coup, stealing classified documents, hush money to a porn star, fraud.... all of it?"

"Yep."

It's like trying to point out to the "nothing will happen to him" crowd that things have happened and continue to happen. In the sense that both are being very selective in which facts they believe, to the point where they're no longer engaged with reality.

that's right, fuckers, I'm talking trash about you

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4 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Now seems a good time to mention that Rick Beato has, at this point, interviewed each member of The Police.

It's like trying to point out to the "nothing will happen to him" crowd that things have happened and continue to happen. In the sense that both are being very selective in which facts they believe, to the point where they're no longer engaged with reality.

that's right, fuckers, I'm talking trash about you

 

But until he actually pays a dime or gets a property seized or is remanded for house arrest or something...he hasn't paid.  That's the thing that MAGA keeps clinging to; that for everything they believe is "drummed up" on Trump, he hasn't spent a day in jail or whatever.  They see him still doing rallies, on Fox, hanging out at the border, whatever.  He's a free man.

 

 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Now seems a good time to mention that Rick Beato has, at this point, interviewed each member of The Police.

It's like trying to point out to the "nothing will happen to him" crowd that things have happened and continue to happen. In the sense that both are being very selective in which facts they believe, to the point where they're no longer engaged with reality.

that's right, fuckers, I'm talking trash about you

Me: "He owes over half a billion in fines. With a B. Half a billion dollars." 

"Eh" (waives it away with his hand, as if that is just something that happens from time to time)

I was treated a lot of "Biden is senile" though, so that was nice.

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12 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Now seems a good time to mention that Rick Beato has, at this point, interviewed each member of The Police.

It's like trying to point out to the "nothing will happen to him" crowd that things have happened and continue to happen. In the sense that both are being very selective in which facts they believe, to the point where they're no longer engaged with reality.

that's right, fuckers, I'm talking trash about you

Honest question that I'm sure you've answered elsewhere: what do you think happens to all of this stuff is he his elected President?

I don't think he will, and I want desperately to share your optimism of "real" (not just financial) punishment coming his way. But what if he wins this shit again?

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1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

Honest question that I'm sure you've answered elsewhere: what do you think happens to all of this stuff is he his elected President?

I don't think he will, and I want desperately to share your optimism of "real" (not just financial) punishment coming his way. But what if he wins this shit again?

The great experiment is over.

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Dotard's attorney today (I'm honestly not sure which trial this was in reference to, as I'm not Rain Man and can't keep track of them all): "There's no reason this trial can't start in late November."

No reason huh. Just can't think of any possible reason. 

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9 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Honest question that I'm sure you've answered elsewhere: what do you think happens to all of this stuff is he his elected President?

I don't think he will, and I want desperately to share your optimism of "real" (not just financial) punishment coming his way. But what if he wins this shit again?

Then we all will  be declared enemies of the Reich.  I will have this website scrubbed under some kinda bullshit trademark report to UT and the servers burned to the ground .  We will all donate $37 to his PAC and smile while doing it.  I’ll revert to using my real name in public life and start attending GOP rallies.  When he dies, we will forget every stupid thing his worshippers ever said.  But if he stays alive and wins, I assure you they won’t forget about us.  
 

we’re lucky though. We can blend in and assimilate.  Many of our fellow humans won’t be as fortunate.  I can bug out with my family to Portugal or Costa Rica in one business week.  But millions will be left behind to suffer his wrath.  Even if he loses or dies, 25mm of his cult won’t accept it.  We have to fix it so they think they’re each other to blame and kill one another.  That’s where we come in. 

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56 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Now seems a good time to mention that Rick Beato has, at this point, interviewed each member of The Police.

39 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Honest question that I'm sure you've answered elsewhere: what do you think happens to all of this stuff is he his elected President?

Maybe he can get The Police to reunite?

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1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

Honest question that I'm sure you've answered elsewhere: what do you think happens to all of this stuff is he his elected President?

I don't think he will, and I want desperately to share your optimism of "real" (not just financial) punishment coming his way. But what if he wins this shit again?

I dunno about you, but I'm moving to Australia.

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46 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Maybe he can get The Police to reunite?

he's not cool or smart enough to like The Police

he probably thinks "every breath you take" is a love song

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1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

Honest question that I'm sure you've answered elsewhere: what do you think happens to all of this stuff is he his elected President?

I don't think he will, and I want desperately to share your optimism of "real" (not just financial) punishment coming his way. But what if he wins this shit again?

Actually, to expand on my previous answer, I think we're fucked if the Republican party gains control of ANYTHING at the federal level. Even if, say, Nikki Haley wins. Because they'll just pardon and then hand-deliver to Putin's lapdog everything he wants.

Even if we fine him into the poor house now and throw him in jail, Republican victory means he gets back in business and out of jail.

Maybe that's why I'm not worried about the cases being delayed. It's the election that matters.

And it's the election, above all, that I'm bullish about. I don't WANT Haley to get the nomination; that gives the Republicans a chance. Trump, on the other hand, sinks the GOP. Permanently. They can't get rid of his strench any more. He's bankrupting them financially, morally, and politically.

I'd feel bad about it if my politics hadn't slowly slid left over the past three decades.

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5 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Actually, to expand on my previous answer, I think we're fucked if the Republican party gains control of ANYTHING at the federal level. Even if, say, Nikki Haley wins. Because they'll just pardon and then hand-deliver to Putin's lapdog everything he wants.

Even if we fine him into the poor house now and throw him in jail, Republican victory means he gets back in business and out of jail.

Maybe that's why I'm not worried about the cases being delayed. It's the election that matters.

And it's the election, above all, that I'm bullish about. I don't WANT Haley to get the nomination; that gives the Republicans a chance. Trump, on the other hand, sinks the GOP. Permanently. They can't get rid of his strench any more. He's bankrupting them financially, morally, and politically.

I'd feel bad about it if my politics hadn't slowly slid left over the past three decades.

He's going to get the nomination but Haley staying in the race and getting 30-45% of the votes along the way will weigh on his ego.  The true weakness of a sociopathic narcissist personality disorder

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45 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

He's going to get the nomination but Haley staying in the race and getting 30-45% of the votes along the way will weigh on his ego.  The true weakness of a sociopathic narcissist personality disorder

Oh yeah. Haley's going to steal some of the vote away, and her attacks on him weaken him. Nobody's won the presidency with a meaningful challenger in the primary, and she's meaningful enough.

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That has to be an awkward conversation with the Mar-a-Lago concierge for Victor's translator, "Um, Mr. Orban would like to inquire as to the Forint-to-Dollar cash situation is here at the property...Kthanxbai."

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On 3/1/2024 at 2:19 PM, The Dog said:

You left out a few things:

E. Jean Carroll Judgment #1 on appeal and cannot collect because he put up $5.3 million to prevent judgment

E. Jean Carroll Judgment #2 on appeal and CAN collect because he can't afford the bond

NY AG Civil Judgment on appeal and can collect because he can't afford the bond

Business partners in TRUTH are suing him because he's trying to screw them - so now he can't get that windfall until that is settled

Trump PACs are running out of money to pay his legal bills 

SCOTUS ruled that civil cases against Trump as president can proceed and he is not immune from them

Not legal but Trump trying to completely take over GOP to steal the money for his legal bills.

Should we take bets on when Russia/Saudi/Turkey pay his debts?

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8 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Yeah um we got any laws on the books about electing a president who is hundreds of millions of dollars in debt to some of the world's worst people? 

I didn't know he owed the NFL owners money as well.  

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17 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Should we take bets on when Russia/Saudi/Turkey pay his debts?

Well, Saudi handed over $1B to Jared because he's an investment guru, so . . .

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16 hours ago, Red Five said:

Yeah um we got any laws on the books about electing a president who is hundreds of millions of dollars in debt to some of the world's worst people? 

Too obvious. 

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24 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

And previously unneeded. 

True. It's so obviously foul that nobody anticipated it. It's obvious, as you surely know, that he should be barred from office. To me, it's obvious that he should be incarcerated awaiting trial due to the profoundly dangerous crimes he's accused of which we either watched live on TV (Jan. 6), saw videotapes (Trump's chandeliered bathroom storage facility for highly classified documents), or audio tape (coercing a Georgia state official in hopes of altering legal election results).

Obvious counts for nothing in the face of the most odious internal threats to the US. I don't know if anybody's noticed, but our legal system is working a little slow considering what we know. 

Again, I'm not writing anything you don't know. I just remain agog and jabber about it.

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53 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

And previously unneeded. 

Ah well I guess that means we just lay back and enjoy it as trumpco grabs lady justice by the pussy? Trumps entire gambit (and of pretty much every demagogue fascist) is to do things so beyond the pale that it stuns his opposition into inaction. There's more squabbling over the right way to respond than there is actually dealing with the motherfucking goddamn fascists in our government. 

Our lack of imagination combined with the lack of will to punish a member of our oligarch class is how we end up with our mess. The courts have completely been mangled by republican fuckery and our highest court is making overt moves to delay any type of trial until after the election. Where he can of course do the exact same shit as last time because there have BEEN ZERO MEANINGFUL FUCKING CONSEQUENCES FOR HIM!

Motherfucker is about to start getting classified briefings again, it's just stupid at this point. 

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Well previously, a candidate for any significant office would have been raked over the coals for owing debt to foreign nations and similar entanglements and likely distrusted and not elected. 

But here we are on the fact free time line where trump crimes are made up and biden crimes are real. 

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4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Ah well I guess that means we just lay back and enjoy it as trumpco grabs lady justice by the pussy? Trumps entire gambit (and of pretty much every demagogue fascist) is to do things so beyond the pale that it stuns his opposition into inaction. There's more squabbling over the right way to respond than there is actually dealing with the motherfucking goddamn fascists in our government. 

Our lack of imagination combined with the lack of will to punish a member of our oligarch class is how we end up with our mess. The courts have completely been mangled by republican fuckery and our highest court is making overt moves to delay any type of trial until after the election. Where he can of course do the exact same shit as last time because there have BEEN ZERO MEANINGFUL FUCKING CONSEQUENCES FOR HIM!

Motherfucker is about to start getting classified briefings again, it's just stupid at this point. 

What everyone is skipping is that societies and cultures have LONG had a script for how to handle people who would upend the system by opting out of/doing an end-around on the rule of law.  It's a very simple script.  It has been written in blood, time and time again.

The rule of law is, ultimately, ill-equipped to handle bad actors with sufficient power who simply say "naaah, don't think I'm gonna buy into that 'follow the law' shit."  That means that the players have opted out of the rule of law, and the solutions it can impose.  That's okay.  That opt-out simply means an opt-in to the alternative system.

Here is how THAT system works:

mussolini_esso_station_2.jpg?w=1084

That simple, binary choice: if you opt out of the rule of law, then you have necessarily opted in to rule of the gun, is the very fucking thing that many of us (ledge dwellers) have been sounding the alarm about for pushing 10 years now.  That's the entire point.  We're busy arguing whether the penalty should be clipping or unsportsmanlike conduct on the dude who just pulled a gun on the field and shot the opposing RB.  The system of rules and yellow flags and 15 yard penalties is not equipped to handle a LB who pulls a gun and shoots opposing players.  The only system that is equipped to handle that is a system of "meet lawlessness with lawlessness."  Which is, again, why much of our alarmist shouting has been at the fucking GQP voters who are CHOOSING this.  "Please don't choose this path, this is how it fucking ends, every fucking time!" has fallen on deaf ears.  We apparently are intent on fully FA, so we can fully FO.

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5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

We're busy arguing whether the penalty should be clipping or unsportsmanlike conduct on the dude who just pulled a gun on the field and shot the opposing RB.  The system of rules and yellow flags and 15 yard penalties is not equipped to handle a LB who pulls a gun and shoots opposing players. 

"After the trophy presentation, we're going to be taking a long hard look at what happened on the field today. Ideally, we will have a punishment to dole out approximately four years from now."

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9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well previously, a candidate for any significant office would have been raked over the coals for owing debt to foreign nations and similar entanglements and likely distrusted and not elected. 

But here we are on the fact free time line where trump crimes are made up and biden crimes are real. 

Thanks for the reminder. Seriously.

It's the electorate. There is nothing secret about Trump's character or his vile actions.

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2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

"After the trophy presentation, we're going to be taking a long hard look at what happened on the field today. Ideally, we will have a punishment to dole out approximately four years from now."

Correct.

That's why the optimum strategy when subjected to violence outside/above the law is to respond with immediate and brutal counter-violence.

We should have mowed down insurrectionists with belt-fed .50 cals, and had law enforcement storm the White House to shut his ass down.  But humans are loathe to think creatively, and to do what is oh-so-distasteful.  Because the truth is that once one side puts you in a position where the only rational response is counter-violence, then everyone has already lost.  All it takes is for one side to shit in the punch bowl, then the punch is turned into shit punch for everyone.

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Why aren’t they mad that his debt isn’t to the worst Americans?  That’s not America first.  Then again, they are slaves to an Australian family’s propaganda channel and many have Austrian pistols concealed on their personages, so maybe that whole America first rally cry is farcical anyhow. 

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

What everyone is skipping is that societies and cultures have LONG had a script for how to handle people who would upend the system by opting out of/doing an end-around on the rule of law.  It's a very simple script.  It has been written in blood, time and time again.

The rule of law is, ultimately, ill-equipped to handle bad actors with sufficient power who simply say "naaah, don't think I'm gonna buy into that 'follow the law' shit."  That means that the players have opted out of the rule of law, and the solutions it can impose.  That's okay.  That opt-out simply means an opt-in to the alternative system.

Here is how THAT system works:

mussolini_esso_station_2.jpg?w=1084

That simple, binary choice: if you opt out of the rule of law, then you have necessarily opted in to rule of the gun, is the very fucking thing that many of us (ledge dwellers) have been sounding the alarm about for pushing 10 years now.  That's the entire point.  We're busy arguing whether the penalty should be clipping or unsportsmanlike conduct on the dude who just pulled a gun on the field and shot the opposing RB.  The system of rules and yellow flags and 15 yard penalties is not equipped to handle a LB who pulls a gun and shoots opposing players.  The only system that is equipped to handle that is a system of "meet lawlessness with lawlessness."  Which is, again, why much of our alarmist shouting has been at the fucking GQP voters who are CHOOSING this.  "Please don't choose this path, this is how it fucking ends, every fucking time!" has fallen on deaf ears.  We apparently are intent on fully FA, so we can fully FO.

You and your Esso station fascination.    

 

Hey, that would make a great band name...    Esso Station Fascination.    Can't decide if it should be an emo goth punk band or an edm dark wave rave DJ.

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21 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Should we take bets on when Russia/Saudi/Turkey pay his debts?

Elon was in Trump's neck of the woods this weekend.  I still think he's the one that will put up the money.

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18 minutes ago, bolverk said:

“Enjoy the history you have made possible today,” Mr. Troupis wrote in a text message to Mr. Chesebro at 11:04 a.m. that day.

Oops. "You will go down in history as the man responsible for 1/6! Mr. January Sixth is what I bet they'll call you in the history books!" 

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